6/6/18 E41 The Secret To Keto Success… Gratitude: Joe’s Story

In this episode, we get the opportunity to sit down with Joe Fleck, one of Eric's one-to-one clients, someone that he lovingly refers to as one of his BioFitters. Joe has an incredible story that is inspiring on all accounts!

Joe is a recovering alcoholic and has been sober for many years.

Joe talks about how Keto has helped him take self-mastery to the next level.

Joe shares his insights from the 12 step program and how it applies to food and nutrition.

Joe attributes his success to an attitude of gratitude every single day.

Eric talks about the power of commitment.

Joe talks about the value of a coach.

Joe talks about the MANY benefits of being in Ketosis.


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Eric: 00:00 I don't think I'd even try that and I do a lot of crazy stuff, so

Joe: 00:04 I'm sure you would know.

Eric: 00:08 I can't even walk on pavement outside.

Joe: 00:12 People have been doing it for thousands of years. You know I'm nobody special.

Chad: 00:16 They say a journey begins in a single step or in my case, one less piece of bread.

Chad: 00:26 My name is Chad and I'm your test subject. I have sought out an expert in the field of nutrition and fitness, so I hoped it helped me feel better. They call him the biohacker, but I call him Eric. I hope you'll join me on a path of leads, you and I to optimal fitness as we live our lives and ketosis. This is the life and Ketosis podcast, a biohackers guide to optimal body performance.

Chad: 01:00 Hello everyone. My name is Chad and this is my quest to achieving optimal body performance with the man that can get me there. The biohacker himself. Mr Eric Bischof every episode. Eric gives us his crazy intense. I'm going to do it my first Spartan race on my seventh day of a water fast in Ketosis sciencey knowledge and I break it down with my regular non crazy guy. Take as we explore the principles of ketogenic KPR performance training, whether you're just looking for a way to feel better or if you're an elite athlete looking for that edge. We're here to help. And today I am especially excited and I know I say that every single episode, but this, this one is just, I know this is going to be a good one because we have the rare opportunity of having one of Eric's clients, um, one of his biofitters.

Chad: 01:51 Mr Joe Fleck. Thank you so much for being here Joe.

Joe: 01:54 My pleasure. Chad.

Chad: 01:56 I cannot wait to hear more of your story. I've heard so much about you from Eric and as soon as we started talking about some of the things that you have been through and overcome and now where you find yourself in Ketosis, I knew we had to have you on to talk and tell your story. So I just really appreciate how open you are willing to be with our audience and, and mostly I'm just excited. You seem like a great guy and I'm excited that you're from Chicago. That is just an added bonus.

Joe: 02:27 Thanks Chad. Sometimes I would do amaze myself before I came in where I'm at now.

Chad: 02:32 It's going to be great. So. And Eric, how are you man?

Eric: 02:35 I'm doing good and I'm excited to have joe on our podcast.

Eric: 02:40 I asked him about this a little while back quite a quite a while ago and

Joe: 02:45 I was 230 pounds and I said a stipulation that I would be interviewed when I got you got me to 208 and I was 210.

Eric: 02:54 Oh so close. So close.

Joe: 02:56 That's all right. I'm sure I'll achieve the 208.

Chad: 03:01 I think so. And in those of you that watch Eric's keto tips, a fun fact is Joe is actually the one that introduced eric to the keto pizza from Chicago

Eric: 03:12 and he sent them to me actually. So that was really nice because they're not cheap, right joe? Not at all, but well worth it. It was, it was delicious and that's why I did a keto tip on it. Was that good?

Joe: 03:26 Because I believe I'm getting a t shirt out of it.

Eric: 03:28 Yeah, that's right. When they're getting printed, actually say you are getting your tee shirt.

Chad: 03:31 You Bet. Well Great. Well let's, let's dive in so that we don't, uh, we don't have to leave too much out of the story. So Joe, let's start just kind of talking about, I'd love to get a good idea of, of your health and nutrition history and I know you have some pretty unique perspectives coming from a perspective of being an alcoholic and, and maybe not the healthiest lifestyle coming into your Keto journey, but can you just kind of give, give us a history. I'm really quick as quick as you can a history of some of your health and nutritional history.

Joe: 04:08 Sure. Uh, well I'm 58 year old construction worker. Uh, I grew up in the suburbs of Chicago. A five sisters are older brother and a younger brother, a all in a three bedroom house. So, uh, uh, it was quite a lot of fun. I love my brothers sisters dearly. Uh, um, my mom and dad were middle class. My Dad was also a construction worker, you know, he worked hard for a living and my mom was always had food on the table, uh, and it was, you know, the basic diet am I left home at 14 days after I was old enough to joined the military and was a soldier, traveled the world and had a good time doing that, you know, and uh, I got out of the military when I was 21 and came back to Schaumburg and, you know, got a job and, you know, and, and started continuing my life.

