9/19/18 E56 Synergy and Stacks: Next Level Ketosis with bioStak

Synergy, stacks and anniversaries! As you may have heard, Eric has been developing a super stack for the last number of years called bioStak. But, his research and development have been anything but typical. Today he talks about the entire process and what makes bioStak different (and coincidentally, what makes bioStak so effective!)

Happy 1-year anniversary!

Where did bioStak come from?

How Eric has used bioStak to avoid a double-knee replacement...

The experiments! (How Eric lured his victims)

Chad shares his past experience with supplements.

Why has Eric done things so differently?

What is the next epidemic Eric predicts?

How sourcing companies told Eric he was crazy...

And all the benefits people have experienced taking bioStak.

Experience the bioStak difference for yourself! Go to biostak.com (that's biostak with no "c") and make sure you get your bottle!

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Chad: 00:00 This podcast is going live on our one year anniversary. 

Eric: 00:05 Oh, that's right. That is right. September buddy. Happy. It's been a year. 

Chad: 00:12 We've been podcasting Life In Ketosis for one year today 

Eric: 00:16 and people put up with my voice for one year? That's awesome. 

Chad: 00:20 You don't know that. We just might have high turnover. 

Eric: 00:24 I have you to offset that. 

Chad: 00:30 That's really cool. I think that's something to be celebrated. That's fun. They say a journey begins in a single step or in my case, one less piece of bread. 

Chad: 00:44 My name is Chad and I'm your test subject. I have sought out an expert in the field of nutrition and fitness who I hoped it helped me feel better. They call him the biohacker, but I call him Eric. I hope you'll join me on a path of leads you to optimal fitness as we live our lives in ketosis. This is the Life In Ketosis podcast, a biohackers guide to optimal body performance. 

Chad: 01:17 Hello everyone. My name is Chad and this is my quest to achieving optimal body performance with the man that can get me there. The biohacker himself. Mr Eric Bischof. Every episode, Eric gives us his crazy intense sciencey knowledge and I break it down with my regular non crazy guy take as we explore the principles of ketogenics and Kpr performance training, whether you're just looking for a way to feel better or if you're an elite athlete looking for that edge. We're here to help. And today we're talking about synergy. Now, let me explain. We, uh, I know a couple of weeks ago we had a episode on, uh, what, what ingredient in the, in the, in BioStak did we talk about Eric? 

Eric: 02:03 Astaxanthin. Astaxanthin, Broccoli sprouts, sulforaphane so forth. 

Chad: 02:09 eah, yeah, yeah, yeah. sulforaphane. So in those episodes I introduced kind of a series that we're doing where we're, we're, we're talking specifically about each ingredient. And then I said at the end of all of that, we're going to talk about how all of those ingredients work together. Well, now that the stack is available to people and people are starting to take it and loving the results, but now they're curious, Eric, what is in this and why is it working so insane? It makes more sense to us at this point, or at least you, Eric, because you can answer a lot of people's questions with one episode. Um, and, and you and I can talk about it and that can be a resource for everybody is instead of going after one ingredient at a time, at this point, it makes more sense for us to do the, the, to talk about all the ingredients and why they are synergistic, why they work together. Um, and so that's what we're going to do today. But before we jump in, Eric, how are you? 

Eric: 03:11 Good. Good. How are you doing? I'm great. I'm still Washington, Oregon and Washington. 

Chad: 03:20 The weather turned. The weather turned to this week and I've never seen so much rain in my life. 

Eric: 03:27 I lived there 13 years in Oregon and I told you it's, it's beautiful when it's sunny but that rains coming and uh, I, I, I couldn't do it. I lived, I had to get out. I had. 

Chad: 03:39 So those of you that are, are, are, are pacific north, Westerners, hats off to you. This rain is no joke.

Eric: 03:48 It's a functional rain. Now remember you can golf in it, work in his shop and it play in it. It's functional. They, yeah. 

Chad: 03:55 Yeah. Maybe if you're a native Pacific northwest sterner I think you probably.

