7/4/18 E45 The Effects of a 7-Day Fast on a Body in Ketosis (Eric’s Experiment)

So how does Eric end a 7-day water only fast? With a Spartan race of course! Eric just completed another self-experiment to test the limits of the body and the effect beta has on it. Fortunately, he is alive today to tell the tale. He also got a DEXA scan done right after to see the changes in his bio-markers. He shares that and more in today's episode. AND Happy 4th of July to all our American listeners!

Beta and autophagy, how well do they get along?

What workouts did Eric do during the fast to prepare for the Spartan?

Euphoria and Fear (in the same week!)

How much did Eric drop during 7 days of fasting?

The sandbag faceplant...perfect way to start the race!

"I have beta, I have beta, I have beta..."

Climbing a rope with no legs (and crashing to the ground after...)

What did Eric learn to share with others?

Eric talks his next planned self-experimentation AND why he does all of this. Why does he push his body and beta to the limit during these crazy self-experiments? Well, it has something to do with YOU.

If you have any questions on this episode (or any questions in general) don’t hesitate to reach out to us at bioteam@biofitcoaching.com, or submit a question on www.lifeinketosispodcast.com

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Eric: 00:00 My wife gets kept saying, if you die on me, you never get every kid. I'm like, wow, it'd be dead. I'm going to be gone. My kids are like, dad, why are you doing this? It's not where they. What are you doing?

Chad: 00:13 They say journey begins in a single step, or in my case, one less piece of bread.

Chad: 00:22 My name is Chad and I'm your test subject. I have sought out an expert in the field of nutrition and fitness. Well, I hope it helped me feel better. They call him the biohacker, but I call him Eric. I hope you'll join me on a path of leads, you and I to optimal fitness as we live our lives in ketosis. This is the life in Ketosis podcast, a biohackers guide to optimal body performance.

Chad: 00:56 Hello everyone. My name is Chad and this is my quest to achieving optimal body performance with the man that can get me there. The biohacker himself. Mr Eric Bischof. Every episode. Eric gives us his crazy intense. I fast for seven days before my first spartan race just to see what happens. Sciencey knowledge and I break it down with my regular non cray crazy guy take as we explore the principles of ketogenics and KPR performance training. Whether you're just looking for a way to feel better or if you're an elite athlete looking for that edge. We're here to help. And today we're talking about Eric Spartan race. This is, this is crazy. You are still alive. That's where all thankful for that. You didn't die. Yes. Give us some background. I mean we've talked a little bit about this in past episodes, but not everybody's listened to those. And, and uh, you know, we should, we should bring people up to speed a little bit. You had quite an experience this past week.

Eric: 01:55 So did I, uh, and as you probably know from the podcast, I embarked on a seven day water only fast with just some electrolytes to get me through a. It was all planned. Everything was a worked out. I had my, my very tough glycogen depleting type of workouts because this, this test was course autophagy. And we've talked so much about that. I'm not, I don't need to go into that on this podcast, but of course you know autophagy is one of the main reasons, but it was also a test to really push the energy energy expenditure in the glycogen pathway, not in the Mitochondria, the cellular respiration where you can go long endurance and hard that's coming up next time on a test, but this one was the more high intensity glycogen depleting and show my workouts during that week, which I filmed that documented everything on my blood markers, everything Dexa, etc.

Eric: 02:52 So I really pushed the glycogen depletion workouts, which they really kicked my butt. They really my butt and even in a normal week they would kick my butt So It was all planned out, all the workouts and I wanted to end with my first spartan still fasting, but that was the last, the ending of my fat. I knew territory Chad. I to know where I was going to be, where I was going, if I was going to live. I had fears. I know the science behind this, but then again it's my body. I'm 62 and then my wife and many others putting the fears into my, into my head about dying or having cardiac or so there was a lot of those things, you know, coming into the mind to play head games on me, which normally I'm really strong about that, but I had to remind myself I am 62 and I've never done this before and blah blah blah. So, so it was really interesting how those mimetic means that you grow up with about you, you got to eat or you'll die. You got to have energy or are you going to die? You can't do this, you can't starve, you can't. In some of those just kept bouncing back in my head a little bit and I was surprised that it worked on me that way.

