8/22/18 E52 Bringin’ Beta Back to the Keto Conversation

So you may have noticed that Eric has a slight obsession with the beta-hydroxybutyrate molecule...He doesn't regularly wear an "I'm in it for the beta" shirt around for nothing! So on today's episode, he talks about the complete benefits behind the ketogenic lifestyle, and it has quite a bit to do with this wonder molecule that can help with everything from depression to cancer.

Keto is not only about losing weight.

Taking control of your food choices.

What are the added bonuses of the ketogenic lifestyle?

How did it all begin? What started Eric on the beta path.

Why the most important element of a keto conversation is often missing.

How beta can help address genetic mutations.

What is the proper role of glucose in the body?

And Chad's invitation to all listeners.

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Transcript:

Eric: 00:00 Who motivated you or where did you learn to make that choice? Okay. So you chose your fuel, but what told you fat was bad? What told you that? Veggies are good. Was it internet, Doctor Government, uh, the food industry, pushing this stuff? So obviously we have all this. Who's in control?

Chad: 00:24 They say a journey begins in a single step or in my case, one less piece of bread. My name is Chad and I'm your test subject. I have sought out an expert in the field of nutrition and fitness who I hope he'd helped me feel better. They call him the biohacker, but I call them parent. I hope you'll join me on a path that leads you and I to optimal fitness as we live our lives in ketosis. This is the life and Ketosis podcast, a biohackers guide to optimal body performance.

Chad: 01:08 Hello everyone. My name is Chad and this is my quest for achieving optimal body performance with a man that can get me there. The biohacker himself. Mr Eric Bischof every episode. Eric gives us his crazy intense sciencey knowledge and I break it down with my regular non crazy guy take as we explore the principles of Ketogenics and KPR performance training, whether you're just looking for a way to feel better or if you're an elite athlete looking for that itch. We're here to help. And today we're talking about Beta, but more than talking about Beta, we're talking about, and when I say Beta, we're talking about the Beta hydroxy butyrate molecule, which is our key tones. Um, but more than that, we want to talk about the why, right? Eric, because one thing that's been interesting as, as you've told me about your relationship with your clients, um, and uh, and different things like that, is that a lot of people get caught up in different aspects of why they're doing keto and why they're going after the Beta.

Chad: 02:12 And they get lost in all of that. Or they get, they, they lose that somewhere along the way. And it becomes more about just how they look or how. And so we want to talk about why you're going after the Beta or what you're in it for and uh, and how we can maintain that mentality a little bit and remember that, you know, as aesthetics is really or, or how we look, is really just a byproduct of the real benefits of ketosis. Right? And, and that's your obviously huge on that. Anybody that's been listening to us for a while or even for a couple episodes knows that for you, it's a lot more than just the way that you look. Yes. And uh, and so we, you know, we've had a couple episodes in the recent past of that cover. How, you know, how did lose more weight or is losing air, you're losing too much weight or you know, all that kids.

Chad: 03:08 So we do, we are addressing the aesthetics that we're not ignoring that. And we get that. That's a big part. People want to look good. I want to look good. You want to look good, Eric? I know that. Um, so we're not saying that, you know, we need to forget about that, but there is, if, if it's not getting you exactly where you want to be aesthetically as quick as you would like it too, it's really important to have a different, another y, which is all of some of the things we're going to talk about today. Got It. Right. Did I, did I do that? Okay. Perfect. Okay.

Eric: 03:44 And I don't want to repeat myself and in sometimes you know, we all need to hear a repeat of some things that are really important. And in the end part of it is, you know, I, I had my shirt on, I'm in it for the Beta and you, you hit it. So you have to ask yourself, I'm in it for what. Okay. And so, you know, it comes back down to ever since I, I started diving really deep into the, uh, genetic snips of my clients, which takes me really deep, deeper than I ever imagined and more rabbit holes that I ever even imagined. And it really scares me because now I can see how through different diets and nutritional programs and, and lifestyles and, and environment, how I personally can actually help somebody change, uh, uh, genetic expression. And it, it really, it really enlightened me.