Eric: 03:59 I know when I first moved them, like I have an umbrella but nobody else does. This is weird. I learned that and then I remember people invited me to golf. I'm like, it's raining, they're like so. Serious? And the only thing I like to do in the rain got to go on. Right? Yeah, it does. It does. And I learned it. I learned to make it functional and it. 

Chad: 04:29 Sorry I cut you off. What did you say? What's the one thing you like to do in the rain? 

Eric: 04:33 Run Training. Not Riding the bike, but I liked. I like running in the rain, but no, I learned to become a let it become functional. And just, you just have to, you have no choice, you know, you don't have a choice. But it was just the sunshine. I really suffered from the sunshine not, not being there. And it's beautiful. I love Oregon except for that. I would live there still, but nope, Utah is sunny. That's why I like it. 

Chad: 05:01 Yeah. Yeah. There's a. especially in the summertime, there's probably only four or five really overcast days. 

Eric: 05:09 Yeah. And I missed the rain. I lived in Ohio 20 years and I miss those storms. I do. I do like a good, a good thunderstorm, but for sure I'll take the sunshine. 

Chad: 05:21 Midwest has beautiful thunderstorms. Understand. Well, let's, uh, let's jump into. Let's jump into our topic. I'm excited. I was actually when we, when we proposed the idea of this series, I was really excited for this episode, so I wanted to get through the other ones. Not in a bad way, but I wanted to get through those ones so that we can talk about this one because I think this fascinating, but we're going to get there early. So let's talk about this. Let's first, let's start off what you and I have talked about how this, the stack has been in development for three years, but we've never really talked about how that looked for you and what that origin was and how you tested it and all that kind of stuff. Can you just start to give us a little bit of a background, I mean, last couple episodes ago or, or maybe it wasn't even last week, you talked about why you want it to figure this out, but let's talk about some of those routes. Where did this come from? 

Eric: 06:24 Um, it's really comes from a, just over that many years, you know, we're always approached by all these supplements. We, you know, all these miracle cures and everything from, you know, magazines. And it really started getting me confused because when I went down the path of searching all this out, I was trying to stay on top of what the latest is, what's the newest thing out there, and researched all the clinical studies. And so it really just, it, it was, it was really overwhelming. And I then I, I was always fighting inflammation. Okay. And, and the inflammation, the antioxidant, that route it kicked in, you know, uh, during my mother's time and during my daughter's time. And then my daughter is 2010 is I was training for an ironman and I, I went to the orthopedic surgeon because my knees were just really, really having some trouble and I had two meniscus repair surgeries before that and I had x rays and everything done. 

Eric: 07:31 I needed two total knee replacement. So I went to the orthopedic surgeon and this is one world renowned. He's, he's one of, he's really, really good. He's actually a professional team, a orthopedic surgeon, chief surgeon. And he, he diagnosed me, looked at everything you know and said, look, Eric, I'm telling you, you've got two total knee replacements that need to be done. And I know you're not going to stop doing what you're doing. You're doing your ironman marathons, you're in severe pain, you have pain obviously. And he said, I'm going to tell you right now, in two years, within two years, he says, you will come crawling back in here. And I mentioned this before on your knees begging me to replace both your knees. He said you can only take the pain so long. Nobody. And he goes, I'm not telling you to stop because you do what you what you want to do and I can't tell you you're doing worse by inflicting all this training on there because it's all theory. We don't really know. But he said I'd be back. And I said, look, I've come this far and I'm keeping the inflammation at bay. And that's the search. So when I left his office, it really was. I wasn't gonna get my knees replaced. I knew I had to just go after it as deep as I can to find what's going to reduce the inflammation, be able to keep the pain threshold down low enough that I still would get up and train and workout and go through it. So that really started in about 2010. So that's when I got into, into the supplement search and you know, fish oil and a bunch of different things I just went after. So that's where I search was to say, Hey, I'm going to find something that's going to work and I obviously use myself as a metric because I could train, have so much pain, and then try to supplement experiment and then train because I had just, my training was on a big schedule and I could tell by how much pain I had during the night when I slept, when I woke up, how long did it take for me to warm up, try and get rid of the pain. I had no Ibuprofens, I took no, no pain pills and never do, never, never. And so my metric was my nutrition and what supplements I was testing that was. And so that's, that began the search to end up 

Chad: 09:47 In your mind in your mind, you were obviously taking a lot of supplements when you decided to start experimenting with your own stack. Why weren't these supplements measuring up? What, what were they, what were they and what are they missing? Because like, I don't even want to get started on gnc that just the whole industry of fillers and um, the, the borderline dishonesty and all of that kind of stuff is, is just a nightmare. But what, what were they lacking? What were they missing?