Chad: 04:11 Okay, so let's talk to us why? I mean you, you explained the science that you wanted to understand, but what I really want to know is why. Why, why did you decide, especially for your first spartan race too fast for seven days before? I mean, just just bring me into Eric Brain, just a minute. help me understand why, why you went after this, because most people are going to look at this and go, man, this is, this is crazy and I think there's a little part of all of us that want to know why,

Eric: 04:48 why, you know, and that's what my wife and a lot of people ask me why? And so, you know, I am such an advocate and I preach and I train and I teach this beta hydroxy butyrate molecule. Okay? So we know that molecule as an energy molecule, alright, I talk about it, you know, many, many times.

Eric: 05:09 We also know it as a therapeutic molecule, you know, precancer disease, inflammation, everything we've talked about. And we also know that it also enhances a tough dog. Okay? So on This one I, I know I wanted to push the energy molecule portion of it, okay? I really wanted to say beta, let's put you to the test and let's go and nutrient deprivation, which means no energy coming in dietary. Okay? So we're going to rely solely on what my body can produce as an energy source. Okay? Because you know, we're all worried about not eating, you know, we're glucose dependent every two hours. And I'm like, you know why our bodies, I preach it, we don't need food every day, every two hours, all right, we don't need it. So let's take and push another self experiment to then limit to the max and deplete all my energy source.

Eric: 06:04 That immediate energies, your glycogen. Okay? And so that's what stored aright. So I said, let's go after that energy pathway so I can show I can get rid of that through all my workouts during the week and hardly let it, you know, replete itself because all I'm getting is glycerol for my triglycerides and some gluconeogenesis to help bring that glycogen. Remember that glycogen in your liver, it's in your muscles. That's your stored energy from glucose. Okay? So I said, let's, let's put beta to the test and see if I can force beta that hydroxy beauty molecule to give me that high intensity replacement of glycogen for strength in that kind of really fast, high intensity burst type of workout. And so that's, that's what the goal. That's what I set out to do. That was the goal. That was the plan and I said, alright, glycogen depleting you beta.

Eric: 06:58 You better come through for my basic and without losing muscle mass, and so I just said, let's make show people and those out there that you can actually just do fantastic with fatty acids as your energy source because really that is the best energy you have. You know, glucose is good, boom, boom, boom, glycogen fast, fast, but for longterm, even short term that I'm doing my experiments on to show that you can actually adapt to using beta in a short term type of power output. And so that's, that's what it was for. That's why, and I was nervous the whole because when you do these glycogen depleting these obstacles, you're its pull and push and it's fast. It's 20 seconds. Every ounce of muscle you have which is glycogen and the foster will creating that pathway and glycogen. You know, going lactate, of course you're not going to jump into your mitochondria and and use your beta unless you're really adapted to build to do that.

Eric: 08:00 And I believe that my body has been kidney, so adapted that I can actually pull beta in because I wanted to deplete the glycogen. Where am I going to go? Where am I going to go for energy? If my glycogen glycogens gone, Chad, what am I going to go? I gotta go mitochondria, beta, I cellular respiration. And so that was a test and I figured ending with a spartan, you, you either do it or you fail or you fall, your arms give out. I mean if you don't have the glycogen or something giving you that, that atp production in that blast of power, you're going to drop it. It says, no, you're done. So that's why I picked the spartan. I've never done a spartan. And I ended up picking the worst spartan. I heard the sprInts and I always check my courses beforehand. And I watched a lot of videos on people doing it, but I never saw those hills. I never saw it. It was just insane. It was insane. It was insane when I got. I'm sorry.

Eric: 09:06 Oh yeah. I was going to talk about the race a little bit. It was, it was the hardest is almost like an iron man because it was such a depletion of energy because, and I and I had cramping issues, which if I didn't have those, I've really been able to really keep a good steady pace on the run. But my hammies right from the get go the, the, the night before they just went, they just, I started cramping because it hydrated out. I sweated the night before. So, so bad. Yeah.

Chad: 09:36 Before you get there, don't, don't, don't give away the farm right at the beginning.  So let's talk about the first few days building up into this. And I'm going into your fast. I mean, one thing I will mention that was really cool about this this past week was that not only were you fasting during your seven day fast for the spartan race, we also had fasted state going, which was pretty cool, which is the new workshop we're doing where we walk people through a three day fast, well a three day, five day or seven day fast. Um, and we all do it together and support each other. So you kind of had that at your back and your yourselves. I'm sure that helped a little bit. I'm also maybe to distract you a little bit and I had,

Eric: 10:23 Other BioFitters I coach were fascinating too and some joined in for three, three days of my journey on that seven days. So that, that really helped a lot too.