Eric: 04:50 In fact, it, it just basically scared me because here I see all these genetic mutations that people have that they're not aware of and I'm not scaring people. But Hey, it is a blueprint. It's your genetic, but it's definitely doesn't have to be expressed unless you make the changes in that lifestyle nutrition environment to change at we call epigenetics that change, that expression of that DNA, uh, a snip that you have the mutation. And so basically it draws me back to my conviction of why I went down this path three years ago and really delved into it and studied it because I think people start to slip a little bit. And in coaching, like you said, it, uh, this isn't working. It's not working fast enough. Uh, you know, we all hit a stall, you know, the weight loss, the body composition and then all of a sudden discouragement sets in.

Eric: 05:45 And then all of a sudden, sooner or later, , well, Keto didn't work for me, or you know, it, it, it, it didn't get me to where I want to be. But the sad part is where we're losing out really what it's about. Okay? And it comes down to the same thing. What energy source do you choose? So we all can choose. You know, there's, you can have that healthy energy source where you're going to get your carbs, you're going to your fido nutrients, vitamins, minerals, fatty acids, what saturated. Mano, polyunsaturated, Omega three and Omega six, she got proteins, essential amino acids, essential amino acids. All this means something, but bottom line is it's an energy fuel to produce ATP. Okay? In the electron transport chain. But sure, all those other, the vitamins and everything else matters. Okay? It makes the fuel healthy because you're going to get the byproducts of all that too, for, for health, for healthy pathways, for, for everything that your body does need.

Eric: 06:48 All those intermediate that come through your krebs cycle and you're feeding everything. But basic line comes back down. It's, it's your choice. And so I'm, I want to just get to where we have, we have energy, we have a, we have dietary energy, that's what we take in and then we have a stored energy that, that we have stored in our body. So no matter what, we have to balance it somehow and it's your choice to choose and I have to convince, not convince, but just from my research and study and an experience to try to say, hey, let's get it back to the real deal of, of why we're doing this. It's just like you, you started out and I guess through our podcast and you're forced to listen to me through Osmosis or whatever. You, you develop a deeper connection and those that are listening to a podcast might get tired of hearing from me about it, but I've, I've got to bring you back to.

Eric: 07:53 It's your choice, what kind of energy you want to store in your body and what kind of energy you want to eat. And obviously the stored energy I'm not getting too long is your glycogen. Obviously, if you're going to car glucose, which is great, glycogen is very valuable. So you've got the stored glycogen. And what else do you have? You've got fatty acids that are stored. All right? So you're either going to store it or you're going to unstore it. All right? So there's, there's your choice. And we are going to store to a certain degree. I don't care how, how lean you are or how much, uh, uh, your, your fat percentages, but you're also going to unstore it. And so that's what we're Kinda Kinda deal with today is what energy you're going to. And what's the most important glycogen or fatty acids. Are they both in balance? Equally important. Okay. So that was long winded and in you said it, you, you are you in it for aesthetic therapeutic or performance or little bit of all three are mainly therapeutic. Number two, where, where are you and like you, Chad, where are you? If you're honest?

Chad: 09:05 So for me, I, I went into ketogenics already feeling pretty good about my aesthetics. Um, so that wasn't really a motivator other than maintenance, right? So I knew that I knew that it would, mine was the energy, the mental clarity, um, and the cleaner burn, just feeling like it's definitely not even feeling like knowing that my body is burning something that gives it more, um, more clarity. It gives it more, uh, it's more efficient. It, uh, you know, all of the benefits that we've. Yeah. Performance. Yeah, performance was huge because I was, I am, I'm into hit workouts and so a high intensity interval training. And so, uh, you know, I was, I was instructing insanity, which is a kind of a beach body program for hit workouts.

Chad: 10:07 And I was instructing that when I started to, to um, do ketogenics and I wanted to push myself harder and yeah, that was a big part of it. And I knew, well I didn't know, but I was willing to try it and as, and through talking with you and hiring you or, or, or at least partnering with you for my, for some of my training and nutrition and that kind of stuff. Um, you know, you talk to me about how performance it would improve the performance and all that kind of stuff. So that was a huge one I've talked about on the podcast a lot before I was tired a lot. Um, even with, and especially with my workout regimen, I'm waking up early in the morning and doing a couple of hours of exercise or an or an hour or so of exercise, uh, was exhausting.

Chad: 11:01 So by 12:30 1:00 right after lunch I was out, like I was asleep, I was taking midday naps. I will put work on pause to make mit take mandate naps. So that's the kind of stuff I was kind of a different case I think to where I was seeking more of the efficient and energizing and clarity, energy burn or, or, or, you know, fat burn.

