8/29/18 E53 What is Astaxanthin? (And why it’s so important on your keto journey…)

Asta-what? That may be your first reaction to one of Eric's famed micronutrients, but this astaxanthin stuff is legit! It has a ton of natural benefits, is the ruler of all anti-oxidants, and really lives up to the hype. Eric discusses what it is, how to get it, and why he takes it on the daily!

What is this king carotenoid?

Fun fact: what gives shrimp and crab it's red color?

Chad explains the mini-series around Eric's must-have micronutrients.

What led to Eric discovering astaxanthin back in 2011?

Studies on how asta improves energy output and athletic performance.

The roles of all the different anti-oxidants.

Science Time!! Eric talks free radicals, electrons, and instability...

Inside, outside and even in the cellular membrane...there is no place asta can't go!

And finally, what effect does astaxanthin have on how you feel?

If you're looking for an easy way to incorporate ALL-NATURAL, 100% ORGANIC astaxanthin into your routine, check out Eric's unique blend at www.biostak.com. (He is preparing to release the first shipments in a matter of days, so don't wait!!)

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Transcript:

Chad: 00:00 X is Xantham,

Eric 00:02 actually it it spelled ass his tax and it just asked is anthem.

Chad: 00:10 They say a journey begins in a single step or in my case, one less piece of bread.

Chad: 00:20 My name is Chad and I'm your test subject. I have sought out an expert in the field of nutrition and fitness. Well, I hoped it helped me feel better. They call him the biohacker, but I call him Eric. I hope you'll join me on a path of leads, you and I to optimal fitness as we live our lives and ketosis. This is the life and Ketosis podcast, a biohackers guide to optimal body performance.

Chad: 00:53 Hello everyone. My name is Chad and this is my quest to achieving optimal body performance with the man that can get me there. The biohacker himself. Mr Eric Bischof every episode. Eric gives us his crazy intense sciencey knowledge and I break it down with my regular non crazy guy. Take as we explore the principles of ketogenics, KPR performance training. Whether you're just looking for a way to feel better or you're an elite athlete, looking for that edge. We're here to help and today we're talking about Eric, you're going to have to help me out. I know we say this word over and over again and I still don't get it right.

Chad: 01:29 Let me try. Let me try X. Xantham

Eric: 01:34 actually it, it's spelled ass. His tax and just asked is anthem asked? That's right. Mean everybody messes up on that until you first figure it out.

Chad: 01:50 astaxanthin. So why, what is astaxanthin already talking about it.

Eric: 01:57 You could call it asta. It's like beta hydroxybuturate we call Beta. It's up to you. But anyway. No, I'm excited about this. Um, it's, it's actually a carotinoids. Okay. And you know, the carotenoid family and like the Beta carotene, uh, a plant based like, like vegetables. Okay. But it's found in, in micro algae. All right. And so what it, what it is and what it comes from, this micro algae will actually make this carotinoids. This asked is anthem and it's actually a protector and it's, it's really, really emotional, you know, for, for, for the allergy. It's an antioxidant. Alright. And so what happens with the allergy, it's gonna come across certain stressors, you know, being algae obviously from ultraviolet sunlight could be the ph balance in the water or there's, there's nutrient changes, etc. So basically what it is, it's, it's, it's a antioxidant for protection and um, it's also gives color.

Eric: 03:06 So it's a red pigment and when you see like salmon, shrimp, lobster, you know, how they have that reddish orange color, that's where it's coming from. It's coming from the anthem. And so algae synthesizes it, it, you know, as a protection from, from stressors. And so now what, what's happened with this astaxanthin, it's become, and it is through stuff. I have probably over 200 studies of assets, anthem and, and been on it. it is actually the most potent antioxidant natural that the, that we can take. I mean, it sure passes the other. We call these dietary antioxidants, blueberries, hibiscus tea, your vitamins a, c and um, and, and uh, he uh, that are, that are all antioxidants, but acid xantham is, you know, they call it, I call it the ruler of antioxidants. So fan, fantastic molecule. And mean, I'm excited to talk about it, but you know, part of our problem chat and I think you will agree with this, I keep saying these words, certain words over and over and, and, and all of my podcast.