Eric: 10:31 So I got a lot of support from them. So. But it was great. So to start off the fast, it was on a saturday night, saturday afternoon and actually I started my fast and I, like I said, I had the workouts all planned ahead. So the first morning I was doing a uh, a four mile trail run with a 60 pound half mile sandbag carry all hills. Okay. Not like the ones in boise, but they were rollers, good rollers, good good trails. And so I started off with that show. I made sure each day I had a workout and so one workout would Consist of a four mile trail run with a 60 pounds a sandbag, and the next day would be a 15 minute total muscle glycogen, high intensity depleting workout as fast as hard as I could with ropes and pulleys and, and pull ups and everything.

Eric: 11:20 All organIzed around certain amount of rounds. I have it all filmed. I filmed all of it. And so I have each day I had a real, uh, one of those workouts each day and then thursday at backed off a little bit and then the friday before, which is the six day, I said, I better try to arrest. So I started out and I weighed myself. I did blood markers In the morning, uh, my blood sugar, my ketones. Then in the afternoon I weighed myself every morning I took pictures of myself, my body composition. I had my dexa done, Chad again the day before, uh, I started my fast and I have my dexa done and I have my results here in my hand, my blood markers I'm waiting back for. So I got those done after, uh, uh, after the race, um, when I got back here and so those results are waiting to come.

Eric: 12:10 So I kept track of everything, but as far as I felt the first day, you know, I've fashion, you know, many times and all the fast started out really good the fIrst day, second day, no, no, no hunger a little bit on the second day it always happens, but the workouts were really tough show. I was feeling these little more glycogen depletion with these workouts. I could feel my muscles fatigue and a, a little at a faster rate than my other fast. Usually you fast, you don't really work out that hard, but thIs one I had to push and move really, really hard. So did you ever reach that kind of euphoric? Yes. Yes I did. Yep. It, the third day. Fourth day is when I started going into where I started feeling really good. Uh, cognitive wise. Okay. Uh, I felt good physical, I wasn't hungry.

Eric: 13:02 Uh, I was around food quite a bit. Uh, those cooking meals and things like that. Uh, I was studying quite a bit, working out hard, and then the fifth day is when the cognitive really started to kick him again, was the fifth day. But I think what was different about this fast Chad was because I incorporated a race into it and it was one that I trained really hard for. And so addIng the race stress with traveling, getting there, the race never done one. Adding that cortisol additive to my regime, it made it tough. It really, it changed a lot of factors. I wasn't ready for it because I could feel. I just kept thinking about the race. Am I going to get through it? Can I pull this off and am I going to have the strength, am I going to fail? Am I going to get up the top of that rope and just fall, you know, I didn't know.

Eric: 13:58 I had no idea what to expect. so I think and I suffered in bringing that into the picture. it added a lot of stress to, to the fast, and I could feel a little bit of it. I really could because I kept thinking about it. dreaming about it and I was trying to relax and calm down, but if you're not eating and doing anything else, you're just kinda in that mind state. So other than that that euphoric a cognitive. I worked hard. I tried to keep my studies up. I was working on genetics for clients and that really helped a lot get my mind. but as far as food, Chad is cravings not as fine. I was around people cooking bacon and eggs up at boise and a bunch of keto people. I do smell keto, fat bombs and food and so I was, I, I was, I was getting there like, okay, I'm ready to eat a meal because I just smell it.

Eric: 14:49 It all the time, but I hung tough and, and stayed mentally is as strong as I could without all the fears of injuring myself or, or going down. So I have to admit I was. I actually had fear on this one. I really did. I had some fear that I had to deal with and because I never, never, never done. My wife kept saying, if you died on me, you never get over it. I'm like, well, it would be dead. I'm going to be gone. My kids are like, dad, why are you doing this? What are you doing? Because I have a brother that's older nine were from the answer keys period of saturated fat issues and he has two, three stents in them right now and he's, he's older than I am. And he always thought he had a great heart and everything else and cardio wise and next thing you know, angiogram, boom. And so I don't know what's lurking, you know, on the other side of my arterial walls from the past. So, you know, other than that, my blood markers all that great. So that gave me confIdence.

Chad: 15:51 So talk about the day, talk about the day before day and night before. So you, you worked out throughout the entire fast but then you just, you took a break the last day, um, and uh, and maybe experienced some anxiety and race jitters and that kind of stuff. Talk a little bit about that and what that was like to experience that stuff. While fasting.