Eric: 11:28 I put that under performance. I mean like cognitive and memory. Oh yeah, yeah. Sorry. I think we think performance has just, you know, physical intent. That's great. That's a great way to put it into motivation, mood, selfcontrol, you know, all that. And also competitions underperformed. Question before we, I coached you. Okay. How did you choose your fuel? Alright, what, what was the motivating factor behind you choosing your macros? Are Your fuel? Where did you learn? Who told you what, what you say?

Chad: 12:04 So for me it was clean calorie deprivation. Okay. So it was um, how do I get the cleanest food? When I say clean, I, I'm not talking like we use the word you and I are using the word clean in this podcast as fat, right? Or more fat burn when I use the word clean for the old way of operating and the old way that I would eat. It was a, I was looking for really just vegetables that were organic and not used any pesticides not used and, and, and all of that kind of stuff. And I avoided fat, like avoided fat. Okay. So it was all, it was all like vinegar based fat free salad dressings and you know, all of that kind of stuff. So I was, it was large salads that were mostly organic veggies and um, and a little bit of protein and, and then I would eat powdered protein, but yeah, so my, my main goal was clean.

Eric: 13:08 Okay. But who motivated you or where did you learn to make that choice? Okay. So you chose your fuel, but what told you fat was bad? What told you that? Veggies are good. Was it internet, Doctor Government, uh, the food industry, pushing this stuff. So obviously we have all this who all can control. Okay. I grew up in the time when one man ancil keys convinced people and the government took over in 77 to make that choice for me. It said, you don't eat the fat, you replace it with carbs, grains, breads, pasta. Get rid of the saturated fat, get rid of cholesterol. I let them make the choice for me. Okay. Which who else do you follow? You trust the man. And so then the food industry took over and said, yeah, every label we have, we're going to shove this down. Your throat.

Eric: 14:04 Fat is bad and cholesterol is bad sugar shack, carb, carb, carb, and so that, that's, that's, and, and that's always the question I deal with is who's, who's in charge? And nowadays people, even my clients there, so flipping confused. It just, you know, we talked about this, you turn, everything's coming at you. A Paleo, this Vegan, vegetarian. I mean Atkins Kito I know under, you know, we have to have this for Nolan. People just throw their hands up and, and you did make a choice. You read something on the internet or talk to friends and said, okay, the doctors are still control. Even people that are key to with me and I coach them once their cholesterol get checked in, it's the Ldl is higher and the total cholesterol, instantly the doctor's in control. He says, get off, get off fat now you need to be statens now that person person's now lost control because the doctor took over and then I have to battle that and argue about what the doctors say, saying and, and, and then I have my, my work cut out for me.

Eric: 15:15 So I, I think I. go ahead, sorry.

Chad: 15:19 I was just going to say we could say the same thing for our why's too right? Who is controlling your. Why is it, is it the world's opinion exactly, of how you look. Is it your competition's opinion, the audience's opinion or is it yours? Is it how you feel? Is it, you know, so are you in control or is the world controlling your why as to why you are are doing ketosis?

Eric: 15:46 Yes. And that's perfect. And that's it. And as a coach and especially, you know, when I get into their blood markers and then I get into the genes, it just puts a lot of heavy responsibility because I wish I would've known mine genetic structure. I mean there's so many when I'm dealing with people and it's amazing on their genes because on the keto, what's so cool about it?

Eric: 16:12 And, and, and I really mean this is, there's synergy. I what nutritional program can you take different aspects of it and put it together in synergy. So let's say nutritional Ketosis, what comes with that? Number one, we have calorie restriction. Well, boom, everybody knows calorie restriction promotes longevity. We have intermittent fasting three day fast, five day, seven, day fast. We all know the mechanism through that. We lower cellular respiration, we lower the oxidative stress, reactive oxygen species, less free radicals and, and I'm not gonna repeat all this stuff I've talked about so many times, but then again, jump on that. We have a tough age. Then we have so that regeneration cleanup, rebuild, get rid of those old folded proteins, make new ones. Then number two, we have low carb. Wow, that's awesome. We're lowering our insulin, we're lowering our glucose, we're lowering that blood blood sugar, so now we get rid of insulin resistance.