Joe: 05:00 Uh, and it seems like when all my friends turned left, I kept going straight and for 38 years I was a practicing alcoholic and drug abuser. Uh, I finally got sick and tired of being sick and tired and knew I was going to have to do something about it, you know, and I got into a 12 step program. It saved my life. Uh, people that, uh, don't know what a 12 step program, it's for a recovery program and it's quite a good program. It was started in 1935, uh, over 134 different groups. Use The 12 step program, alcoholics anonymous eaters, anonymous, narcotics anonymous. I'll use a 12 step program because it works, you know. So my basic, uh, uh, nutritional thing was everything to access, you know, uh, that, that's what alcoholics do. They know everything is accessed. I drank to excess, I, I smoke cigarettes, I did drugs, I ate it.

Joe: 05:59 It was nothing for me to consume a whole pizza, you know, a medium sized pizza or a large pizza and a sitting, you know. And, and I got up to about 267 pounds, uh, at my highest. And then, uh, when I got sober, uh, I decided I needed to get healthy, know, healthier, you know, so I, you know, I, I started thinking about exercising and cleaned up my diet and uh, just so happened it was a, they had opened a gym across the street from my house and I could see it out the window, you know, so it was like there was no excuse not to go to the gym because, you know, it's like I can't say, well, it's too far to go, you know, and I don't wanna get in the car and drive. I mean it was a 35 second walk. So I started going to the gym.

Joe: 06:42 Uh, this was about 2011 when I, when I got sober October fourth, although I've been sober for seven years, uh, it's been some of the greatest years of my life so far. And I know the best years are still ahead. So the, I started working on the daily, you know, I would, you know, if I was off work because in the construction trade sometimes you're off for a few months. I would be waiting at the door, at the gym, waiting for the poster to get there in the morning at 5:00 at open it, you know, and I started working out and I got out and about from to 67, probably to 2:19. Uh, I noticed because that's how much I weighed when the gym closed and they put a Polish deliot and so that I could get, I could see the boulder police deli instead of sit ups. It was pierogies, you know.

Joe: 07:25 Um, so I, I, you know, I went back up to about 2:40 a, uh, you know, and then struggled from there. You know, I tried the Audi, all the gimmicks in the Diet and uh, it doesn't seem to work. I know, and you know, I'd be good for awhile and then I would, you know, eat healthy all week and then go to the grocery store on a weekend and buy an apple pie and eat the whole thing, you know. So, uh, but that's what alcoholics do, you know, they, they give yourself excuses, you know. And uh, so as I got farther into my recovery, you know, and I learned a little bit more about character defects and my disease, which it is a disease, alcoholism male. Um, once I learned that, you know, then, you know, then my recovery started moving forward full speed because it wasn't something that was wrong with me, it was just a disease I have and just like cancer or diabetes or anything else.

Joe: 08:20 And there is a solution for addicts, you know what, it is a 12 step program. So, uh, you know, I, I've been struggling with the weight and everything all my life. I wrestled in high school, so six months of the year I started myself. And then the other for six months I would eat as much as I can. Uh, actually what I got out of wrestling in my senior year in high school I weighed, I wrestled at 138 pounds, February of my senior year in September when I joined the army, I was 208. And if you do, if you do the math at 70 pounds in six months, wow. That's what everybody says. I've told that story for 30 years and nobody had never not said, wow. I say, wow. So, you know, so I think, I guess I'm my metabolism has been screwed up since high school, you know, because it was starving and even, you know, even.

Joe: 09:10 But, and I never knew anything about it, you know, I a knowledge wise, you know. So I started, uh, I started, uh, I dunno, like looking online for stuff and I, you know, I would run across stuff and I don't even recall how I ran across ketogenics but my first, it was about November 2017 for about six months ago. And I started just immersing myself in it, you know, I saw a website called, uh, I don't know if I mentioned it, but the Diet doctor that gave you recipes and shopping lists.

Chad: 09:45 Yeah, of course. Great resources

Joe: 09:47 and everything, you know, and I, and you know, great recipes. I was eating chicken and fish with heavy cream and cheese and butter and everything tasted so good, you know, and I started losing weight and, and it's like, wow, this is just too good to be true, you know?