Eric: 04:20 And so I asked him, the biofitters and those I coach and my wife and some others. And so I say these words, oxidative stress, reactive oxygen species, antioxidants, pro auctions, free radicals. What else? Inflammation. Electrons. Oxidative phosphorylation. So it gets really confusing. And you've heard how many podcasts? Oh, what are we up to now? Chad,

Chad: 04:44 including our sunday supps were over a hundred. I will.

Eric: 04:48 Ah, we over a hundred. Okay. So do you have heard me a hundred times and more than that as and being coached and everything. And you've heard these words come out of my mouth all the time. So if I asked you to explain these, would you or could you?

Chad: 05:06 Very very Poorly.

Eric: 05:07 it's like even my wife's like, I don't know, you say this oxidative stress. What did, I'm not really familiar or this, uh, oxygen data, phosphorylation and these different words. So it's really hard for, you know, all this information to remember and you have it, you hear it, okay.

Eric: 05:26 And it makes sense at the time, but obviously you lose it, but I think what we have to go back on is when you know, when you hear this, you actually make a, a decision to believe it or not or you don't understand the logic of it if there's science behind it or whatever. So you actually make kind of make a deal. So yeah, I, I liked it. I'd make sense that now that oxidated damage makes sense or, or the or the electron transport chain that moves these electrons down at come leakage and all that stuff. You actually don't really remember it or can recall it, but you just got to go by that feeling of truth when you actually heard it. And then that's how I think most of us are. Because you listened to a lot of podcasts. I do, yeah. And it's kind of like an information overload. Would you say?

Chad: 06:16 I don't remember half of what I listen too

Eric: 06:19 can you remember the feeling or the conviction that maybe you got from that or something like that. And so that's, that's kinda, you know why I want to kind of bring these words back up and talk about them a little bit and, and kinda just get us on the same page again. So I'm not just saying, hey, that's a reactive nitrogen species and assume you like you, you know, I always say I do. I kind of assumed people remember everything I've talked about and so you always bring it back, which is really good. Okay. But no, I'm real excited about this molecule and I'm really excited. This, uh, asked as anthem molecule. It's, it's, it's a fantastic molecule and everybody knows I have my favorites out there and, and, and this, I added a while back years ago. So I'm excited to talk about it and excited.

Chad: 07:10 so that makes a lot of sense to me. Eric, what what I hear you saying is that we repeat a lot of these things so that we can actually remember them and that's, that's one reason that I listened to podcasts is that it does give a lot of times the information is given over and over again in a, in a number of times that I can finally remember it at some point. You know what I mean? so that's what I hear you saying. Is that kinda what your point is as you talk about how we talk about these things so much and sometimes they're difficult to remember.

Eric: 07:40 Yes. Yeah. In fact, I, I get asked about a podcast, you know, eight months ago and when I say it I say that, okay, let me refresh my and then it's like gone. I'm like, ah, you got to be kidding. I did all that. I do all this research and it and I really get actually get depressed over because I can't, I can't recall it all. It's just like an information overload I said. And so I have to, I keep notes on everything and a lot of times I just, I don't have the recall that I used to have when I was young. I really don't. So I have to restudy re look at it, we do it. And so even I, I struggled. Yeah.

Chad: 08:24 So the reason we're talking about astaxanthin and there are going to be some repeat information here about what antioxidants do for our bodies and that kind of stuff, which I'm looking forward to, but the, the main reason, not the main reason, but one of the reasons that we're talking about this is that we're doing a little series right now that are the ingredients of bioStak, which is bioStak is the, is the stack that we recently released and we're not going to go into that, but if people want to check it out and go to bioStak.com. And that's a stack no c in it. So it's, it's bioStak, no, c .com anyway. So we're going to do a little mini series. The next few episodes are going to be all about the ingredients that are in bioStak and then the final episode is going to be how all of those ingredients work together. So whether you're looking to purchase the stack or or or use the stack or not. These are still super valuable ingredients and things to add into your dietary plan no matter how you get them. So we wanted to do a quick but they are so important to us or at least to you that you've been spending years and years and years on them. I think you said astaxanthin there's the you started looking into in 2011.