Eric: 17:10 We're controlling our carbs, we're getting ready, but metabolic disease, our cholesterol is change. Our hdl goes up, our triglycerides go down, you know, prediabetic. The list goes on. Then we have the third, we have Beta hydroxybutyrate molecule. We have really something, not just an energy molecule but a therapeutic molecule. Now we're even getting deeper into and so I'm like, oh my goodness, we have, we have the synergy of this pro, this type of nutritional ketosis. Sure, you can get number one and do really well. Still the calorie restriction and fasting without being, you know, you're probably going to get keto if you're really fasting and calorie restriction, low carb. If you're not keto, sure you benefit from lowering your insulin and your glucose and three, if you add Beta into the mix, then boom. That's all I can say. I mean, it's amazing when you get into this, this synergy of it.

Eric: 18:07 What changes your hormones? We're talking insulin, igf amp, k Yo, creating more mitochondria. MTOR drops down. Fox so goes up. I mean your PGC Alpha. I could just go p par, gamma. I mean the things that we're all looking for continuously and I'm dealing with these as genetics, nerf two and of Kappa b. These are, it's amazing where it touches base with all the proinflammatory cytokines from the NLRP three that negotiates tnf initiates that then that initiates nf Kappa B and out of Kappa B in an nation initiates all is pro inflammatory issues. I could go on for hours about the therapeutic benefit, but I'm. I'm just trying to get at the synergy of it. It, it's amazing what, what, what we keep I'm teaching. I think sometimes we forget, maybe I'm getting a little too excited here, but sorry about that, but I just don't see anything out and I'm sure Paleo has its benefits in the other ones do anything that's going to reduce your carbs, in my opinion, you're going to benefit from.

Eric: 19:12 But when you throw in the Beta hydroxybutyrate molecule, which you know we can, I mean, you, you, you, you've experienced some of the real benefits of what the cuter genic you know, program, diet, nutrition with the Beta, you know, uncoupling your proteins, which reduces oxidative species, increasing your Mitochondria, which are what we want. We want more of that. More ATP. Your blood sugar reacts. You know, I said free radicals. We all know reactive oxygen species. We know we're going to get more ATP production electrotransport chain. We know it's going to jump in. You know, after the first complex, which that's where you get all your electron leakage. Those are free radicals. We're going to increase your superoxide dismutase. We're going to your pgce alpha. Is one the most important factors in controlling your mitochondria health? Uh, your Fox was the list goes on. I could just go on and

Chad: 20:08 Let me ask you this. When you, when you went from being Vegan to keto, why, why did you jump over to keto? Other than you're just crazy. You like to try everything?

Eric: 20:21 Uh, Ben, Greenville. That's really why I. But what was he talking about? What aspect of that was like athletes are incorporating the Beta hydroxybutyrate molecule through Ketosis, burning fat as an energy and conserving your glycogen and going longer, faster, harder with more power output. That's why I didn't, it was completely, but I still, since I was a Vegan, I was really into health and nutrition and then I thought, all right, how am I going to incorporate fat? You're telling me fat. So then I had to go into studies and research it before I made the leap. I wanted to make sure that I wasn't gonna, you know, atherosclerotic heart disease and my course. I went, I got beat up by the past, but you know, I was smarter.

Eric: 21:18 I'm not smarter than some, but I actually knew a little bit more about that stuff, so I, I dove into it and made the choice, but the motivator was performance as far as in a race and then then the, the Beta just got ahold of me and I thought, and that's why I'm talking about it now because I actually, I've been to conferences, low carb conferences, I've been all over and I don't hear the word, I hear ketones, but there's no one specifying about the Beta hydroxybutyrate molecule so much. It's low carb. Fantastic. But I'm, I'm just Kinda, I'm trying to bring beta back in the conversation. It's there, but I want to bring it back in the conversation because that molecule is just not a metabolite for energy. It's not, it's therapeutic and everything that we can derive from this type of nutritional Ketosis, I can, I can change.

Eric: 22:14 You can change your pathways of all your hormones and your enzymes and, and, um, uh, your, uh, your genes, especially in the genetic, you know, in all honesty, every time I get into like PGC errors, a sod too, which is you're a super oxide dismutase, um, in your p par Alpha, these to make corrections in these genes that you have a mutation. It's just amazing what the fixes are. They get right back to calorie restriction, fasting, heated genex exercise. I'm like, aw, back nrf2 all this stuff. Comes right back to it. It's amazing. I was really surprised how many genetic mutations through, through your nutrition of course is how we can change the expression. It's really exciting. It really is. And I, I, I got an, I have, you know, I have a lot of clients and they have some pretty good homozygous mutations all the way from, you know, some strong ones, tnf or even the superoxide dismutase and p par Alpha, which is real critical for ketosis.