Eric: 16:14 I wish I was not doing it. That's how much fear I had on friday. I said, oh my gosh, I would love to back out and I thought maybe I will trip and bust my hand. Maybe something will. Emergency will come up at home. I got to go guys. Sorry I'm out. Because I knew. I just didn't know if I was up to the pain threshold. I was so worried about the cramping and I had no cramps during the week. My electrolytes were fine.

Eric: 16:42 I felt really good, even all my workouts, but the day of the day before the race friday, I couldn't fall asleep. I never do pre erased. I have the worst nights possible and all of a sudden I just laid there and stared at the ceiling and a new morning was going to come and I thought, oh great. I gotta I gotta do this, and then I fell asleep and then I woke up at 2:00 AM and I was literally soaked. I had my shirt and my shorts. I had to get up, change change. The sheets were so I couldn't. You couldn't even lay on them, and I was like. Then I went into panic mode like, oh my gosh, I am dehydrated now. I just lost so much fluid and electrolyte. How am I going to replenish these in five hours? I went in panic mode, so I got up, I started drinking.

Eric: 17:27 I go, oh no, I'm going to dilute all my electorate. Like, oh my god. Now I take more electrolytes and it threw me off my game. I could not go back to sleep. I just laid there and I said, don't sweat, and all of a sudden I felt my forehead start sweating and then I felt my arm starts sweating and I just sat there and I was going to get up and take a cold shower and I was like, I don't know what's wrong. So anyway, that didn't really help and that's what initiated the cramping first. The first part of the race, I cramped up. The third obstacle is when my homies went and so, so at that morning was it. I just got up and I weighed myself. I tested. I was down at that time that morning. I was down 10 pounds from the start of the fast.

Eric: 18:11 I was down 10 pounds. I was 150.9 I think, and I was 1:40 something 1:40 point eight or whatever that morning. So I was. I was 10 pounds and so I knew there was a lot of flu. Yeah, that's a lot of weight loss and so that, that kinda worked out my head a little bit and thought, oh great. Okay, let's eric. You're good, you're good, you're strong, you can do this. You know, I started going through all those motions, but how's that guy? I can't drink that much water. So I did. I hydrated as much as I thought I could go, you know, my electrolytes in man said, eric, just take it slow and I promised my wife I would take it slow. A lot of people just take it easy. This is, like I said, new territory, so I didn't want to blow out.

Eric: 18:52 I don't crash and burn. I want her to cross the finish line. But the cramp. Yeah, it was scary when that gun went off. I really doesn't have a gun. It's a guy yelling a rule, a rule and all that stuff, but when I went out I thought, oh, here we go. Hi. That sick feeling in my stomach. I wish I could say.

Chad: 19:09 I would say say what do you attribute the, um, like the night sweats and that kind of stuff too. Is it nervousness or was there something biologically happening?

Eric: 19:18 Nerves. Nerves. Because I, the whole. I never sweat during a fast at all. I'm, I'm totally hydrated. I feel good. I made sure my fluids. We're all good. Electrolytes. I'm a pre-race crazy guy. Yeah. Am even asking my wife and kid pre-race, I just go into a panic kind of mode and I was trying to stay calm and it didn't work.

Eric: 19:42 It didn't work even though I wasn't racing for a podium on this usually because that will cause you to panic. I was racing to just finished and I still went into race panic mode, so I didn't calm it down. Maybe I'm mentally weak in that area. So something like somebody's got to work on something I got to work on. Yeah.

Chad: 20:02 So let's, let's jump into the race now. So you kind of talked about it starting and cramping on the third obstacle. Um, did those cramps ever go away? Were those a result of something by a biological or what? What do, what do you attribute that too?

Eric: 20:19 When we got to the, to the race, start all of a sudden they showed the hill that you climb at the very beginning. Within the first half mile it was a mountain and my heart just sunk.

Eric: 20:31 I have never. I haven't run up anything that steep. I said, are you got to be kidding me. Serious. Anyway, so what happened? They had the third obstacle is the 60 pound sand bag carry. And I thought, oh great, we'll get that done in the beginning. So probably better and I'm fresh to get. That's one of the hard ones. Soon as I got to there it, it was up a hill that you're on your tip toes and your knees are hitting the turf. That's how steep it is. And next thing I know, I thought, oh my gosh, and next to amp my ham. He just went on the right side, just pulled. And I went, oh my, I screamed like, no way. Next thing I know, here I am. I, I, I face planted and the 60 pound bag went around my neck and my head and just buried my face in the dirt and I'm trying to get up with 60 pounds on my neck, on my head and my feet are sliding out from underneath me.