Eric: 09:41 Yeah. And, and that's how I first came in contact with it and what happened. That was the time when I was doing the racing and the iron mans and stuff and that's when I was told my knees need full replacement and so I was always searching for the. anything was anti-inflammatory to, to less than the pain and the swelling and everything. So I was on omega three for years and searching out all these different things. But anyway, I started doing some study and research and I came across this thing called know to me the bag down with ask tax amten or whatever, you know. So I started studying it and I thought, oh my gosh. And there was just, it just started hitting hard, like 2010 I think. And the studies just were coming out and I, like I said, I've got over a couple hundred studies on this stuff.

Eric: 10:26 And I said, well my gosh. And, and, and in one of the studies that was, that was really cool, you know, because at that time obviously I was, I was looking for an enhancement of anti-inflammation. But also there are studies, you know, on cyclist what they did, they took like 21 elite cyclists and they ran them for like 28 days and, and they took them through all these vo two lactic acid and all these kind of a baseline. And then they took them on a, a 20 kilometer, which is 12 point four mile. And I think, uh, I think half or maybe, yeah, I think half of them completed it. But what they proved, they had a significant improvement in their time trial and also their power output that's we call wattage went up by 20 watts and, and so the placebo group, this is controlled, had, had no improvement and so, and they're all fasting, you know, the day before.

Eric: 11:19 So there was no glucose, fatty acids bait or any kind of nutrients there. And so I thought, wow, that was cool. And then there were some other stories. I mean, other studies that I looked at and it, it, it was so anti-inflammatory. I said, well, let me just pursue this. And basically because, you know, I really needed my knees. And so I got into it and started taking it and I was like, wow. I, I was like, well, omega three, I got that and I didn't have beta back then. And then I had other vitamins and nutrients and all that kind of stuff. But that's how I got into that. That was the motivating factor, was to chase that down. And, and so basically that was at the time when all way after the nineties, all this and you're young, but antioxidants really hit the boom in the nineties where that's all they're talking about.

Eric: 12:07 AntIoxidants, antioxidants kill these free radicals. And so it came really big and then then I'll send it. It took a turn in the, in the two thousands. But anyway, I won't go into that science of it, but it comes down to all antioxidants are not created equal. Okay. So they all come in different forms. We've got vitamins, seed, you know, a, he, we've got beta carotene, we got minerals, we've got flavonoids knows what, you know, until we all have the different types of dietary ones. And then we have the vitamin ones and then we have, they each have a different effect on sales. So some are better for preventing chronic illnesses like cancer, some are better for cardio health, some are better for neuro brain health and eye health and et cetera. So, so we bAsically have those antioxidants that came out really strong and they're there.

Eric: 12:58 It's still there. But the problem is most people come, they fall short of actually getting enough antioxidants like vitamin c and vitamin e, I mean most people are deficient in those. And so, so that gets us into the antioxidants and then we have to come back to these words and I mentioned to you the reactive oxygen species, reactive nitrogen species, oxidation, oxidative stress, electronics, et cetera. But in short, all those, and I'll briefly talk about, but they all come down to one thing, the production of free radicals, so it doesn't matter. Those pathways are all leading to something and they start with free radical oxidative stress, oxidative, you know, a, a free radical damage. Everything's coming from the free radicals. Okay. So our goal is to balance and control the free radicals. And so we have to do that by what we have antioxidants versus the pro oxidants, free radicals.

Eric: 14:03 So it's a balance issue. You know, we, some of us produced too many free radicals and not enough antioxidants or take enough antioxidants to balance it out. So everything is back to controlling free radicals. And, and do you remember what a free radical is? Chad kind of

Chad: 14:21 I don't remember a specific what specifically, what a free radical is. I mean, you know, it's bad concept. Are they bad, are they or do we need a certain amount? Okay. What was my question?