Joe: 10:02 And then I just stopped because I, you know, that's all I was doing is making know it's, it didn't give me the macros and everything. It just like one serving, well, you know, I can make a serving as big as I want it. And that's what alcoholics do, you know, they, they, they bend things to their, to their way. So, uh, I was uh, you know, uh, spending time, you know, I found about, I heard about ketogenic lifestyle and I started researching and googling everything I could find. And I first started off with Jimmy Moore, you know, a keto, keto, clarity. And was the first book I read a great book. And uh, so I was a reading everything. Jimmy Moore had doing Jimmy Moore, a podcast and I come across. Then I come across from Maria Emmerich, another great keto, keto specialists. And I just started most. And that I, you know, I went from Jimmy Moore to Maria Emmerich and then in back, you know, and they're all great.

Joe: 11:00 They all have knowledge and everything and I don't remember how I come across Eric, but when he, he talks about drilling down into the numbers, you know, and the blood markers and uh, and I do a lot, I listen to a lot of podcasts because it's usually a 45 minute drive to work everyday. So that's 40, 45 minutes in the morning, 45 minutes in the afternoon. So that's a lot of the time I didn't want to waste it. And once I got sober I realized there was a lot of time I had wasted and I wasn't about to waste anymore time. I had a lot of catching up to do. So I started listening to your podcast and uh, and uh, I had looked at other thing, other other programs and everything and you know, and, and great programs, great people cared a lot, but, you know, it would like a call up, join up, sign up for this and that and get one of our experienced coaches know.

Joe: 11:51 And it's like, well, I know that before because I, you know, uh, I know, yeah, it gets somebody that they've trained, you know, and for some reason I called Eric's, you know, and he answered the phone and so we had to, we had to talk. I know and I don't remember, I probably was going to hang up before you even answer just because I've never done that before, you know, and it was uncomfortable. He calling a total stranger and tell him I needed help. But you learn, you learn that in recovery, you learn how to ask for help. Um, so, uh, he answered the phone and we started talking and you know, he's a, for a better word or less giving his pitch, you know, and uh, telling me, how are you gonna? Do for me and I can help me and then starts asking if I'm interested.

Joe: 12:34 I said, you had me at hello, because it was, it was, it wasn't a coach, it was a guy I was seeing on my computer screen and actually talking to me on the telephone and I know this ain't no coach. This is the guy. The guy has given me this information that I want to find out about it. It's not, it's who, you know. And we, we talked some more oil and a little bit longer, a little bit later. He had asked me again, well, and if you're interested, I said, I told you you had me at hello. We talked for, I don't know, good 30 minutes or better and uh, you know, they say the rest is history. Uh, and since then, you know, it's been a great ride. I've, you know, I haven't been hungry but like twice in six months, you know, and I eat three meals a day and I, I continue to lose weight, you know. So to me it's just a fantastic way to live.

Chad: 13:29 Yeah, absolutely. So there's so much there that I want to dig in on just a couple things and, and, uh, and, and unpack if that's okay. Help yourself before I do that. Like two things. Thank you for your service and, and, and secondly, it. Congratulations on soberness. That's incredible. I love that you drew some parallels between, um, you know, the, the alcohols that are alcoholics anonymous program and how that relates not only to, to be an alcoholic but also eating. And I would love for you, I mean, a lot of us are listening from a perspective where we've never experienced this 12 step program. I would love to, to hear from you some of the principles or at least some of the lessons that you learned through that, that you can now apply to getting healthy, you know, training yourself the right way, that kind of stuff. I'd love to hear some of those parallels in those lessons that you draw.

Joe: 14:30 Well, uh, the first step in a 12 week program, that's the only one that actually addresses the substance, the other webinar or about your behavior. It's over. The first step is admitting that you're powerless over your addiction, you know, whether it'd be drugs, sex, alcohol, food, and then from then on, once you admit that and surrender a, you have to find a higher power. You, because you're, you're substance with your higher power for so many years. Whether it be, you know, uh, some people call, you know, they use god, some Buddha or how your, the supreme power of the universe or uh, you know, you detail you in the program. You could use a coffee cup. It doesn't matter. All you have to be to willing to be willing to admit there's somebody something greater than, you know. And I had a problem with the God thing for awhile. I, you, I said God, but what I meant was group of drunks, you know, I mean, that's a.

Joe: 15:21 I used the program, the people that I met everyday in my, in my meetings. And then, uh, you go on in the program and you address your, your character defects, a personal, you do a personal inventory, which they say is cleaning your side of the street because you've left a lot of wreckage in the way in you awake, you know. And I, and I did that, you know, and um, I spent, I've spent time in jail for my, my disease, you know, and I didn't go to jail every time I drank. But every time I went to jail I was drinking so of the financial burden over, you know, I, I, it was an alcoholic, practicing alcoholic for 30 years and I've, I've come to realize it probably cost me anywhere between $700,000, million dollars in 38 years for my addiction, you know. And yeah, that's, I say that.