Eric: 23:27 I'm just so many more. Even in the vitamin BCO one and, and mother effer gene. And the list goes on and it actually, you know, it puts me on a personal level with my clients because you know, I'm not a doctor, I'm just giving them recommendations and sometimes I have to say, you see your doctor, if you have the Brca one, Brca two or even the AP three, four, four, four Alzheimer's in breast and ovarian cancer and heart disease issues. And I have to say see your doctor, but at least we're getting on top of it. But it really comes back down to nutrition. You are what you eat and you actually become what you eat. So I'm trying to. I'm trying to bring data back and I know I have all, you know, I can really go in deep in the and the benefits of Beta.

Eric: 24:20 Even in the brain. Remember we talked about the mpt. That's at def switching in the Mitochondria in the brain. We all, we all, we want our brain neurons. We want, we want to keep expanding them through bdnf and other ways and, and Beta preserves that kind of blocks that desk switch or prevents it from happening to save. Yet Mitochondria that cell from going a to to a pope ptosis, which is death, so that's protecting a mitochondrial and that's through Beta and then there's so many benefits were peripheral and brain therapeutic effects of the Beta molecule. The, the list goes on guys. It really does give it just a podcast on the list, but I know I talk about it a lot, but I'm just trying to motivate, you know, get a message across a therapeutics. Great. It's so fantastic and so is this aesthetic, but don't get discouraged.

Eric: 25:16 Your body's going to fight you on, on your body composition. You're going to get that. I call it the therapeutic set point where your body, your brain says, Hey, I want this fat here is not hurting anything. You're not in metabolic syndrome. It's actually going to pause. It's actually beneficial. You do get some positive hormone general coming from fat cells and different things. Maybe that set point saying, Hey, I'm going to fight you on this, but you still got Beta and you are calorie restriction and fasting and all of the benefits of that. Uh, it's, it's endless. You know, and I'm, maybe I'm older, I worry about it a little more than you.

Chad: 25:54 I think that's definitely true.

Eric: 25:56 I'm all about longevity right now. I'm trying. Maybe I'm hip. I mean I'm scared. I don't know.

Chad: 26:04 So that's, I mean that's really the main point of this conversation. Why you wanted to have this conversation about Beta again, and our why is because, you know, you, you've mentioned in previous podcasts is we're, we're experiencing a lot of people are experiencing a stall in their composition goals, which if anybody hasn't listened to us for some time, um, just to be clear, when we talk about composition or body composition, we're talking about weight loss, muscle building, how you look and the aesthetics of your body composition is what we're talking about. So, um, you know, a lot of people a stall and um, the hope is your hope is that there's not too much discouragement and that people can understand like even if there's a slight stall in what you're in your composition goals or, or what you're working towards for composition, you're still getting the cleanest, most efficient and clear burn you can fuel, right? So, um, so don't, don't jump off just because you experienced this stall, continued to get the therapeutic benefits, which ultimately the best one probably is, is a tough gig. And um, you know, a snip, snip, reversal mutation. So those are probably the greatest one. So the point is, don't, don't jump off so quick. They'll only pay attention to the, to the composition

Eric: 27:45 The important part is you remember year you're going to have stored energy through glycogen or through stored fatty acids, right? Remember, when you store triglyceride, that's a fatty acid. It's a long chain triglyceride. It's like 12 to 21 carbons. All right, so you're going to have that stored if, if that can be converted into something besides just energy, which the muscles love at the heart, loves it, your brain can't take it, but it has to be converted to a ketone to Beta. Okay, so you're. You're going to burn it either way, so if you're going to use the fatty acids, which are great to be a fuel source, then you imagine we'll get an extra big benefit from it and and go through the conversion and get some key talent. Get some Beta go on, and if you're not in Ketosis and you're just gonna, take that fatty acid, which is a great energy source for muscles in the heart, but the brain's always going to be saying, Hey, Gimme glucose, and remember Your Bay, your liberal giddy about a hundred to 150 grams of of ketones and Beta per day.