Eric: 21:27 At least I was on a hill, so I was kind of 45. I wasn't like flat and I'm still a kid and I watched my neck trying to get up and just keep climbing and, and it was a mess all the way up my hand, me just locked again and again and I just plowed. And then the rest of the race I had to stop and rub it. Then went to the lefthand me then some calf issues and then a bicep left. Bicep pulled, cramped up. It just, it was just like one thing after another and I just thought, oh eric, you are, you're at one point I thought, I'm not going to finish this. Am I

Chad: 22:07 Did you really have doubts of finishing?

Eric: 22:08 Oh yeah, it hurts so bad. The cramps were not, not so much that I just would drive my fist in the back of it and just pushed so hard to.

Eric: 22:16 I got bruises, just tried to break it up and I said, and I was yelling out just yelling at myself, you know, so mad. That is hydration because I felt really good as far as cramping but, but when I tackled each obstacle, I just went into a different zone and con just went through the, the twister and all the on the monkey bars and the rope in the sled and the and the sandbag pull and I got them and I, my bicep was cramping, you know, but I just wouldn't let, I just wouldn't let it beat me basically. And I even said, hey, I was yelling, talking to us, said go ahead, tear. I don't care. You tear and then I'll stop. But unless you tear, I'm still gonna you get kinda crazy when you're out there. I've had food, having food, nutrients for seven days.

Eric: 23:07 So I was getting a little ditzy out there. I mean I was a little ditzy. I'll be straight, I got a little dizzy here and there. I dig it a little ditzy. I got a little bit too. Yeah, so

Chad: 23:17 I always love hearing stories of the self talk that happens through these kinds of experiences and just some of the mantras that people start using even if they don't know that they're using a mantra, you know, just just different ways of coping.

Eric: 23:32 I had, I had somebody, I had somebody next to me and go, what? What? Because I was talking to myself and all. I kept saying, I have beta, I have beta, I have beta, I have beta and that's, that's, that's what I have beta, I have beta and I'm sure people get tired of hearing it, but that's what I had to use.

Eric: 23:52 My, my daughter, my daughter raced it with me, not with me. She was an a group of half an hour ahead of me and she got out there with a camera when I was coming into the last four obstacles or so and all she, all she did was, you're just happy to see me. My wife was at the finish line, so she was just saying, where is he, where is he dead? Is he dead? And she finally saw me and she helped push me and I was trying to run and she was like run dad, run and I'm hobbling and uh, she was uh, it was a great support to see her. I just wanted to get this thing done. So.

Chad: 24:28 So, so finishing was the goal you weren't going for, weren't you told me ahead of time you weren't going for any kind of times or anything like that?  Finishing was the goal?

Eric: 24:39 Yeah. I didn't want to fail. I wanted to crush that. You jump fire at the end. I think that finished the moment where I was really happy with that, that I really threw down on all the obstacles was the last one is a rope climb and I thought all right here and I don't know how to climb the rope with legs. Like you do aj  hook and all that. And my daughter kept yelling at me, you use your legs, you wIll have no strength. I am like, yeah, you're telling me. I don't have any strength, I know this, you know, and so I got to the rope and it's it last obstacle. you can see the finish line up there and I looked at that and I said I got a beta and I jumped in and I climbed it with no legs all the way to the top and I, I see, I missed the bell and then I made another stab and I hit the bell and when I went back to grab the rope, I had no grip or nothing. I just slid down, burnt my hand. I felt the bottom. I didn't know how to go down either with legs, so anyway, but I got it with no legs at the end of a seven day fast and have a spartan with a left bicep that was just cramping, like no other. I pulled that off so I was real happy about that.

Chad: 25:53 That was all adrenaline.

Eric: 25:54 It was, it was, you know. And so the strength on the monkey bars and all the sled, I could honestly say I, I had strength and I didn't have glycogen. I know I had probably a little bit, but I'm using an energy source somehow some way to push that limit into, into the beta. So. So that was really, really good.

Chad: 26:15 So you crossed the fInish line. You're alive. Yeah. Tell us what, what happens post race? How did you feel? How did you break your fast? Uh, you know, kinda give us an idea of how everything unfolded. From there,

Eric: 26:28 I cross the finish line. My wife and my daughter were there and I did a, like a little film that I think shelton might've used on instagram. You'll see my kids told me that I was a little weird at the end. It wasn't quite all dad.