Joe: 16:11 But I laugh. I say wow. When I think of that, you know, but, but, you know, it took all that took it, you know, I was discussing it with my younger brother the other day and I told him, you know, I said, you know, what took me every drink I ever had to get me where I am right now. You know, and, and that's what it was. That's what it did, you know, and I mean, that made me, my, the person I am today, the struggles, the pain, uh, you know, the experiences and as a alcoholic we say that, you know, that's the way you stay sober is you get a sponsor, you go to meetings and you work with other alcoholics and share your experience, strength and hope. And that's what I do a two to three times a week and you know, and they saw the change, you know, they saw the weight loss and a, you know, and they, you know, they, these guys, some of them I don't even know their last names.

Joe: 16:56 I've known him for seven years, you know, it's a mark aged, you know, bill w and stuff like that. But you know what, they're my friends that are my brothers and I, I love him to death because they helped me save my life. Uh, um, so that's it, you know, uh, as far as the twelfth step, you, you know, they do them in chronological order because they're made that way. I mean, there is that. It's designed that way, you know, you surrender, you get a higher power, you know, you do a personal inventory and you share that with another human being, you know, and once you click, then you make amends to the people you've heard along the way. So, uh, and uh, it call it cleaning your side of the street and then you continue to carry the message. And next thing you know, what, you've got seven years of sobriety.

Chad: 17:40 So how does that, how did you take some of those principles and translate those into a healthier lifestyle? I mean, obviously not drinking as well.

Joe: 17:49 Eliminating fears and trying to get rid of the character to some of my character defects. I don't judge people as much as I used to. I still do because I'm human being. Um, uh, but, uh, you know, I pretty much what I've been through a, I lead a fearless life now because I have faith and you know, and faith for me is just my imagination focused, you know, fear is my imagination, run wild, you know, and if I do the things that I've been taught in the program, uh, you know, I, I don't have any fears. I know things are going to wake up the way they are supposed to, you know, I know, I know every morning when I wake up in the morning, my diseases sitting there on the end of the bed and if I don't take proper precautions by being grateful in the morning that I have another day of sobriety and, and think of my higher power at the end of the evening for another day of sobriety.

Joe: 18:37 Uh, you know, basically it's surrendering and being, for me, it was surrendering and a living a grateful life now. And uh, and that's why wouldn't, when you asked me how I was doing it, I said, you know, how things go. And I said, just shy a terrific. Another one I have is borderline spectacular because because I truly believe that, you know, I mean from where I was living check to check for 38 years and I and I make a good living, you know, I'm a union sheet metal worker. We make a good minute living now. I've got about 16 months till I retire and I, you know, I take another whole podcast to talk about my legal problems, but I will do, I will retire debt free and own my own condo and maybe another, maybe another home, you know, and after spending, you know. Yeah, that's, that's great. Yeah, it is great. And you know, but it takes work, you know, and I got to stay focused and I got to stay on the path, you know, how to adequately. Go ahead,

Chad: 19:36 Eric. Eric, maybe we can get you can chime in here on this. I'm really drawn to this idea that, you know, whatever our vices are, whether they're alcohol or whether their food or you know, all of that. I'm sure you deal with this a lot in the coaching practice where you have clients that are dealing with their own addictions probably to sugar and um, you know, carbs and all of that kind of stuff and just do what, what are some of your thoughts on these parallel that joe is pulling, but also what's your experience in helping people get through these types of, of, of addictions to these things and that obviously we've talked in multiple episodes about how keto helps so much because the cravings start to dissipate physically, but then mentally, a lot of times we're still there with our addictions. Have to carbs and sugars and all of that kind of stuff. Any thoughts that are coming up for you as you hear Joe Story?

Eric: 20:35 Oh yeah. Because you know, anyone I'm dealing with him and coaching. It's, you know, we're always dealing with, you know, a commitment. Okay. Trying to get them to really make find purpose in,  in why they're trying to change their lifestyle. And, and once they get that answer, which I, I try to work with them and they try to get the why, you know, why am I doing this, you know, how am I going to benefit from this? What kind of lifestyle change am I making? And Yeah, granted we're dealing with food. Um, uh, and, and that's an addiction. And Joe, you know, when you made that, because you know, you went through some really strong commitments in, you know, and overcoming your alcohol is. Um, what about when you made that commitment? The discipline, I mean, it's daily. Obviously, like you just said, you wait now at shits, they're there at the end of the bed each day. Now when, when you had to make the same discipline, the same decisions and commitments to the food. I don't, I'm not sure what foods, you know, when I first started with you, um, you were already starting your, your, your ketogenic journey. Um, so what foods were the toughest for you? Was it the sugar, the sweets, the, just the starches. The peaches are just eating because you're emotionally attached to something to keep you going. Because I, you know, I've always concerned if when you go from alcoholism, do you turn to something else? You know what I mean?

