5/16/18 E38 How Can Genetic Testing Help on Your Keto Journey?

One of the greatest keys to your past, present and future may just lie within your own body. Our genetics can tell us a LOT about ourselves. From what we should and shouldn't eat, to what we are likely to die from (yikes!). But don't worry, knowledge is power! Today the guys discuss understanding what your genes can tell you, and what you should do with that information.

What is 23andMe?

What is a SNIP? Something you have about a million of!

Getting away from the SYMPTOMS and finding the ROOT cause...

What your genetics can tell you about your capacities and predispositions.

The lens you should view your genetic results through.

How diet and exercise can "turn" genes on and off.

So why is it important to get your genetic testing done?

And how does genetic testing help you on your keto journey?

If you are looking to really understand your body and how to feed and train it properly, then genetic testing is a MUST! It can give you an edge on life and help make sure you're living it to the fullest!

If you have any questions on this episode (or any questions in general) don’t hesitate to reach out to us at bioteam@biofitcoaching.com, or submit a question on www.lifeinketosispodcast.com

If you’re interested in starting your own journey, you can find out more information at biofitcoaching.com or on Facebook at facebook.com/becomebiofit.

Transcript:

Eric: 00:00 I see people when I deal with just keto, they still have health issues. Okay. The Beta hydroxybuturate molecules, fantastic. And it can take you thus far, but I'm dealing with neurotransmitters. I am done endocrine with hormones. I'm dealing with a lot, a lot, a lot of organs and, and, and the system. Cardiology, everything. Alright. So yeah, I can, I can get your weight loss, which is great for Metabolic Syndrome and get you down. But what about everything else? You know, we've got fibromyalgia out there and we've got depression and anxiety and, and, and chronic fatigue, which is, is real. There's issues and diabetes, which, you know, I'm, I'm big crusader and of it and getting behind this, I can actually step down one more step into the genetics.

Chad: 00:51 They say a journey begins in a single step or in my case, one less piece of bread.

Chad: 01:00 My name is Chad and I'm your test subject. I have sought out an expert in the field of nutrition and fitness. Well, I hoped it helped me feel better. They call him the biohacker, but I call them parent. I hope you'll join me on a path that leads you and I to optimal fitness as we live our lives and ketosis. This is the life and Ketosis podcast, a biohackers guide to optimal body performance.

Chad: 01:33 Hello everyone. My name is Chad and this is my quest to achieving optimal body performance with the man that can get me there. The biohacker himself. Mr Eric Bischof every episode. Eric gives us his crazy intense. I read 23 and me test reports in my free time just for fun, sciencey knowledge, and I break it down with my regular non crazy guy. Take as we explore the principles of Ketogenics and KPR performance training, whether you're just looking for a way to feel better or if you're an elite athlete looking for that edge. We're here to help. And today we're talking about surprise, surprise 23andme or genetic testing. Yeah, so as I understand it, Eric, 23andme is a brand or a company that does these genetic testings, are these snipped testings, correct? Yes. Okay.

Eric: 02:24 Yeah, they do the genetic testing and then they've added what we call the ancestry, but so that people will pop, you know, real popular back in the ancestry.com to get your ancestry history. But they, they do both.

Chad: 02:35 Yeah. Great. So I just want to make sure people aren't confused between the difference of. So we're talking about genetic testing and ancestry testing, but 23 and me is the company that does it and the report that they produce. Right. Okay, perfect. So to, I'm fascinated by this. Yeah, I, I think, I mean there's, there is a little bit of a novelty to this, right? It's getting popular and people are using it as kind of a fun thing. I mean, it's not real expense. It's not insanely expensive. How much does the test cost?

Eric: 03:08 Uh, they run between $150 and $190. Sometimes they have specials, but they're really the only 23andme is really the only one out there that I recommend. I mean, I recommend it because it's the only one I really know of that is pretty solid. So a lot of the biofitters, uh, I just send them to 23andme, we are not associated with them are affiliated or anything.

Chad: 03:31 No. Yeah, we're not, we have no interest in pushing their name other than the really the only ones doing it. And most of your clients use them. Yes. Um, and the biggest thing about this podcast, not the biggest thing, but a large portion of this is to, is for you to understand that Eric has a lot of knowledge and interpreting these reports. There are some things in there that if we didn't know what we were looking for would mean nothing to us, but it could be, which we'll get into a little bit later could be incredibly meaningful, um, and we may not know what to look for. And so that's the purpose of this conversation is that Eric wanted to make sure anybody who's getting these things done a, that's one thing he offers his clients, and B, maybe we can give some information here that will help you read that a little bit better and know what to look for.