Eric: 26:45 I was like all over the place. I, I don't remember a lot of it today either drew and I was a little ditzy because I was exhausted. I literally was exhausted and the cramp, the pain. I was tired. I was hot, I lost, you know, I sweated a lot and I was just so happy. I just wanted to get on the ground and just lay down. I just was so happy it was over that the fast, the race, the, the pain in the muscles, I was just so happy it was over. I was like, I am done. I wasn't hungry, I wasn't thirsty. I felt nothing in that area at all. I wasn't sick. My stomach felt good and I was just, I was exhausted. I was. And so I was curious to see how fast I would bounce back after the race. I went and hosed myself off for like 10 minutes and changed and, and even my wife says, boy, you're, you're coming back here.

Eric: 27:41 You're talking good and you're feeling good. And I wasn't, I, I, I snapped right back after about half an hour. So getting washed up. I, I felt, I felt like eric, I felt good. I was sore. Don't get me wrong. I mean, my muscles were hurting. I wasn't, I wasn't walking very good. I looked like I was crippled but, but I was, I was very happy. It was over and I was um, I was very happy with the experiment. I really was. I was, I. So, um, what about breaking the fast? What did you eat? Was that planned out? What? You know what about right after the race? When I got out of the thing, I ate a couple of what they call u-can, it's super starch. So I had a couple of bars that will help replenish the glycogen right away. Then I've been depleted all seven days and in that type of workout.

Eric: 28:37 So I. And it's got a little bit of protein in it so I ate a couple of those bars, a least to get some glycogen to get some glucose, go on to get some, you know, some energy in there and a half an avocadao right there on the spot. That waS it. And then went home, showered and didn't. I drank, I drink some fluids of course, but I wasn't thirsty. I really wasn't. And then I said, okay, we went to Texas roadhouse and all I was craving, my whole fast was a blue cheese steak salad and that's what I crave. So I ordered it, ate half of it because I wasn't hungry. I really wasn't hungry. It was kinda kinda suck because I wasn't hungry, but I felt great. I felt great. I, I drank, got not like, I mean I had fluids and I went home and I had the other half avocado and some broccoli sprouts and I was, I really missed, you know, those foods during the week, collagen and all that stuff.

Eric: 29:35 my broccoli sprouts and everything. And my stomach came right back. I had no, not a ache, not a stomach issue. Next morning, next day, bacon and eggs. Everything back to normal. Completely normal, uh, stomach wise. Not, nothing, nothing at all. My urination, other movements are spot on, just I just rolled right back into it. So that was pretty pleased with that. Real quick, real pleased with that. No cravings. That's, that maple bar was a distance thought like ah, my maple bar and it's, you know, but it'll come, it'll come sooner or later. I needed because I have to do my dexa. So I needed to stay real keto and I need for my blood markers. I just wanted to refill exactly how I refuel before I did my blood marker and my dexa. So that's why I really maintained strict no, no overeating, no nothing, no. Just get right back to the same thing I've been eating everyday. So, so good. So let me ask you this.

Chad: 30:35 So, um, you coach a lot of people through fasting and I don't know if it, a lot of people that listen to this podcast, know that, that, that is part of both your elite training and then we also have a program or a workshop that we do called fasted state, which is really cool that I talked about earlier. The, the cool thing about you doing these, um, self experimentations is then we get to benefit from the lessons you learned. Then we don't have to go through those things and, and we get to learn those lessons. So can you talk about maybe a couple of things, one or two things that you learned from this experience that we're going to improve the, those who you coach through fasting, it's going to improve their experience and, and uh, you know, your experience with them. Great.

Eric: 31:22 The neatest thing that I've learned from these fast and especiallY their seven day fast is how amazing your body is, just how amazing it is and how, how, how if you leave it alone, it can reach its homeostasis and it'll function properly and you know, we're always trying to tell the body what to do and how to do this and how to do that and just from fasting and you just really regain an attachment to your body. Okay? You actually start feeling yourself and, and I think that's the greatest experience. A experience I can probably attach it to his learning that energy is you can manipulate energy if you want to, but your body's going to take care of energy in its own way. All right? If you allow the body to do what it's built to do and may to do and keep not letting the food industry and everyone else tell you what to do with your body, listen to your body.