Joe: 22:03 Yeah. Well, it was probably a pasta, but the reason that I found that we do that is because we don't like the way we feel. And, and, and, and, uh, you know, we do drugs to Jay and we know to change the way we feel. Uh, and also, uh, Chad, you hit it right on the head. I got a coach, you know, you got to get a coach. I, you know, I have mentors and coaches now. I have a, I have a life's life coach, Tony Robbins, a, a financial coach, Maryl Chandler. I've got spiritual coaches. I've got it. Sobriety coaches. I've got a eric, my fitness and nutritional coach, and I rely on these people, you know, uh, I don't know everything, you know, I used to think I was the smartest guy in the room, every room, you know, but, you know, what I found out, I wasn't, you know, and I'm not, like I said, I'm not afraid to ask for help and all I would do the emotional eating, you know, because it changed how I feel it changed my state and that I have learned from Tony Robbins.

Joe: 22:57 It's all about state management, you know, and, and, uh, you can manage it and finding out and knowing when you're in an unresourceful state and how to get into a resourceful state, you know, and um, you know, I, I spent time with Tony in Hawaii. I'm a fire walker. I've done five fireworks, 1400 degrees, hot coals, you know, uh, and you know, that I've done some 20 years ago and you know, and I don't say that to impress anybody, I just, except for myself and impresses me because I don't know. I don't know how you do it. I just know I did it, you know, and just like sobriety, I don't really know how I did it, but I know I did it.

Eric: 23:35 I don't think I'd even try that and I do a lot of crazy stuff so

Joe: 23:39 I'm sure you would know.

Eric: 23:44 I can't even walk on pavement outside.

Joe: 23:47 People have been doing it for thousands of years, you know, nobody's special.

Chad: 23:54 Hey guys. Chad here. I wanted to quickly tell you about something that I'm super excited about. If you've listened to Eric for any amount of time, you know, how crazy obsessed and what a big fan he is of fasting. and it's easy to see why. I mean, fasting has a ton of natural benefits, like increased energy, better workouts. I know that sounds counterintuitive, but trust me, it's true. And even mental clarity and literally reaching a state of euphoria and I'm speaking from experience here. Eric has really introduced me to fasting and I have felt things in a fastest state that I can only describe as addictive, but I also know how intimidating it can be the start because I felt the same way. I was so scared, so anyway, now to the exciting part, Eric has agreed with my constant prodding and begging to do an exclusive fasting workshop where we will take a few people through a three day fast.

Chad: 24:46 It's called fasted state and it's going to be incredible. He'll cover what you need to do to prep for the fast, like what supplements to get all of that jazz. He'll be with you during the fast, what to check and test what workouts to do and just everything you need to know to really dive into this. And not only that, but we'll do this together in a group setting so everyone can support each other. I'll be there as well. Anyway, find out more information at biofitcoaching.com/fast. But this fast is going to start soon and we're limiting this group to a small size. You can reach a fasted state and we can help biocoaching.com/fast. Now, back to the show.

Chad: 25:27 Um, as you think about, you know, this time before being keto and then getting into Ketosis, I'm, other than weight loss because we've already talked a little bit about that and that's really cool. That's obviously a great benefit of ketosis. What other benefits have you found through your Keto journey?

Joe: 25:49 I'm never hungry. And also, and I've been sober a six years before I started a keto and, you know, uh, not having a hangover for six years and I also quit smoking. I was a smoker. I, you know, I quit alcohol, drugs and nicotine all within my first 90 days. And I'm again sharing this with my younger brother would drive around and I said, Jim, you know what, uh, I quit alcohol, drugs, nicotine all within the last 90 days. You know, isn't that amazing? And he turned and looked at me. He said, yeah, you're going to be rich because all the money I've wasted over the years, over the years, you know, and, and I know a little bit more money in my pocket, but, uh, you know, I forgot what the question was. What are some of the benefits? All the benefit. Yeah. I feel, you know, even though I, you know, I didn't think I could feel any better, you know, not having a hangover or you for six years, you know, I wake up every morning feeling good and then I started doing keto and it's like, wow, I feel even better, you know, and I, I tell them, my friends in the meetings, you know, that I, you know, I mastered the art of despair, you know, for over 38 years and I'm going to try and find out how happy, how much happiness one person can stand.