Chad: 04:21 A quick story though, before we start, we got these, we got these tests for my mother and father in law for Christmas. That was our, are all the kids that was our, our present to them and my mother in law is Scottish, like die Scottish, like her father came through through Ellis island as, as a boy and um, she got, she got her tests back and she's more Irish than Scottish this whole time. I mean growing up, if you know anything between the, about the, you know, the, the, uh, I guess rivalry, it's kind of a friendly rivalry but, but this thing between the Scottish and the Irish and her to find out. I mean there was a couple day depression there when she found out that she was more Irish, Scottish. Anyway, that's a side point. That's kind of the head of talent.

Eric: 05:11 She has siblings, right? Yes, yes. She had to let them know what kind of like, not really what we're thinking.  There's a lot of people getting into surprises from the ancestry. It's, there's a lot, a lot to it out there.

Chad: 05:26 Yeah. And on the surface it looks novelty, but then that can also, which we're going to talk about, that can lead you into certain snips that make you a pre, a predisposition for certain diseases, Alzheimer's, cancer, that kind of stuff. And we're going to talk a little bit about that, but I'd love to hear from your perspective. Why are we talking about this?

Eric: 05:50 Well, what attracts me to it. Like, you know, I'm a hacker obviously and  I liked blood markers. Okay. And I like the, the genes now I really do. And, and trust me, I have, this has sent me down more rabbit holes than I could even have imagined because think about there's 20,000 genes. Okay. There's up to 10 million possible snips, single nucleotide polymorphisms. Okay. Mutations, right? Yeah. And each person can have a, you know, close to a million of these snips. Alright. And when I upload their raw data from 23 and me I upload and I look, I just kind of look at the count and most of them are averaging 500,000 to 800,000 snips. So obviously it is huge. So what they've done, now you've got to say, okay, obviously there's ones that are going to pertain to certain diseases or issues. Okay? Genetically that, that you're going to be predisposed to. Okay. And so they basically have got it down to where most or maybe 25, 30,000.

Eric: 07:06 Okay. And then that's been narrowed down and it's getting better each day, you know, and it's progressing with knowledge to actually get to a certain categories and break it down and then get to certain snips that are going to deal with breast cancer. And, and what's, what's, what's driving it is in a lot of, most of you know out there, you hear about the brcaka gene, bracket one, bracket two, then you hear about the apo e, which is Alzheimer's. Okay? The, you know, the fear of Apoe e four, four, three, three, four. Okay. The mutation there. And then, then, um, then there's other ones like the Mthfr we talked about, the mother effer gene, okay. That's deals with methylation of folate. So those have kind of pushed it in, in popularity. And now I am, I'm getting into really deep because I think it's what I want to do with people is get to the root cause the possibility of a root cause.

Eric: 08:05 Because remember we're all symptom oriented. You go to the doctor, what are your symptoms? Let's treat the symptoms. How, you know, that's why like blood markers, because let's find out if there's, what's the root cause, where is this inflammation, what's causing this disease or this element? And now we can look at the genes and say, hey, you're genetically predisposed to express this. Okay, it doesn't mean it's going to happen, but now we can make it to where your lifestyle and your nutrition and what talks and you could be to change the genetic expression. Yeah, exactly.

Chad: 08:41 And so let me make sure I'm hearing you right. And then let's get a baseline of a couple of terms because you've thrown out a couple of terms here that start making sure people understand that are very common to you and all your work that you do, but maybe not to everybody else. So first, I mean obviously I love your philosophy of let's, let's be more cause-based symptom base because we can cover symptoms all day long. Exactly. But we're only gonna get more and they're only gonna get stronger unless we're addressing the cause. So That's interesting to me. So let's, let's talk about these snips or you see you also called the mutations. What are they? Why do we need to be concerned with them?

Eric: 09:19 Okay. So all your genes ok, It's basically a blueprint of, of what you are and what you inherited from your mom and your dad. Okay. So you get one set from your mom, from your dad. Okay. So those are what we'd call a, if it's a snip, we call it a single nucleotide polymorphism, which is a mutation. Okay. So in, in any of your genes you can end up getting a mutation. Okay. So if your parent one or the other parent had this mutation or both, you end up with one nun or both. Okay. So, and I've mentioned before, we have, if you have one from the parent that's had heterozygous and then you have to be homozygous. Okay. So obviously everybody will say, Oh, if you got a double mutation then you're in. Really, you know, it's not all bad because sometimes there is some good and having a double mutation.