Eric: 32:26 I actually would, you know, during that fast, I would crave certain nutrients. I could feel my body saying, hey, if you, if you have this, get it. You know, but, but if not I will throw a topic but I will go ahead and make sure you, you get it. And so like the human growth hormone, leucine, the proteins that you know through autophagy, all those organelles that are being regenerated, recycled, and to help rebuild during those crushing workouts that I had and during the time of nutrient deprivation that whole week, it just. And I share that with those that I coaches the, that how you really become one with yourself as far as your body. And I think fasting is just a fantastic opportunity for people to do that. And why don't you disassociate. I'm sacrificing food to where it's not even a factor.

Eric: 33:19 The food's not even a factor anymore. It's this is an opportunity not a sacrifice. And I keep telling people it becomes an opportunity not a sacrifice anymore. And that's how I treat fasting now. You know. So the next one I do is I'm going to say I can't wait. I have another seven day opportunity to come up and now now I'll be able to learn more about it. You know, attaching a race to it or something at the end. So that's, that's a lonely. I'm not adapted yet to that. So now I'm, I'm adapted to a workouts during there, but I'm not adapted to a finale race that has a lot on the line. If I fail I crash and burn and that doesn't look too good.

Chad: 33:58 That was my next question. You're going to do this again?

Eric: 34:00 Well, You know, I um, yes. So this one was glycogen depleting. This was after that short high intensity. So the next one is going to be a seven day fast and I'm going to do a half iron man. So I'm excited about that because I will definitely be into the mitochondria using my beta at a nice even steady pace, which I should have plenty of energy to do so. So I'm really excited to even do it with nothing during the race. Nothing, just all beta hydroxy molecule and fatty acids. So of course, and keep a nice steady pace. Don't go out there to the podium, just go out there to finish and, and really put it to the test. But I did, um, I did get my dexa done. Uh, so I do have those results.

Eric: 34:44 Chad, my blood markers, I don't have. So. So as far as fat,

Chad: 34:51 what changes, what changes did you see?

Eric: 34:55 I got some changes. So on the, um, on the fat loss, I lost four point three, five pounds of fat. So my percentages dropped to three point something percent, which I expected that. Okay. So the issue that everybody's concerned with is you're going to burn muscle tissue, your amino acids are going to go to gluconeogenesis and you're going to eat your muscle tissue for seven days. And plus the workouts I did remember I am pounding those workouts. So I am taking every bit of glycogen out. So sure, I had gluconeogenesis and I had glycerol coming from my triglycerides to supply that. You do get a, you get glucose from your acetone from a ketone. When you're in really serious nutrient deprivation, you're acetone, convert to a glucose, you get up to five, 10 percent. So I won't go into science yet, but there's avenues of getting glucose show my lean tissue, which I'm still working out the science behind it. But as far as the lean muscle mass, it shows I gained five point five, five pounds.

Eric: 36:00 So I, I keep flexing to my wife. I'm like, liquor that five. She's out, yo, shut up. So I know I lost no muscle mass, but I will confirm and go through the science of why it showed five point five pounds. Even the dexa people knew what I was doing there. They're behind the tests and they're like, all of a sudden when they read it off, she's like, this is impossible. This is impossible. There's no way you gain five pounds of muscle and you fasted for seven days and you worked out and all this stuff. So anyway, I thought that was pretty cool. Uh, so there's no, no, I lost my shirts and I worked out this morning and, and Chad and those out there, I have the same strength from before. My shirts feel exactly the same on the arms. I do have more vascularity. I lost some fat.

Eric: 36:50 Uh, and now, now I don't remember. I didn't, I didn't lower my metabolism. You, everybody says, oh, you lower your metabolism, you're starving yourself. Guess what's going to happen. You're at a lower rate. Soon as you start eating, all of that's going to go back to fat. You're going to gain your weight back. My brain was totally happy through the whole thing. It didn't have to tell the hypothalamus to, hey, lets shut these organs slowing down a little bit. Let's, let's use less energy inside here because this guy's not eating. It has all the beta it wants. It has all the energy source it utilized it, it didn't lower my metabolic rate at all. And I, and I'll test my dexa again to show that the weight loss that that occurred, what we'll will stay there, the fat will stay there. And uh, I'm not going to have any, any weight gain, uh, just some fluid gain of course, uh, as you get back. But anyway, but I, I have it all, all, you know, science scientifically mapped out on my deck, says and how many days it takes to get to homeostasis and that kind of stuff to bring everything back to normal.

Chad: 37:51 Very, very cool. So I just want to be clear, we're not suggesting that anybody go out and try to replicate this, especially if you do, you should be visiting physicians. You should be gettIng DEXA's and blood, uh, blood tests and, and really know what you're doing. so I want to make that very clear. If anybody's listening to this, eric, what are, what are some words that you have for them if they're, if they're liking the sound of something like this, what's, what's your advice?