Joe: 27:02 And so far I haven't, I haven't hit my threshold. Yeah, you know, but, you know, I've, uh, I was so forward looking, looking forward to it and share my story today. You know, I, I got home from work about 20 minutes maybe before we started. I showered and shaved for an audio interview or interview just so I would be in a peak resourceful state. And I think stuff like that. Now I don't, you know, I and I, I don't ask why me? Why is this happening to me? You know, why am I always fail? And, you know, I ask myself better questions now. What can I learn? What can I learn from this, you know, how is this supposed to help me, you know? And, and there's no more war with me, you know, it's like everything's supposed to happen for a reason, you know, and, uh, I, you know, I no longer, you know, do say stuff like that.

Joe: 27:54 I don't have the resources to do this, you know, because I don't believe that. I just believe there's unresourceful people. Yeah, there's plenty of resources out there. It's just unresourceful people, you know, and you know, uh, I use music and I, I have, uh, you know, every morning when I shave, I look in the bathroom mirror, which I couldn't look in the mirror for 28 years because I couldn't, I didn't like what I saw. Right? But right to my right, those are the, I've printed some stuff off the internet. Nice frame of building this says, if not now, when and as I look over my shoulder when I'm brushing my teeth and says, don't forget to be awesome, you know, and stuff like that. I have hanging in my house, you know, uh, there's a, uh, there's a, uh, a song that I play my music when I run.

Joe: 28:36 It ends every run. It's called the climb by Miley Cyrus. I'm not even a big miley cyrus science fan, but there's a line in there says it's not about how fast I get there. It's not about what on the other side, it's about the climb and I, this is the stuff I think about now. Not a, how long is it going to be to get off work so I can get to the tavern. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. And you know, and that's all because I've changed my whole complete lifestyle. You know, I have two friends from my previous drinking days. I've known since I was 10 years old. All the rest I've changed, you know, and I, and I, and it's also sending me, you know, I tell people to me I'm willing to change everything in my life except my sobriety date and I am because I'm where I'm going. I've never been before. So I, you know, I need coaches. I need mentors.

Chad: 29:27 Absolutely. So talk to me. What other, what other benefits did you notice? So you talked about not being hungry, which is incredible. Um, I mean, I think most of us that aren't in ketosis walk through our days most of the day hungry unless  we've just gorged ourselves on something. And so that's, that's awesome. Did you experience any other physical or mental benefits that were noticeable to you as you jumped into ketogenics.

Joe: 29:54 Yeah, my work, uh, my, you know, I've always had a good work ethic but, but uh, I enjoy my work now and you know, my concentration is better, you know, uh, interesting. I'll be, uh, you know, in a ceiling working on a piece of bent work, you know, and, and I'll run across your problem and, you know, in a steady getting angry, you know, I know how I've done it so long, I know what to do. I don't get angry anymore. I may get a little frustrated, but again, that's the words I use instead of anger. I use frustration, you know, and it changes by state. No. And uh, it, you know, I, I can give you a little example right now. Uh, that's something I've learned using my physiology, which if you sit up, both of you guys sit up straight right now, take a deep breath, smile as big as he can and try and try and get angry.

Joe: 30:48 It's impossible. And exactly, and also you gotta realize when I'm in an unresourceful and in a negative state and I changed my state by exercising and I could do that because I have the energy from the keto. You know, I, I recently did an 8k, you know, and, and Eric Eric prepare me for that. I did went three years ago and I was hurting pretty bad when I was done and I trained for this one. Eric helped me train, you know, I got a heart rate monitor is spoken to my ear, you know, they told me to pace and everything because I, my, one of my goals was to break it our five point one miles in under an hour. So I trained and it's race day. I get up, I pack everything up and I get downtown, you know, 35 miles away in Chicago and I'm in grant park and I started getting dressed and I left my heart right in her home.

Joe: 31:35 So I had to do everything by feel, you know, and I didn't bring an hour. I was hour and five minutes, but Eric had told me he looked at my numbers and I actually run the second half faster than the first half. And I was like, I remember coming, you know, coming down, you know, you, you come into Grand Park, you have to go up an incline. They make the last quarter of a mile up the hill, you know, after five point four and five miles and I, I'm running up that hill and uh, you know, doing my airborne airborne shuffle, you know, Woo Woo. And I'm passing, people know and I then needed to make a left hand turn into the, you know, 100 yards through you through the finish line. And I, and my song comes on, you know, and I'm just increasing speed as I'm finishing in the end. When I did one I did three years ago, I couldn't walk for a day afterwards. Wow. I benefit a lot of edits on. My brother went to support me. He drops me off and you know, he comes home and dropped me off and he goes, I'll see you later. I said, yeah, me too. I'll, I'll call you later. I'm going to go out for a run.