Eric: 10:19 And that's what I was trying to figure out is okay, now when you look at a supplement, sometimes they cover a to z. okay. Uh, it's going to do everything for you. All right? So I started, I have probably over 100 and something supplements from a arena to know him be our car and Nassa tall. I've literally been a l Dopa, Coleen and the list goes on. I mean, I and I did amino acids. I did new tropics. I did creatine, I did everything and I started getting volunteers, guinea pigs, let's say. And so I would make all these little baggie stacks and the hardest part to get a volunteer. Uh, somebody. And I had plenty because I, you know, the gym members in different and, and relatives. My wife was one of my biggest Guinea pigs and I had a bunch. So I'd mail it out tom and say, hey, this is what I just marked the stacks and um, and so I, I had numbers because what was in each stack, I had an a numerical evaluation and referenced basically. And so that's basically a blind test. It was a blind test and they didn't know they were nice enough. They'd say, hey, why is it, why is this one? And the hardest part was it was because of curcumin because it's, it's so bright orange. So they're like, Whoa, okay. And didn't even know as Curcumin, but then all of a sudden, they go, why don't I have any orange stuff in it? Well, I took it out like vitamin B 12 because it's super pink and then orange from a curcumin, it was the hardest thing to hide. But anyway, so I did always placebos and then I would send them placebo and it would be all white and I used leucine and some amino acids that we're going to do anything, you know, basically, uh, just a placebo. 

Eric: 12:04 And so I just started keeping a journals and keeping a lot of, you know, scribble notes on, on what their metrics were, what they're feeling, and my wife constantly, you know, she was, you know, the closest one to me so I could always do a placebo and see how she feels and watch her mood. She anything mood and energy. So everybody has metrics to compare, you know, to, you know, you know anything. They're taking a pain pill, obviously you want reduction in pain. All right. But with supplements, I mean I used everyone that had different metrics of inflammation, pain. I had fibromyalgia people, I had people had chronic fatigue, blood sugar issues, blood pressure, sleep, anxiety, depression. So I had a lot of metrics, you know, stress and things to choose from, different people. So I was trying to get feedback on all these different metrics because usually like if I ask you, Chad, give me a metric that you're most bothered by, something that you feel. If you take something you, you want to alleviate it.

Chad: 13:08 I know know me, you know me pretty well. What would you guess it would be? 

Eric: 13:12 Cognitive. Cognitive. I'm sorry, go ahead. 

Chad: 13:17 I think I actually think number one would be energy. Energy. Yeah. Because then the second would be cognitive. 

Eric: 13:24 Yeah. I was just going to go energy. I said it actually because I knew those two. It was your mid afternoon, but it was your cognitive that you felt like was dying. The cognitive energy. Okay. And so, and, and I have people that it was stress and autoimmune, rheumatoid arthritis and so I had different people, you know, severe depression and so I was always sending different stacks and say, how do you, you know, give me. I didn't ask, I just wanted their feedback. I wasn't fishing for anything. Okay. I just wanted to know how they felt and, and the testimonials that, that, that I got from, from all these different people. It just kept leading me down to zero in on what looked like the best synergy of what supplements nutrition to mix together to make something work. Sure. You know, we don't have the answer for everything, but I just using my metric and other people's metric, I was able to say, right, and that's why it was three years of just, of just jostling and tweaking and changing and really working the, the milligrams and trying to get the right proportion and so it. And it was amazing because some things I didn't think that I was going to get the perk from it, you know, like, like some of the results from the people. But I got people said that it strength, that was a surprise because they're actually increasing their strength, their muscle recovery. We got energy, course inflammation, we got pain, we've got joint issues. I got one was neuropathy, which is a type one diabetic and he, he said, I don't believe this. I'm the pain in my feet is gone. And so he himself went off and then he went back on to test it and the pain came back. He went back on the pain left. I got in lower insulin needs them with diabetics. People just dropping off their prescription drugs little by little and cognitive. Cognitive is big joint pain and all. I had one couldn't believe one of our, our latest ones that did one of the testimonials, she just said a and a phone conversation. She goes, I wish I would have added more because I've been on fire the last two days. My brain cognitive at work than those exact words she said had been on fire and she wished she could have added that to her testimony already. So it's exciting. 