Eric: 14:34 Very good question. A good question. Good question. And I didn't really want to go into that because it, it's another science, but I was avoiding that but there is such thing as pro oxidant where it's an oxidant that's going to do something good. Okay. It's like an oxidant that would into your krebs cycle and it's called a connotation and say, hey, I'm gonna take an it's an iron sulfur there a cluster and it'll actually say, hey, I don't need any more atp.

Eric: 16:03 So the super oxide free hydrogen peroxide will go in and say, hey, put the stop on, on citrate basically and say no more coming in or could actually stop glucose from coming in. So that's, it's a free radical but it's doing something that says, hey, I don't need any more energy. I'm overloaded. Stop. So that's a good thing. So there is good things that oxidants do. Okay. Alright. Free radicals. But there is also more, you know, we're on the damage and have it on this podcast, but what a free radical is just real basic. It's an unpaired unstable molecule. Okay? So what it's doing, it's out to look steel, attach an electron to become stable from another molecule. Okay? So when it does that, it doesn't care where it goes to get it. It's, it's unstable, it's trying to stabilize. so it's going to grabbed that molecule, thus creating a chain reaction because that one's going to lose its electron and there there goes, the damage starts and so it's going to attack any molecule. Alright?

Eric: 17:20 So we'll talk about is going to go after what's in the cytoplasm, the proteins, the dna, the nucleus is going to go off the cell membrane, which we'll talk about that. So what happens, the cell becomes dysfunctional and obviously it's not gonna perform. And then that leaves the inflammation. chronic diseases, cardiovascular, rheumatoid, a joint deterioration, cancer, brain, neurodegeneration. So that's where it starts right there. And so we will. And so there's different pathways that they come from and like reactive oxygen species is a pathway and reactive nitrogen species, maybe those, what you know, it says oxygen that's creating oxygen, free radicals, nitrogen creating nitrogen, free radicals. So these are the species. Okay. Anyway, anyway, we can get any of these free radicals to attach themselves to cancer cells and destroy and, and that, that's why we need some day we'll say all right, you, you, but the oxidant the good, the good fruit will turn on certain pathway.

Eric: 17:20 Okay. Like going to the dna. And that's what we're trying to do is avoid. We would cAll these tumor suppressor genes since you brought up cancer. All right. We don't want them to destroy and go in and hurt the P53, which is a tumor suppressor gene. Okay? So that actually goes out and says, hey, free radicals, you're causing some gene damage in the dna here, which I was talking about, nothing I was going to talk about. So it actually goes into the nucleus, goes into the dna free radicals and starts creating some, some, some damage. And then what happens? The gene expression changes, you have mutation, you have abnormal cells, you then though, if you get enough of them, they keep going, then you have proliferation, you have a tumor and you don't want it to damage the tumor suppressor genes because that's going to cause death or apoptosis to this, to the cancer cell, so you need those.

Eric: 18:08 So it's a balancing act that you need enough of these antioxidants to take care of that so that. That's one thing you just said you jumped into the dna, but one of the biggest, if I asked you the was one of the biggest producers of free radicals, and I think you know I've said this a million times is and most people don't understand, is on reactive oXygen species. We get it from oxidative phosphorylation, right? What is that? Energy production? All right, when we go it just what it says. We're going to go into the mitochondria through the krebs cycle, into the electron transport chain. When we create energy, we're moving electrons down. That gives bits and pieces of energy from electrons to push those hydrogen ions up through the protein pumps. I call them complexes, that's all we're doing. We're trying to get energy to push those protein, the pro, the protons and their hydrogen ions to come into the gradient, come back out of the gradient to make atp.

Eric: 19:09 so basically what happens, those electrons movement across the electric transport changed through the complexes. One, two, three, and four at complex one. And I, I'm getting too sciency, but anyway, at complex one is where we get most of the electron leakage. So what that means, those electrons aren't going down. You're going to lose some, you know, you could have stress or you're just really working out hard. Whatever it may be, you're going to lose some of those electrons. They're unstable, they come super oxIde. When they attached with oxygen, oxygen, they become super oxide. That is a free radical. Alright, so we're producing right now, you're producing free radicals. Superoxide, okay? So it may do a good thing, but most times it's out to do damage. So it's going out to say, hey, I, I've got to get an electron from somewhere. So words, it's going to go, it's going to go somewhere.