Eric: 28:47 And remember you need at least 80 grams of glucose. I'm not ragging on Glucose, but remember your glucose when you're in Beta. I mean, when you're in Ketosis, remember you're going to get a certain amount of those 80 to 100 grams, I think it's like 10, 10, 11 grams comes from the ketone bodies from glycerol, from a no, from acetate. That's actually from acetate from the ketone body. Then you're going to get so much 30 something 40 from the lactate and pyruvate, it's recycled. Then you get 20 from the glycerol, from your fatty acids, ma'am, that triglyceride, and then the rest comes. If you need some protein, amino acid, Alan, nene or something will be converted gluconeogenesis. So you just saving that glucose for all everything else it needs it. Those intermediate and your Krebs Cycle, you red blood cells and everywhere else people always tell you're not getting enough glucose, but you're not using the brain. The brain's going take 150 grams of 140 a 150 grams of glucose a day from you. So here you've got ketones for all that and the other stuff is just spared for all your important stuff. So don't worry about your glucose. I'm not bagging on glucose. Okay?

Chad: 29:56 So talk to me as you work with your clients and you see this, you see them start to slip into a forgetting their why or not recognizing all of the benefits that they're getting from um, ketosis and just focusing maybe on one aspect, whether it's not reaching a body composition goals or you know, different stuff like that. They're only folks. How do you help them come back to the whole picture? The whole why?

Eric: 30:28 Uh, they probably just what I said today on this podcast, they're probably like, ah, I've heard this before. I tried to bring them back to the real reason of what the benefits exactly, you know, down, you know, pretty nitty gritty of what, what the Ketosis can do for you besides a static. So I really try to bring them back to the purpose of it and you know, and I tell them, I look more when you give me your, your blood sugar and your Beta readings every day, every other day. I look at that. That's exciting to me because I know you have low insulin. I know you have Beta, now I know what it's doing. I know what it's doing for you. You may not know all the way what it's doing, but I know and when I see the scale, I'm happy when you're losing weight, that's kind of what your first goal was, but it's not what matters to me. If if you're. If you're a 250 pounds and you have no metabolic syndrome and your biomarkers, blood markers are all fantastic and your cholesterol, your blood lipids, and you're in Beta, then I'm saying you should be one happy individual. No, I don't. I'm not taking away from that. There's healthy people that are there, still classified as obese, but if you don't have any of the markers and your. You're no atherosclerotic issues or anything, then I'm excited when I see you in beta and your blood sugars down. Very excited.

Chad: 31:58 Yeah. That's great. So this has been. This has been good. I think there's a lot of of people who, especially our listenership and your clientele who have been in Ketosis for a while now and we're starting to get a little bit. Well, we've almost been doing this podcast for a year now, which is a, again, I can't believe that. Um, so, uh, I mean we're on our, if you include our Sunday Supps were, were over a hundred episodes, which is, yeah, which is phenomenal. So, um, I think all that to say we're getting some age behind us now and um, and some time and some and there are people who have been in it with us for a long time, um, and are experiencing some doubt as to why they're doing it or experiencing some stalls are experiencing these different things. And, and our message I think today is just don't forget about all of the benefits.

Eric: 33:00 No, go ahead. I'm sorry. I, I think what gets me is when I see Alzheimer's and cardiovascular disease and diabetes and all these disease states that are, are getting so, you know, fatty liver and all I know in it, and I don't have any real, I have relationships in cancer but not in Alzheimer's. My wife does and it's, it, it's, it's a brutal, brutal. I'm not taking away from other diseases, but she experienced it just very, very sad, very, very sad. And what's exciting is this pathway that you're on and Keto, genesis it. I can go into Alzheimer's. What is the benefit of it, what it does and counters and the Beta amyloid and heart disease and cancer. It's so you watch it. This is going to be very, uh, cancer treatment. This mitochondrial metabolic theory is coming and you'll see this really become an anticancer treatment. I really believe that. And it's, it's getting there in other countries they're using it for, for, for cancer treatment. So I'm just saying it, but I wish I was young doing this.

Chad: 34:13 I want to, I'm going to put an invitation out there to our listenership. I will always love opportunities for us to interact with our listeners because then we can know our message is actually being heard and we can help people. But I, I'm going to put out an invitation. If you have been in Ketosis, I don't care how long you've been in it, if you're feeling any kind of discouragement in any area of it, uh, we want to hear about it. You can find us on facebook. You can find us. Instagram is probably better. We've been a lot more active on instagram that we have on facebook lately. Um, it's at @biofit_coaching on instagram. Go on their message. US, we would love to hear where your discouragement is, if you're experiencing it. Um, and you know, see what we can do to help remind you of some, of maybe the other benefits that you're experiencing that are much, much greater than what you, because you can't, you don't know that your body is going through autophagy, you know, or you don't know that you're fighting cancer cells or you know, all that kind of stuff.