Eric: 10:15 Okay. So most of it is a mutation that you had to be careful with, but there is some good and bad to all and that's why you have to analyze it because if someone looked at mine, I'll just take a simple one that I, I'm, I'm homozygous and acting three. Okay. That's a, a muscle protein. All right. And those. And I'm a TT okay. I'm homozygous. I had both from my parents, but that pushes me not in something bad. It just says in reference to him working out and exercise and empower those who have speed. Okay. And power will have act in three that they'll have that protein available. They're not. It's an abundance of those that the tt like me homozygous. I don't have any, I literally have no act in three. So that shoves me over to more of an endurance athlete and there's studies that go either way on that, but I, I, the studies I look at, it kind of pushes me more that way. So I am homozygous, but I, I'm endurance versus power and speed. Okay. Yeah. And so and so there's a lot of things that, there is some mutations that are beneficial. Some will take it too high, some will take you to low. All right. Okay. There's a sweet spot in there.

Chad: 11:24 what classifies them? Maybe this is a dumb question, but this is just me. I'm not real familiar with this stuff, but what classifies it as a mutation? Um, that, I guess that's what I'm trying to understand is what, what titles of the mutation rather than just, Oh, you got this kind or that kind of right mutation to me implies that it's different than the norm.

Eric: 11:46 It is,  it's correlation. All right. So you get enough population. Oh, okay. Then you got to break it down by and say, okay, this is what's been reported. This is what we've studied. We're going to correlate this disease with this snip. Okay. Because that gene does work with that, you know, that area, look, it's Alzheimer's or, or cancer or diabetes or whatever, vitamin A deficiency. Coleen deficiency. There are so many outcome. And so that's how they break it down by population. So like that one, just my act in theory that I'm homozygous a homozygous and quite a few, but that one, only 18 percent of the population has that double t only 18 percent. So I'm one of the 18 percent. You're so special. Yeah. You know what? It's strange because I never knew I was more acclimated to endurance because I'm a, obviously I'm an athlete, but I had no idea that genetically that I'm predisposed to that and it shows a lot of other. There's other snips that are shade endurance, endurance, endurance. Not Power and speed. But I also worked really hard to become like a five k speed guy, five k racing and I really got really good at it. And that's a lot of power and speed. Not quite like 100 meter, but even in school I wasn't 100 meters.

Chad: 13:06 Okay. So this leads us into something that's really interesting is this whole genetics thing, um, and, and I don't, I don't think we should go into the moral debate, right, but too much, but it could possibly be playing with a lot of fire, uh, which you have kind of prepared me for this conversation and you're telling me that we're going to talk about some of the ways that these, that this is being over interpreted or over emphasized or, and, and really we want to put these, these genetic testings in perspective. Right? But it's very interesting to me to think about, you know, if, if we look at these genetic tests and they come back and we have certain characteristics or certain snips that say we're predispositioned for this or we're better at this or, or that sort of thing. I see the risk of us, you know, doing outlandish things or, or a defeating our own selves based off of those results. Does that make sense? Like you could have said, oh, I'm only in endurance guy. I'm not gonna even try for the right, for the short power stuff. Um, so in your opinion, and this is just going to be a totally an opinion question, is it not, is it worth it to get it? But how much weight should you put behind the results?

Eric: 14:31 I and I, and I've done a lot of analysis of other people's clients and I spent,

Chad: 14:38 I mean, you've got, we're on a huge table and you've got them spread for 10 feet.

Eric: 14:42 I'm doing right now and it's, I, it's more work than I've ever imagined because now I have to say when I break it down and analyze it, they're trusting me. Okay. And I upload it to other sites and break down their, their, you know, uh, uh, the way they analyze it and they, they gave me feedback and then I do a report. So it's a lot of work. But when I'm dealing with people in keto, okay. You, you need to know. I mean, I, I can see if you can handle triglycerides. Okay. I can see if you handle monounsaturated fat or saturated fat, if you have the FTO or p par g and I get in all of these genes to say, hey, you're really not good with saturated fat.

Eric: 15:20 Okay, so maybe this is why you're having some issues. Go and keto, so let's change this, but you're really good with, you know, Mano in different fats. I can check out your Omega threes, vitamin deficiencies, Coleen vitamin a iron. If you're homozygous or heterozygous and I can check out your dopamine and there are so many. The comt, the P, m and t, all these different genes that I can finally say, Hey, I have to pick the ones that I think are most important like methylation, Mthfr and the AP for Alzheimer's in the Bronx. So I have to kind of make my own categories because I've got you on a Keto plan and I have you training. So I'm going to try to gear towards that. And so because there's people out there that have thyroid issues and all sudden you make some changes with their minerals and okay.