Eric: 20:01 So it's going to attach itself to something, so it's going to go right out into the cell. It can. And what's scary, what's next to the electron transport chain? We have what we call our mitochondria dna and most people don't talk about that, but we do have dna. Give them from your mother mitochondria dna and that helped run the electron transport chain. That's what keeps it stabilized. And there's other other things it does, but it's going to go after that and that it's going to go after the, the membranes of the mitochondria. Then it's going to go after the, into the cytoplasm and go after your dna in the nucleus. And, and it's scary of all. It's going to go after your cellular membrane and, and you heard me talk about that, but that's. And I'll bring that back up. But here we do. We've got these pathways of um, of, of oxygen or nitrogen species.

Eric: 20:53 Okay. So there's other, real quick. That's one big way. Then we have other, there's from radiation, you can get free radicals, which, you know, radiation ionizing radiation. What happens there, you ended up getting a, it goes into your cell, it loves to attack water because you have cytoplasm of your water, so it actual knockoff electron of h, two o in and they make that a hydroxyl radical. Okay, and so then you have enzymes that produce free radicals. A nitric nitric oxide is also something that's real prevalent in the body, but it's uncharged. It passes easily through cellular membranes, but it also can be turned into, you know, a nitrous oxide goes with superoxide and then that's a production of a proxy nitrate and so there is another another avenue and then you have inflammation, a macrophages and neutrophils. When they do the immune response, they end up as a pathway that will produce free radicals and so that converts into a actually proxy nitrate also from super oxide to that. Then we have metals, drugs, chemicals, a cdot, a acetaminophen. That's another one. It's metabolized in your liver, Chad, that actually gets turned into it can actually create a free radicals if you get too much of it. And that causes damage to the lIver cells anyway. So there's some avenues of

Chad: 22:20 you've sufficiently scared us.

Eric: 22:22 Did I sound scary?

Chad: 22:28 So let's talk about astaxanthin then. How does it interact with free radicals? How are we solving this problem?

Eric: 22:35 Astaxanthin. Okay. While were there, because remember we have lots of different types of free radicals. We got superoxide, hydroxyl, radical hydro, hydrogen peroxide and proxy nitrate. And another one is a nitrogen dioxide radical. They're there. Then you have antioxidants. Besides acid is anthem. You have ones that are made in your body.

Eric: 22:55 Superoxide dismutase, catalyst, glutathione peroxidase co q 10. So those are the ones who made the body. So we're going to go outside the body and talk about ones like asked. Is anthem that you take? Dietary. So your question, what's so special about ask this anthem? One of them is it makes it really good is it's fat soluble and water soluble. So why does that make it so special? So remember, fat solubles got to go into fat. You know, like your liquids or something and water soluble blood. AnythIng else? Cytoplasm. That's water. See most antioxidants, they're not that. They're not both. And so now what you have with ast is anthem, to me, this is called, I call it super cellular, meaning that this is one antioxidant and this is really important that can go extra cellular outside the cell. Okay? Like vitamin e does and you don't kill free radicals, but this one can go outside the cell astaxanthin, it can go intracellular in the cell, the cytoplasm, mitochondria and attack free radicals there.

Eric: 24:09 And it can go into the cellular membrane. So noW you have free radical scavenger, or actually it's a donator, but I won't get into that, but it covers the whole cell. And so some antioxidant just work on the outside of the cell. Uh, like, um, superoxide dismutase, there's different, there's three different ones, no one works on a three, works on the outside, one works on the inside, and two works in the mitochondria. So there are different. But what's cool is astaxanthin works all three. And so that, that, that alone is a fantastic benefit. So you remember enc basically work on the outside of the cell. Okay. And what's so cool about that cellular membrane? It goes into the show, their, I remember that your liquid layer, and it prevents what we call lipid peroxidation. You have yourself, now you have the membrane surrounding it, so when those lipids oxidize, you have damage.