Chad: 35:16 So hopefully we can give you a little bit of encouragement and a little bit of love and, and keep you going because we feel really passionate about this and that people are taking care of themselves through their nutrition. So that's my invitation to you, is very specifically let us know if, if and where your discouraged and uh, see if we can help out.

Chad: 35:39 Yeah, that's great. That's great. Anything else you want to just finish off this conversation? We'll just get started back up on it. So I got, I get passionate about some things and you know, in coaching I, I develop a relationship with those I coach and it's, it's personal and I care. I care about them and I worry. So care, worry almost to a fault. That's true. That's probably. But I just want this podcast to just keep you reiterating the strength and you know, hey, I'm open to other things and when science, if it does change, I, I, I will challenge it and I'm not blind. I will take it and say oh, I'll learn from it. If something does come up I'll challenge it. So I'm not just, I'm not just down this path with without my eyes open my ears and I want to make sure what I teach and what I coach is correct. And, and it's a science is behind it. Okay. So I'm just doing the best I can on that.

Chad: 36:43 Eric does his homework too much close out. I do want to make sure we mentioned bioStak. We've been mentioning it for a couple of weeks now. As this episode comes out, we're going to be getting very, very dangerously close to having it released, um, and start shipping to our first are early birds and like I've mentioned in other episodes, we are offering an early bird buyin on the bioStak by and that was a weird term to use, but you can only our podcast listeners and our instagram followers are the only ones that are going to know about bioStak in this first run and stack is a supplement stack that eric has developed over three years and uh, and we're now just now getting it to market. And it is unreal. I'm not going to go into it. You can listen to the other episodes if you haven't it to hear me go off about it.

Chad: 37:44 But it has changed mine and my wife's life quite literally with energy clarity, a performance, all of that kind of stuff. So I am stoked to get this out there. You can go to biostak.com and it's a stack does not have a c, it's a bio b i o s t a k.com and you can get on our mailing list and the mailing list is the only way that you will know that we are now shipping and that you can order. So go to bioStak.com. Check that out, get on our list, our early bird list as a listener, as a follower on instagram. And we love you to join us on this journey. It's, it's incredible stuff. So, uh, thanks for thanks for that Eric. By the way, I haven't publicly thanked you on this podcast. I, I can't, I, I'm not. I'm telling you like I'm not.

Chad: 38:37 This is not me blowing any kind of air. We are addicted, are addicted and, and I notice immediately if it becomes like 10:00 in the morning and I haven't taken my bioStak, I know it. And, and uh, so anyway,

Eric: 38:56 I'm excited I won't go in and you get me started on that. I'll be an hour, but I am very passionate about that stack and it. It took three years and everything. I had to get it to the point where it made sense. It was right. The science is behind it and if you're not keto, the stack is so important for keto and Non keto. It, it, it really is going to help you and mandatory flammatory antioxidant won't go into too. I better. I better stop right there.

Chad: 39:24 It helps it. I've noticed a huge difference in keto and my wife is not in keto and she loves it just the same as her energy for yoga is she says is totally different and

Eric: 39:38 in fact I always tell that to my orthopedic surgeon that yet they don't understand how I'm still operating on these knees that both need to replace as you know, and they're light and they're just. I don't understand it. And I said, well, I will send you the answer and that was probably two years ago. In a couple of years I will send you the answer why I'm still functioning at this high level, so I've got to send some bottles out to this guy, a couple of different orthopedic surgeons.

Chad: 40:07 That's cool. Well, thanks for biohacking with us today event and I want to thank you for joining us on this quest for optimal fitness. If you're ready to begin your own journey and live your life and Ketosis, be sure to check out biofitcoaching.com or biofit coaching on instagram that handles @biofit_coaching in this podcast has helped you in any way we encourage you to consider going to itunes and leave us a five star rating and a glowing review helps us reach more people. And finally, the greatest compliment that you can give us is sharing this podcast with those you love, the ones who need it the most,

Chad: 40:40 and until next time stay keto.