9/16/18 Sunday Supp: Is there an Optimal Ketone Range? (Tackling Testing Myths…)

Is there an optimal level of beta you should be in? Is higher always better? The guys take on some keto myths as they discuss a question from Jessie who wants to know if there is an optimal ketone range to be in.

So many opinions, does this question have an answer? (Eric says yes!)

What Eric has seen with his coaching clients.

Do you need to be at 3.0 mmol to experience enhanced brain cognitive?

What does Eric's blood usually test at?

What happens to your ketone levels as your body becomes MORE fat adapted?

Is it true the higher your beta level, the better you feel?

And remember that ketone monitoring is like a spot test.

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Chad: 00:06 So we're getting a lot of questions regarding the proper way to live life in ketosis. We have you covered in our midweek mini series called Sunday sups. Every Sunday we have a quick supplemental episode where we answer your questions on all things Keto. So our question today comes from Jesse and Jesse asks, do you believe there's an optimal level of Ketosis to be in? I've heard a lot of people saying one point five to three point Oh millimoles, but what is your take? This is, um, if anybody has been online looking at keto discussions, topics, any of this kind of stuff. This was a highly discussed topic without a lot of answers and I think the lack of answers. And you'll, Eric, I'll let you jump in here in a second. I'm going to give my unfounded opinion, but I think the lack of answers to this topic is because possibly there are no answers there and I'm going to let you take it from there. But, but I think this is a very subjective topic. Um, and people are trying to teach it or treat it like an exact science and that may not work. So anyway, that's my non-expert normal, normal everyday guy take on it. But what do you, what are you saying? 

Eric: 01:32 It's a great question. And the reason why I, I've learned a lot about it and the, and the ratios of a Beta and the millimoles and the amount is in coaching over a hundred and something clients I am dealing with everybody's Beta and, and their millimoles and where they're at. So I've been able to learn a ton from that over the last two, three years and dealing with other people's. So I'm always monitoring that everyday. I, I see what their Beta is. And so there is those out there in the beginning, the gurus of, of Ketosis, same. Hey, you know, for brain cognitive and everything to work properly in the brain, you need a three point, oh, three point five millimole to uh, capitalize on the brain, cognitive as far as Beta into the Mitochondria and the brain. 

Eric: 02:26 And so that started. People say I need to get higher and higher and higher, and then I learned through coaching and uh, myself and many, many self experiments that everybody's different. Um, I maintain a lower end of millimole from zero point five to one point one, maybe I'm in. It all comes down to adaptation. It really does. Your body's going to utilize Beta at different times and the more adapted you become, the more you're going to utilize Beta as your energy source. So your brain's gonna grab most of it. Then once your muscles become adapted to using beta instead of fatty acids, because you're, if you're in Ketosis, you're going to be grabbing more of the Beta that's not going to the brain to be utilized in, as in Mitochondria as well as muscle. ATP and other tissues are going to use it, your heart's going to use it. So if you have a high level in your blood then, or why isn't it getting used? Uh, what's, what's going on? And uh, so when I fasted that seven days and you know, did that Spartan experiment, I hit eight point, oh, a higher. I was higher than any point home normal and I was like, Oh man, I'm getting so much, but I wasn't moving the last two days because of I was getting, trying to rest up for the race and so then, and I think I said this before, I went out for a run to try to bring it down and I did end up bringing it down to three point nine, so I actually use some of the Beta, but my brain wasn't working that hard to use use too much, so I went out and took, took some that away by by throwing it toward the muscles, just to bring it down. 

Eric: 04:16 Why? I don't know why I did that. Maybe I've never been that high and got a little nervous. Maybe there's nothing to be afraid of. Like ketoacidosis. There is no fear of that. It, it just thought I better bring it down. I didn't know how high I was going to go and actuality the Keto Mojo stops at eight, so once you go past that, you just get high. So I didn't know where I was. I knew I was above eight, so it wasn't quite sure, but there's no way it could be in Ketoacidosis because you have insulin and you can never go Ketoacidosis if you have insulin. So anyway,.

Chad: 04:50 Let me ask you this too. And there's, there's a myth out there that I've seen, and I don't know if you've seen this poking around, is that the higher your millimole the, the better feeling you are in ketosis can we repeat that? 

Eric: 05:08 Yes. I put it to bed because I coach a lot of people and they're running point five to a one point two, point three, some get up a little higher and I always say, hey, with that higher millimole do you feel any more activity or cognitive in the brain? A little more energy? And I say, no, no, not really. Um, and I've, I've been there, you know, where I have really high millimole and I analyze myself and if I, if I'm in Ketosis, it shows point five and above. I'm happy because I know it could be higher and the brain's utilizing a lot that time, uh, and I feel good. And like you, I remember you and coaching you for it and still coaching you how you feel. You started saying, Hey, I'm, I'm not so high anymore. And you started getting nervous like you're not, you're not producing. Then you're like, hey, I feel the same at point eight. Two point. Oh yeah. 

Chad: 06:00 I think it's important for us to, to realize all we're measuring is potential fuel in our blood. It's, there's no way for us to measure what is actually being utilized. So all we're measuring is saying it's just like, think of it as a stockpile of food in your garage. You, you may have more than another person, but you can only each consume so much. So. So yes, you might have it for longer or you know, that sort of thing. But, but we're not going to experience a greater cognitive, uh, clarity or something because we have a higher millimole measuring what's neat about it.

Eric: 06:42 Remember that. It's just like a spot check at that moment at that. That's what you have. So when my tests where I'd done every 15 minutes every hour on, on Beta, and it's amazing. It can be point five, then all of a sudden it's point nine and you know, just bounce it. I know I've seen your rob.

Eric: 07:02 I get three. You have to start three in each finger? Yeah. Yellow, three, three, three, three. Each hand gets 15 now. I don't do my thumb for some reason. It just, I can't do my thumb. I can't prick my thumb and do my pinky, but I can't do my thumb. Hey, can you do your thumb? I don't know. 

Chad: 07:22 I've never tried. I've never pricked my finger more than once a day. 

Eric: 07:26 So I get, I get a lot I'm getting, I'm never good at it but oh well. But I do bleed really easy so that's kind of Nice. I don't have to, you know, squeeze the blood. 

Chad: 07:37 Eric had to take out a personal loan just to buy keto strips. 

Eric: 07:40 Used to be really high precision strips were like to $2.50 a strip $3 sometimes in the old days you paid quite a bit for them. So. Cool. 

Chad: 07:50 Well thanks for biohacking health today and I want to thank you for joining us on this quest for optimal fitness. If you're ready to begin your own journey and live your life and Ketosis, be sure to check out biofitcoaching.com or bio fit coaching on instagram that handles @biofit_coaching. Thank you so much, and until next time, stay Keto!