Eric: 38:22 Really do your homework and do a lot of studying or make it simple on yourself and get coached through it. And I have some that I'm coaching through because it, it makes it so much safer if you really know what you're up against and like you do get your blood markers checked beforehand. So, you know, high blood pressure or anything like that. In fact, I had my, a hsc reactive protein, a tested the day before, uh, I started my fast and it just to see if there's any cardio inflammation, any type of issues and my body and it came back under one. You're great. It came back zero point eight. So that gave me some confidence, you know, from the forehand that, that there is no cardiac issues. That's one of the inflammation markers you look for and homocysteine and things like that. So that gave me confidence.

Eric: 39:13 So I'd definitely check your blood markers before you attempt something like this because it was very taxing on the body. I'm just letting yOu know, it's what I went through was definitely a lot of oxidative stress for sure. A lot of free radicals. So I'm really boosting up my broccoli sprouts and you know, that stack that I, I created a couple of years ago. It was the hardest thing being on this is not been able to tap into what I'm so used to giving me what I feel gives me my strength and my vitality and my energy is my stack. Broccoli sprouts, omega fish oil, omega three, all, all my college in all my liver, none of that all week. And it, it, it played on me like, oh, I'm not getting my, you know, my power food that I call my, my spinach and my big salads.

Eric: 40:06 So that plays on you a little bit to, you know, thinking I'm missing out on all that stuff, but yea the body came through. It's amazing what it can do. Really amazing.

Chad: 40:16 Yeah, that's incredible. Any final words about the experience altogether? I mean, we've, we've talked through the whole story of it. I think it's just absolutely incredible. Amazing. And I can tell you right now, I will never do it, but I have loved watching you do it. I'm just final words, final thoughts about this experience.

Eric: 40:37 All I'm trying to do is just set, not set the bar in any way, but just to set a confidence level out there that the beta hydroxybutyrate molecule is a fantastic molecule and it can do so much just besides just an energy molecule. A therapeutic one get you into a topic or you're fasting is fantastic. The ketosis just does wonders for therapeutic for the body and everything else.

Eric: 41:05 It's just I want to set, if I coach it, I want to take it to the max into the limit to let you guys know that, that, you know, it's been pushed further and further out there so you're safe in a lot of people are still afraid. Say hey, I, you know, I, I, I can't go without carbohydrates and I can't do this and that. Well it was an old guy like me can pull it off, you know, so I set the standard. There's others younger than me just take it over and passed me up and duke crazier things in may and it will be fun to watch and excitIng to see that this train is going and it's just going faster and faster. So as long as I'm healthy and long as I am in good shape, I will keep doing these seven days a water fast challenges and, and keep the story going and I'll keep it going.

Chad: 41:55 Is there a, is there a 10 day in store?

Eric: 41:57 No. No reason being is. Maybe there is. Okay. I can't say no, but to answer, I'd have my, my, my wife's not hearing me, so she probably hear this podcast of course, but she made me promise not to do a 10 day so I have to work on her because you know, she's, you know it because her family tells you like it was his eric insane, you know, he's going to die, you know that she's keto, she knows the power of it, but she just doesn't know, you know, you know what lurks in a 62 year old body. She's, she's alWays fearful of that. But no it 10 days probably there. That would be my, that's my cap. Uh, you know, and then then it'll be interesting. It's gonna be, it'll be a challenge. So the next one will be a half ironman, seven day and I'll document and there's a documentary coming out on this.

Eric: 42:52 You and I are obviously going to put it all together. I filmed on my workouts from about my way in. I filmed my blood testing and the whole story. So it'll be short documentary, but the interesting I hope.

Chad: 43:04 Yeah, absolutely. Well cool. I want to thank you for biohacking with us today, eric. Okay, well thanks.

Eric: 43:09 I'm glad. I'm happy to share my story and I'm happy I'm alive and I, I looked, I really actually looked forward to this day when I was out there on the course. I got a podcast. I've got to finish this. I'm going to live. I've got to get to. It actually motivated me because I have great people. I'm coaching. They are so supportive. They're cool and they're. And they love fasting now and they love their keto. So anyway, let's just keep going. I appreciate it.

Chad: 43:36 Yeah, absolutely. Well, we're, we're glad you're alive and you've finished as well because it made for a fantastic Story.

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