Chad: 15:55 We're getting a lot of that. I wish I had this 15 years ago, which is unfortunate, but they have it now.

Eric: 16:04 I, I really want to send them a bottle to Dr. um, I won't say his name, but I really like to send him a bottle and say, hey, eight years I'm still going. But when I do, I'm not saying I will not get my knees replaced, but I'm still competing. I'm doing spartans, I'm training for races right now. I'm doing trail runs. And if you looked at my knees and I've said before, they're totally deformed. The bone spurs and everything else are really coming out everywhere. But I still am training, so I'm going to send them a bottle and say, here, this is what's keeping me going. 

Chad: 16:41 So let me, let me ask you this. Um, I don't, I've been involved in one other, um, I'm just going to call it supplement company and their launch. Um, well I've actually been involved in a couple but in depth, really in depth with one and um, it's, it's interesting. It was, it was quite interesting to me to be involved in that, in that process with a couple of other companies and specifically this one because it became very apparent to me very, very, very quick that most of the supplements that are out there are just, they're just repackaging the same thing over and over and over again. And the development, um, they, they know the safe products, they know the safe ingredients and it's all a marketing scheme or I shouldn't say scheme. It's not a scheme, it's a marketing game, right? So if we can repackage this in an interesting way, we don't have to go through any testing because we already know these ingredients are safe. So we're not going to test the results on anybody, we're just going to do some, some fun marketing tricks to repackage this thing and get it out there and make a quick buck before we need to repackage it again. And Yeah, I'm not saying I'm not, I'm not at all saying they've been dishonest or, or anything like that, but I am saying it's a very you went through a very, very different process. It was somewhat painstaking. It took a lot of time. It took a lot of effort. It took a lot of money on your part to purchase the supplements and get them out to your test groups. Um, but I want to know why. Why did you, why did you take a different road in developing this than most are taking when it's just get it developed I mean, I'm talking weeks, some people are coming up with these formulas in a week to two weeks getting a packaging done and it's to market in three months if you know what you're doing on the bottling side and the sourcing side. And so that, to me, just doesn't, you're not, you're not going to change anybody's life with that. Like why did you take a different road? 

Eric: 19:02 Well, you know what, when I first started this quest, um, and you know, bio fit and bio coaching was later adapted. But my original name of what in my mind because I was searching for the right stack, was just going to be called the real deal. That's the original name of this. But I got voted out. But anyway, that's an in um, so what got me on it when you looked at other labels all the time, it's just a duplicate of each other, but we're a little bit of tweaks. Okay. So I didn't, I used, I didn't pay attention. I didn't go into GNC. I didn't do anything like that. I said, no, this has to come from ground route just from ground floor. Okay. Let me test all these straight powders. These were straight powders from powder city and other places that I just had an abundance of. And I just said, I'm just gonna. And I had new tropics and everything. I said, I'm just going to be the Guinea pig and and recruit a bunch of people and start working it. And so I said, well, what if I, you know, and we all know we were back to that Mitochondria dysfunction. We're trying to make the mitochondria more functional by doing so, you know, I've talked about over and over, reactive oxygen species, reactive nitrogen species, free radicals, antioxidants, anti-inflammatory. So of course I'm dealing with nutrition that's going to help with that and assist it, but I needed to figure out which one's lacking here. Okay, let's say one's a phase one d activator or another one's a face to detoxifier. Okay. All right. And so, uh, or, or an activator. And so I'm working with nerf two with the nucleus. Okay. Just say, Hey, can I turn more of the antioxidant system from within or how do I bring in antioxidants from the outside, exogenous that are going to go, you know, out of the cell in the cellular membrane, inside the Cytoplasm, inside the Mitochondria. So we're all in that balance of getting the Mitochondria to do what it's supposed to do. Alright. Give you good atp energy, less free radicals. All right, so we're starting there because we know that's a root of, of life is get to the cell. And so I had to work in all these different supplements to see, you know, the liver, milk thistle, liver detoxifier. Okay. That's a liberal elixir we gotta have that. Uh, Astaxanthin offers something different than all the other ones. It actually is one of the best antioxidant supplements are available because it's, it's so, um, it, I won't go into it. Were to give a big podcast on, but it does, you know, extra cellular, cellular membrane inside the cell. Okay. Others just do outside the cell as far as antioxidants. So anyway, long story short, I said, all right, I got sulforaphane, which you know, that your nerve to activated, and these others do some of that too. 