Eric: 25:10 All right? You had say a free radical. Go in and steal electrons from those lipids, and then of course damage it's chain reaction and remember that membrane receptors on that memory and you've got transporters. You need it not to be rigid and stiff. It's got to be fluid member. You got cholesterol in there, you got dha in there, you got fatty acids in their omega sixes in there. So what it does when you get free radicals in that membrane, that's one of the biggest issues we have with damage to the cell is inside the cell membrane. So even dha is in there. You want to protect them, so anytime you have oxidization, okay, which is a free radical going in, guess what's in there. You've got astaxanthin to quench that or just absorb that free radical. So now you're protecting yourself because look, I'm old, so as you age, your membrane gets really rigid and it is not fluid.

Eric: 26:08 It needs to be, and it it's, it's a signaling cell signal, you know insulin hormones. So you really need everything working right on on your cellular membrane. And I get real excited about it because now you have an antioxidant that jumps inside and what's cool is also plastic passes the blood brain barrier, whiCh means now in your neurons, in the cellular membrane, which neurotransmission is so key, you with receptors and transporters. Now you've got something to prevent free radical damage there. So now you improve your neurotransmission. And remember the brain, I mean come on, 20 percent of the brain is like dha a fatty acid, 20 percent. So you have that protection. They're not just dha does its job, but now astaxanthin protects it.

Chad: 26:58 So there's the blood brain barrier. Is that using the water soluble part or the oil soluble?

Eric: 27:04 Remember, fatty acids can't pass the blood brain barrier.

Eric: 27:07 That's why you have beta. Okay? So now you've got the water soluble part in even like people laughing because I lay in the sun 20 minutes everyday, get my vitamin d and my cholesterol and I absolutely have no fears because a sunburn. What happens in your cellular membranes, especially omega six, we've talked about those fatty acids. They're Not, they're not the good ones. If your ratios, you know you don't. That's what oxidizes in the membrane is the omega sixes and that helps create the sunburn. That's just like the flame and now you have astaxanthin, you know, hopefully you don't have much omega six. Like I've cleaned mine out, but now you have astaxanthin in there to protect that oxidation, that liquid peroxidation. so it's a protection. So I think even people to this day don't think I'm crazy, but I have no fear.

Eric: 28:01 I don't get sunburned. I really, I'm not recommending it, but I'm just telling you I don't get sunburned because of keeping. And then the group. Go ahead.

Chad: 28:10 Oh, I was just going to say, so what does astaxanthin actually physically doing to the cell. It's not pairing it with a. With a neutron now. So what's, what does it do? Is it just diffusing it or what's

Eric: 28:22 good question? Good question. What it does. There's a thing called you. You oxidize. Oh, you reduce. Oxidized is taking electronic and when you reduce your giving an electron. Alright, sorry, I meant electron neutron. I'm. But anyway, why astaxanthin is so cool because. So vitamin a, vitamin c, fantastic. We need it. We got to have it. It's an antioxidant. What it does, it actually goes in and makes it available for that free radical to, to, to, to grab it.

Eric: 28:57 Okay. So it becomes, the vitamin e will take that, that free radical electron and stabilize it, neutralIze it. Okay. And so, but only one free radical. Okay. At a time. All right. And so then after that it's got to be recharged and regenerated. So it's not really quick, but it's effective. Very effective. And so what happens? The difference and it only does one type of free radical. It may just do super oxide or it just may do a parexel free radical. It depends. All right, so it's not attacking different types of free radicals. Here's what really makes it the ruler of antioxidants astaxanthin what it does, it'll do more than one free radical at a time and more than one type of free radical. Okay, and So what it does it, they call it, I call it the perimeter, what astaxanthin does, and actually there's a name for it, a electron dislocation, resonance, that's what it's called.

Eric: 30:03 It actually sends out this perimeter, you might call it a cloud, and so when these free radicals come in and try to steal an electron, what happens from the astaxanthin molecule? What happens? it actually astaxanthin reduces it by giving it an electron input. So it neutralizes it. It, it actually, it it, it prevents it from doing any damage so it neutralize it. But whAt's cool about it is since it's at perimeter cloud, it does many different types of free radicals. All right. Up to me, I think it's up to 20 free radicals at a time and simultaneously right then. And so here you have this cloud of protection basically. I'm as well. I'm excited about it because it does so much and I know it's kind of confusing. I'm talking pretty fast because I'm kinda, I'm pretty excited about it actually.