Joe: 32:35 He turned around like, and his jaw hit the ground, you know, and, but I did like, I couldn't  go right out and run again, you know, the energy level. Then, you know, the concentration at work. It's just amazing, you know, I've seen

Eric: 32:49 and we call that Betahydroxybutyrate and

Joe: 32:53 I also learned how to say Beta hydroxy butyrate, but you're still learning the benefits of Ketosis or just, you know, I'm still receiving them. I'm still learning about them and that's what drove me to Eric's program, you know, the science, you know, uh, I've always been good at math and science and everything and the blood markers, the DNA, the steps, you know, and I, and I started talking to friends about this and I have a couple sisters that I'd like to do this and I, I hear coming out of my mouth, you know, and it's like, wow, I didn't know that's, I'm learning. The more I am always discuss it with other people.

Joe: 33:37 It's, you know, I've always had trouble verbalizing stuff that I've learned, especially from my coaches. You know what I want, I know what I know, but I had trouble verbalizing it and the more I do it, the easier it gets, you know? Yeah, absolutely.

Chad: 33:50 Eric, you've had the benefit of working with joe for a while now and have been able to kind of witness and coach him through some of some of the benefits and some of the changes that he's experienced. Are there anything. Are there any landmarks that stick out to you as you've coached him that just, you know, you took note of or noticed?

Eric: 34:11 Yeah. I think the exciting part about joe is his, his commitment level and his discipline. It's like, it's like he can set an example for me. I mean he, he is, he's just like so committed. Even on his macros. I mean I know everything he eats, I can name everything I knew you were going to.

Eric: 34:33 He has boy, when I see salmon and I'm like, oh right, he's got salmon tonight and he's got his beef is beef for lunch, you know, and his patties and he's. I thought I was real repetitive on my Macros, but Joe Beats me pretty good there, but even his workouts, everything is just disciplined and I think you know what he's been through in his life and the change of his lifestyle and he's being coached by the various coaches. He's and that's what I wanted him on the podcast because he's just. He's come so far and his lifestyle has changed so much and how he's so disciplined right now. It's just awesome. Even in his training and now I'm excited because he, he, he, he's got a bike trainer at home now and he's done his Ryan's. We're going to get more 8 ks and now I got him swim video with swimming and I tell him he's going to be doing a triathlon before.

Joe: 35:25 You know, the funny part is that I actually consider it

Eric: 35:33 He's 58 years old and ready to go to the next level and it's working with them though. It's exciting actually. And now I've got all this, his DNA and I've got to go. I'm not, I'm almost through all your stuff, so I'll be excited to meet with you next week and report all that to Esl. Right. A lot of great stuff going on with you, Joe.

Chad: 35:52 So many milestones. It's so interesting for me to listen to this story from my perspective and just see, um, obviously there's a lot of history and a lot of things that you've gone through Joe, but ultimately it seems like all of those things have prepared you to live the best life now.

Joe: 36:07 Exactly. Every experience I've made has made me who I am today in

Eric: 36:12 Joe. Can I ask you a personal question? Did you kind of ended up doing this by yourself? I mean, I don't see. I mean, I don't know what your support was besides. Yeah.

Joe: 36:22 As far as the ketogenics?

Eric: 36:25 no, all of it. Oh, well, yeah.

Joe: 36:27 I mean I got sober to save my life.

Eric: 36:31 And, and, and you're single, right? Yes. And it snowballed for that.

Joe: 36:35 Yeah. Uh, so all the ladies out there listen to podcasts. I'll leave you my email address. They can send.

Eric: 36:43 You know what I'm saying? A lot of us have support from family when you come home, yet you have a spouse, you have kids that are.

Joe: 36:52 I have five sisters and two brothers I have. There are so happy for me today. I got sober. I mean, uh, yeah, I get all kinds of support for that, you know, and, and another thing I'd like to share with, you know, you could have the houses and the cars and everything, but really the only thing we really own our story, we're all writing a story, you know, and there's only two ways it could end up.

Eric: 37:17 Everything else is just stuff you.

Joe: 37:20 When y'all, when it's all said and done, you're gone off this earth. There's only two ways that your story is going to be, either it's going to be an example or a warning, you know, for 38 years. Mine was a warning, you know, and I'm still writing the story, you know, and uh, I'm still ed chapters and adventure having adventures and I, you know, I, I get up, I pop out of bed in the morning, you know, I mean I get up before I get up for Eric.

Eric: 37:42 Yeah, you do.

Eric: 37:45 He sent me a message. Oh, you were up early this morning and this morning. You know what? I was up at our before that I'm starting at 3:45, 4:45, but my time, here's your message came to me and like at 2:30 this morning

Joe: 38:01 because I did a 7:00 workout last night instead of 4:00 in the afternoon and I couldn't sleep. Oh, okay. That's how I, that's what happened. Yeah.