Eric: 21:57 So anyway, I started working with Broccoli, sprout, curcumin, milk thistle, Ashwagandha, and Astaxanthin. And those are the ones I really started zeroing in on. And that's the synergy that it finally came together to be bioStak. So, and there's, you won't find a supplement out there that has this, this combination, this synergy, it's just not there. Okay. And one thing that people don't understand is we're, we're, um, on, on capsules. Most supplements the Max they can get into a capsule that's a normal size is 650 to 700 milligrams. Alright? But for the dosage that I worked with ended up being double that. So that's why we're 60 pills instead of 30, like most supplements per month. So we had to double it. So you're getting 1,250 milligrams, you're not just getting 650 milligrams. So. 

Chad: 22:56 And so you mentioned synergy. That's what I started out with this conversation. So let's talk about why these ingredients works so well together. And additionally, why are you, why are you willing to, to talk about the ingredients? I mean there's, there's, there, it's a very competitive space and all of that kind of stuff. Maybe let's not get into that right now. Let's talk about the synergy, why these work together and then we'll see what kind of time we have.

Eric: 23:28 So through all the clinical studies. And I have, if I add up in all, and if I add up all five of these and even a pepperdine that's also in there, I probably have a thousand studies. And so, um, and, and remember all studies, clinical studies, you know, we have in vitro, okay, we have human and we have rats in my study. All right? So you have to decipher through all those. And I'm not against rat studies because we just can't do human studies on a lot of this stuff. It's just the money's not there. Alright. And, and probably a lot of humans that aren't willing to, to participate in it just takes a major amount of money. So I do like some rat studies and say, hey, you know, maybe this could work. You know, it's, it's really, it's, it's been proven with rats and you know, like recently a cellular regeneration and a lot of different things, you know, anti cancer, anti inflammatory. I'm a antioxidant and everything works together. So what I did through all the clinical studies, I know Broccoli sprouts sulforaphane does a little different. Okay. It's more nerve to activation this most potent out there. Uh, it's most potent as far as anticancer carcinogen reduction. Uh, it, it, it actually protects your p 53, the tumor suppressor genes. It protects your mql. One, there's a lot of different things. It does cardio diabetes and it carcinogens and I, I love Sulforaphane and I've given podcast on Curcumin, comes into the picture same way, so anti-inflammatory in as far as joints and, and in inflammation and pain and movement. And it's also an antioxidant, but it's also antiviral and that antibacterial it. And in it also inhibits a lot of those in the cytokines. We talk about, you know, Interleukin one, six, 12, a TNF, uh, uh, nf Kappa B, which is a major master switch of inflammatory cytokines. So anyway, that has its view then then the milk thistle comes in with liberty toxify or in, in cell regeneration and liver enzymes. And you know, we know, you know, liberty issues is a hepatitis cirrhosis and jaundice now fatty liver diseases are next epidemic Chad. And I'm like, Oh, I've got to get on top of this fatty liver disease because this is the epidemic, this coming. Okay, it's here. All right. So I'm like, all right, let's get to the liver. Let's get this thing really reinforced and strengthened them. It's also an antioxidant and anyway, then Ashwagandha comes in, let's get rid of some stress and lower the cortisol and it's also an antioxidant. Also anti inflammatory. It also initiates what we call the heat shock proteins, which I'm all big into the formation and folding of your proteins and it's urgent and it's also helps with neurogenesis and picks up your bdnf. And uh, I'm just going off here, but I'm just going on memory right now because I've studied this stuff so much and, and Astaxanthin, it's, you know, that's the ruler of all antioxidants and it can kill more than one free radical at a time. And it also can kill different types of radicals. Member, we have the super oxide hydroxyl, radical singlet oxygen lines, uproxy, nitrates, so it can attack more different types of free radicals at the same time. So I'm like, wow, I've got all this together now. And so that's, that's the synergy. When one picks off the other, takes off, the one doesn't cover that, the other one covers that. And then you get into the amount that's, you know, sure you can go buy these separately. Oh yeah. Fantastic. I mean, sure you can, but I believe with the synergy of it is getting the right milligrams and that's. And that's, that was a challenge to try to work in the right milligrams. And so, and there's other. I still want people to take their krill oil and their fish oil, you know, there's different and I still, you know, keep your cruciferous vegetables up and different things, but now you don't have to buy these separately and, and it's all working together. So 