Chad: 31:02 No, this has been great. I think it's been really, really interesting information. Can I ask you, do we, I mean I've been taking bioStak now for over a month. Almost a month maybe. Yeah. And, and I love the way that it makes me feel is astaxanthin does it actually play a part in that though? The way that I can actually notice.

Eric: 31:25 Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Because we're only ill and we only feel that way. I don't care if it's chronic or acute or just fibromyalgia or pains. Inflammation is because free radical damage is taking its course. Alright. And initiate lots of pathways. You know, even two chronic illnesses, you know, uh, alzheimer's, parkinson's cancer, a cardiovascular diseases. Alright. It slows down your energy production. Remember, it's all in the mitochondria. Everything, I mean, our whole life, we're just basically trying to keep production of energy by moving protons in the electric transport chain, which gets energy from electrons coming down the complexes. Okay, so if you have free radicals damming that up, causing damage and preventing it, then guess what? Mitochondria damage is a precursor to everything. And so if we can get in and protect those free radicals with antioxidants ones your body produces like gouda, cylon, catalyze and superoxide dismutase, those things we talked about.

Eric: 32:33 Then you add to it with the dietary ones, like astaxanthin, your omega's different anti, you know, blueberries, you're hibiscus, the polyphenols and flavonoids in those kinds of things. Then you really build up a great, you know, a defense mechanism and then there's other mechanisms you turn on your nerf to. We won't get into all that. Those are your antioxidant defense system. So yes, Chad, absolutely energy, uh, production, cognitive memory, uh, inflammation. My joints. That's really Chad in those out there. I'm just being really truthful. These needs need to be replaced In 2010 and I'm running trails and you know, I'm, you know, uh, spartans and training hard and it's really a from keeping my inflammation at bay and deterioration, joint deterioration because I'm really on top of the, the, the free radical damage.

Chad: 33:32 well, this has been good. I think there's been a lot of great information on here.

Eric: 33:36 Um, can we, is there anything you want to make sure that we, that we leave everybody wIth about astaxanthin before we close up. It's just remember that the mechanism, how powerful it is when you can have an anti oxidant and go after more than one type of free radical, more than one free radical at a time. Okay. And there's no toxicity to it. They've tested up to so many milligrams a fda approves it. It's, it's, you know, it's, it's got the green light from everything, but it actually is really one of the most potent ones out there. And, and I, I wouldn't even if you don't get the stack or whatever, it's, I would incorporate it. And you know, if you take krill oil, you get a certain amount of astaxanthin obviously because krill oil eats the algae and it's stronger than shrimp and salmon, uh, you do get a certain amount of astaxanthin in krill oil and that's another attractive aspect of krill oil.

Eric: 34:35 Fish oil, you don't get astaxanthin, but in krill oil you get astaxanthin and you get all that antioxidant benefit.

Chad: 34:43 So yeah, that's great. So we're gonna this is gonna come back up in a few episodes where we talk about all the ingredients in bioStak and how they work together because there was a certain, there is a magic to your madness of what you've put into it and how they interact with each other. And we're gonna come back to this. But this has been awesome. Thanks so much for. Thanks so much for biohacking with us Eric.

Eric: 35:07 All right, no problem. Thank you.

Chad: 35:10 And I want to thank you for joining us on this quest for optimal fitness. If you're ready to begin your own journey and live your life in ketosis, be sure to check out biofitcoaching.com or biofit coaching on instagram. That handle is @biofit_coaching, and if this podcast has helped you or entertained you in any way, we encourage you to consider going to itunes and leaving us a five star rating and a glowing review so we can reach more people. We can grow this community even more than it already has, and finally the greatest compliment that you can give us a sharing the podcast with your friends and family, those who need it the most, those who are looking for a different way to live

Chad: 35:48 and until next time, stay keto.