Chad: 38:11 So, so eric always cringes when I asked this question, he would much prefer me not ask this question, but I like to ask it anyway just because I know how my experience has been with them and how, how much I think of him as a coach. But um, you know, you talked about the importance of having coaches in your life and seeking that out in Every area. What does it been like to work with Eric?

Joe: 38:35 He's like  my big brother, he's a couple of, only a couple of years older than me. It's like having another big brother. Oh, that's great. And you know, someday I'm going to walk into that gym and Utah and shake his hand. I just hope that his day off. That's true. Yes. We will meet up someday at a race for sure if you keep pushing. I know if we will.

Eric: 39:10 Now we have vegas and now we're just going to keep making that Vegas because Vegas is kind of fun for other stuff too, I guess. So it's a good place to come.

Chad: 39:20 Yeah, that's great. So Joe, as we kinda wrap up the conversation here, I want to give you an opportunity to just. There's a lot of people who listened to our podcast who are, um, you know, considering jumping into a Keto lifestyle or finding a coach or a support system. Um, and you know, for whatever reason, maybe they haven't been able to quite take the step or they have take this step and struggled a little bit and felt like they've gotten four steps back or you know, whatever that, that situation might be. Do you have any words of encouragement or advice for people who are considering or struggling with living in ketogenic lifestyle?

Joe: 40:00 Yeah, I would definitely listen to a podcast by Tony Robbins, why we do the things we do, you know, it's all about, you know, our basic human needs and how we fulfill those six basic human needs and we put a different value on different ones like kind of contribution, love, significance, you know, and, and if I need to do the evaluation and find out what, what makes you tick and what makes you happy, you know, uh, there's also a Netflix. I'm not your guru, you know, it's all about, for me, it has been all about what makes me tick, what, you know, what are my core belief system. So I, I didn't, I didn't have, you know, uh, you know, one of my core beliefs is contra contribution, you know, that's why I'm doing this podcast today because I'm making a contribution to people I don't even know.

Joe: 40:52 Yeah. Um, but I, I would, you know, get a coach and a mentor, you know, we don't know everything, you know, life, a life is a journey, you know, adventure. And that's why I live it, you know, and ask better, ask better questions of yourself. You know, that, why is this happening to me? What can I learn? You know, I wake up in the morning, what can I be grateful for today? Who loves me today? Uh, when I go to bed at night, I asked myself, what have I learned today? You know, I have, I helped anybody, you know, just just try and be a better person. And, and that's what I do, you know, uh, and, and that life, you know, life is meant for you. Uh, or life  happens for you, not to you. That's what I want to do. Other things I just learned from my life. Coach life happens for you, not to you. Yeah, and I keep a positive outlook. I would say it all. You could have been where I was at seven years ago.

Chad: 41:49 Yeah, that's right. Absolutely. Eric, any closing thoughts or remarks that you want to just share about joe or or this conversation now?

Eric: 41:58 I just. I'm really excited to work with you joe and I appreciate all that you do and all your discipline and hard work and you're, you're, you're just an easy person to coach with and I hope I can just keep sharing my knowledge with you as we keep going, but a good coach makes it easy.

Chad: 42:17 Well, thank you guys so much for, for doing this. And Joe, thank you for being so open with your story. I think this will help so many people and draw some parallels. I mean we all come from different stories and different backgrounds, but this has been so inspiring for me at least and I think it will be for other people, so thank you so much for coming on.

Joe: 42:37 My pleasure. Live with passion.

Eric: 42:40 Thank you joe. I appreciate it. And 208 by the end of the week will be there.

Joe: 42:46 I'm going to go out and run two miles right now. I'm feeling good

Chad: 42:49 and Eric, thank you so much for your contribution and biohacking with us every time and we really appreciate it. All right, and I want to thank you for joining us on this quest for optimal fitness. If you're ready to begin your own journey and live your life and Ketosis, be sure to check out biofitcoaching.com or biofit coaching on facebook and also if this podcast has benefited you in any way, please go to itunes or wherever you get your podcasts and give us a five star rating and a raving review.

Chad: 43:19 This helps us reach more people like yourself and Joe as so that we can do more good in the world. And finally, the greatest compliment that you can give us is sharing this podcast with the ones that you love, the ones who needed the most. We don't, you know, this podcast cost some money and uh, that all comes out of our own pockets and we work really hard to bring your really good content. Eric works really hard to bring really good content, um, and, and there's some costs associated, so if you don't mind sharing it with those who are in your life that could really use it, that'll help us out so much and we can reach more people. And until next time, stay keto.