Chad: 27:17 Besides the fact that we, um, we, we did a little test and we, we added up what it would cost somebody to, to source these separately and make sure that they're pure, make sure that they're organic, give them from the right sources, all of that kind of stuff. And it was, it was almost comical how much it costs and the time it took to source all of these ingredients compared to what it would cost them to just get bioStak. 

Eric: 27:44 And the sad thing is I worked with the manufacturers all over and over in different ones and trying to find the right source and get the certificate of analysis on every, all the ingredients. And all of them were like, why are you going organic? And I said, because I have no choice. And they're like, nobody pays attention. They really don't. When it comes to supps, they're not looking for that word organic. And I just like, well it's the only one, even though it's the only way that I'm going to go. So 

Chad: 28:14 let's talk about sourcing for a second because I think that's interesting. Sorry to cut you off, but I didn't want to move on from that. Before we talk a little bit about this, sourcing was an interesting and I was right there alongside as you started into the sourcing process, which was a year ago. And by the way, Eric, I totally failed to mention this podcast is going live on our one year anniversary. Oh, that's right. That is right. September. Happy anniversary buddy. It's been a year. We've been podcasting life and Ketosis for one year today

Eric: 28:52 And people have been putting up with my voice for one year.

Chad: 28:56 Well we don't know that. We just might have a high turnover,

Eric: 29:00 but I have you to offset that. 

Chad: 29:05 So that's, that's really cool. I think that's something to be celebrated. That's fun. I didn't think very few things I've done in my life for a full year. No, I'm just kidding. Anyway, so sourcing we did. You did get some pushback that, and I witnessed it firsthand. You told me a little bit about it and bio the bio team is also, it's been a little bit of a headache with sourcing because the sourcing company can't understand why you are so adamant about some of the, the aspects of these ingredients that you are. And and I just found that interesting because that's a testament to me that we have something unique here. We have something different because what that tells me is these, these sourcing companies are working with thousands of other supplement and stack companies and for it to be unusual for us to, uh, require some of the things that we required is shocking. Yeah. 

Eric: 30:08 And No, it is. In fact, I got pushed back and said, why are you doing 1,250 milligrams? Everybody's like 650 and they're getting the same money for that. And I'm like a, this is what it takes, this is the amount that I need of milligrams. I don't have a choice. And they're like, well, you do have a choice, you know, we can reduce it. Nobody will ever know Eric. And I said, I don't know, I don't have a choice. Sure. I don't want people taking two pills a day. It's maybe it's not that inconvenient, you know, do one in the morning, one at night and. But if you want to do two in the morning, Oh, you do? Okay. Yeah. Well, however you like. But I basically, I just said, no, this is what I've tested and this is what I've come up with. So let's, let's go with it. And I want a certificate analysis on every where it came from. I had to be organic like I said, and so it was a struggle and they said, well, your profit's going to be a lot, you know, they just all profit oriented and he says, you know, basically a lot of them just say, well just say send me your ingredients and I'll manipulate them to make it work. No. Oh. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. I was discouraged. 

Chad: 31:22 And some said hey we can put some filler in this and nothing would be noticed or, and, and that you pushed back on back on all the 

Eric: 31:31 Fillers are huge on So, so, and, and that's it. Everything had to be just right. And, and, and I finally let the bio team takeover on it because I was, it was just too much for me. And so the team took over and really did a good job and then sent me all the certificate of analysis and everything finally got put together. So it was, it was pretty, it was tough. But I'm excited now because one thing I don't have to mix all my stacks anymore and the hardest part was when all my people that tested it, it tastes terrible when you mix it with my wife finally couldn't do it anymore because she was mixing it with water. I wanted it to be mixed with water and I didn't want anything else in it and it tasted really horrible. And Do Broccoli sprouts with water, do Broccoli sprouts with water and some of these others and is good taste. So I did have some people just couldn't do it because of the taste they had to give up on me. So, but, but I'm happy now. 

Chad: 32:33 Let's, let's end this way now that it's out to the, to the general public. And uh, I hope you're sleeping again at night by the way. I'm finding now that it's out there and, and you were pretty nervous. I mean you even expressed it on the podcast, but you just, you hoped people would have the experience with it that you, that you found in your test phases and course. But they are. And can you, as we close out here, just share some of the experiences and some of the comments that you're getting from people now 

Eric: 33:06 in, in, in what it's about. Remember we have chronic inflammation, okay? Which we can get into free radicals and every but number one, we have silent inflammation going on in your body that you're not aware of until the illness is produced. Okay? So most people think, hey, I'm, I'm all good, you know? But then again, you may not know you're all good and then all of a sudden that silent inflammation, that chronic inflammation that you're not feeling ends up resulting in something bad. So what is exciting? And even acute in different things that you're feeling, that's why the result, the feedback, sometimes people are, they don't, they're really healthy, but they're like, hey, I feel good. I don't need it. But you don't know the silent inflammation could be happening. All right? A lot of people don't know it until they get hit with something. All right? And so that's what's exciting about that makes me nervous because I want people to know that if you do have issues, then obviously if you've got fibromyalgia, you got joint pain, you know, pain and different metrics, then you're going to feel the benefit. Then there's others that were taking care of something, you know, in the Mitochondria that you really don't feel, but in the long run you will. We're trying to make that mitochondria just so functional then your Dna, your gene expression, you know, we're trying to keep all of that protected and, and some of that you just don't feel. But you know, just like when you, your cruciferous vegetables and you, your nutrition, some of those things you just know you're taking care of your body and this is what this is going to help for remember. Chronic illnesses are all, you know, a derivative inflammation and free radical damage and everything else. So that's, that's why it's here, that's why this is a been put together and we're getting energy from it and we're getting some strength training and muscle recovery and it all works together. 

Chad: 35:00 So yeah, so I know you too well. Um, I think I know that it's not going to stop here and this is really cool. This is awesome. The stack is out. People are taking it and loving it. I've had people reach out to me personally. I've given it to my friends and family or my friends and family have have ordered it. Other business partners in other ventures have ordered it and, and I'm getting, I'm getting the same sort of feedback loop that you are and it's just been awesome. But there is this question of where's Eric going next? I mean he can't relax and so we know he's going somewhere else. Are you, are you already talk about it and do that or should we bask in the glory of bioStak right now?

Eric: 35:52 what's got me on my quest now is since I've been doing DNA analysis and studying everybody's genes in their genetic mutations and reporting to them and going deep rabbit holes, I am learning a lot of things about different genetic mutations that at why some of this, the stack is really beneficial to, you know, as far as there are people with superoxide dismutase mutations, Gludethyon just um, uh, mutations, bdnf. So I've been collecting data and now I'm working for a stack to say, hey, this area of the genetic mutations are so popular and a lot of people, so let me work with a stack here in this area than another stack here. I have people with methylation issues with Coleen, issues with folate issues and these are all snips, the mutations. So now I'm in working with collecting data and developing some more stacks. So to be more specific, this one's really covers so much, which is such a broad coverage, which is fantastic by itself. It could just be there by itself. But now I'm going to pinpoint some genetic mutations that are going to go right after it. So. And that's where I'm headed. 

Chad: 37:15 Do you want to say anything about exogenous ketones yet or is it too early? 

Eric: 37:19 That's too early, but no, that's there, that's, that's our pre, you know, how can I be in this world without a pre workout? But I am making it different than just the preworkout. Alright. So because it's gonna be something that is different than what's out there because everybody's jumping on that bandwagon right now and it's going to. There's some different things that didn't go in with it to serve way higher purpose than just pre workout. And that's the sad part about most of this is why I had to eliminate stimulants completely and all my testing because you know, I do new tropics and all sorts. If you have caffeine in their caffeine rules, everything as far as energy and see, you know what I mean? It's the pick me up and you got to take that out because people, they'll say, oh, I got so much energy. And I go, yeah, that's why the preworkout sell so well because they just keep boosting up there like two, 350 milligrams. So you're getting a pop and you take that out. Then you can test the taurine and everything else that's in there that they use. So anyway, so

Chad: 38:21 absolutely. Well this is all really premature. I just, it was a, it was a fun thing for me to bring up because I know you're restless so I know, but I don't, I also don't want to take away the glory of, of what we have now and you know with bioStak. 

Eric: 38:36 This is the bomb so to speak. So I mean I'm, I'm really excited about it and it's been a, it's been a lot of work, but no matter what their important ingredients by themselves, they're important ingredients together. Just whatever you do in your life, just make sure you incorporate some of these ingredients, know 

Chad: 38:56 well get this. Uh, I would say for anybody who hasn't yet go to. And then we have so many listeners already who have reached out to us and said there, they found us through the podcast. They're now taking bioStak in and feeling the effects of it and that's, that's really cool. If you haven't at this point, biostak.com is your place to go. Stack of course has no C if you're listening to us at any point in time or any, any amount of time in the last couple months, you know, bio has no C and uh, uh, so go to biostak.com and, uh, make yourself available for, uh, for being able to take biostak it's, it's, it's doing some awesome things. So anything you want to wrap up with on the synergy or how these things work together or the importance of having them in your life now? 

Eric: 39:46 I'm just excited about it and like I said, you know, I incorporate, you know, I've been, like I've said many podcasts, I don't, I don't go to go to sleep at night unless I have these molecules in me and just I just can't push it hard enough for people. And, and I know there's sciences, you know, in all different areas, but just, just make sure that you get some of these nutrients in. Yeah. And better together as a synergy, but just just take care of your health. That's all. That's all we're about is trying to make you healthy and make you happy. 

Chad: 40:19 Yeah, absolutely. Well, thanks for biohacking with us today, Eric, and I want to thank you for joining us on this quest for optimal fitness. If you're ready to begin your own journey and live your life in Ketosis, be sure to check out biofitcoaching.com or bio fit coaching on instagram. That handle is @biofit_coaching. There's been some great conversations going on over there recently, especially with a lot of the keto tips you're giving Eric everything from stacks to, um, exercise too nuts to everything. So I think, I mean that's a, it's a wide, wide range. It's a fun venue to give a lot of different varied topics and ideas and that kind of stuff. And a lot of stuff's off the cuff for Eric. And, and that's fun to see too, because I think a lot of your, your greatest stuff, Eric comes up when you're just right off the cuff and, um, and talking about how you live ketosis. So check it out, their @biofit_coaching on instagram. If this podcast has helped you at all, entertained you or, um, or you just want to help us out, help us reach more people, go to itunes and leave us a five star, a star, five star rating in a glowing review that'll help us a ton. Finally, the greatest compliment you can give us this sharing of this podcast with your friends and your family, those who want a different way of living. And until next time, stay keto.