Eric: 16:10 And, and you know, they're going trojans and different things like that that hey, you genetically, you can't have less carb or this or that. So I'm, I'm behind it, but I don't it, it doesn't, it's not in stone. Okay. It's not set in stone and I. and that's what I don't want people thinking. We're just trying to put the puzzle together a little better. That's all I'm trying to do is help people say, hey, if I, if I like mine, I'm kind of Coleen deficient and you hear me preach it on all, you know, liver and eggs and vitamin A and a lot of these supplements that you really need to enhance your methylation. And that's a whole podcast by itself. And that's really the mother. The MTHFR is really important and it's sad because sometimes I have to give people news that hey, like the brca1, brca2, that you brought up.

Eric: 17:06 I don't like telling somebody that. Well, we've got, we do. You have a mutation here. And there's a lot of people, like you said, the brca1 and brca2, 23andme just FDA approved them for that test and there's women that are, if they have two genes and it's a tumor suppressor gene, a gene that enhances it. So if you have a mutation and it's tied to breast cancer and ovarian cancer. And what scares me is there's women out there, they'll have one mutation. So you have brca a, you can have be heterozygous, one of the mutations for parents or to Homo Zygote. And same with Brca two. Well Baraka one is really more of a indicator, a breast cancer if you have a mutation. But I'm just reading about people that are just. I mean just yesterday, a newscasters, she got up, she has breast cancer in her family, but she had a mutation in the brca2 and she wouldn't had a double mastectomy. And she

Chad: 18:06 preventative was ectomy preventative, no sign of cancer mass in the breast. And she went and volunteered to do

Eric: 18:13 the statistic shows if you have a mutation in Brca one or Brca two, seven to 10 percent of breast cancers are coming from are tied to that mutation, but so he could have 90 percent just people were just getting breast cancer, but they say there's an 80 percent chance if you have the mutation is 80 percent chance you'll have breast cancer as a age 85. Most people are going to die of cancer or heart disease at that age  or an accident.

Chad: 18:42 I think you're an 80 percent chance for any type of cancer to be honest.

Eric: 18:47 You got to really weigh it, you know.

Eric: 18:48 And on a personal note, my mother died of stage 4 ovarian cancer. Stage four, she was diagnosed. We got her, you know, through treatment in Mexico and whatever. I went through a lot with her on, on treatment, but she died of ovarian cancer. And then my, my, um, my ex wife and you know, we have five kids. Her mother died of inflammatory cancer, the real aggressive breast cancer. Okay. So here's two strikes right there that would raise a flag and say, hey, you know, because the Bronco one rocket [inaudible] is for breast and ovarian, so I wouldn't had mine done. And then I had my daughter had hers done and, and were no mutations, brca1 and brca2. So I have another daughter, she's getting tested but we do have it in the family. So that's usually what you look at is what's coming from, you know, be hereditary.

Eric: 19:45 You have to look at that and take that into consideration. And I do that with people, ask them about their parents. You know, I have, I have a client who's been diagnosed with Alzheimer's and I haven't given me this report yet, but a apo e three, three came back. Good. So, and trust me, I hold my breath when I opened those reports. Those I look at, I kind of, I, oh my God, please, please, please, you know, because I, then I have to tell them that hey, it might be an issue here. We'll talk to your doctor and go from there.

Chad: 20:18 Yeah, yeah. That's interesting. So can you talk for just a second, because we've thrown around this word predisposition, which I think we're probably taking for granted that everybody understands what we're talking about when we say we're predisposed to something. Um, can you talk a little bit about what that means and, and that it's nothing is set in stone at this point. It's, you know, you gotta talk to your mom and dad because those are the genes that are given to you, your DNA and you got one set from each and that's your

Eric: 20:48 DNA. Okay? So that's your genetic blueprint. We'll call it. Okay? So genetically that's what you are. Okay. But the exciting part about it is through epigenetics and different things were discovering you can make changes in how your, your DNA, those genes get turned on and off. Okay? And so I'm a big fan of epigenetic saying, hey, through nutrition, through exercise, through lots of various things, environment, you can change how your genes are going to be turned on and off. Okay? And you catch it early enough, then you're not going to be worried about some of these genetic blueprint in a. and I hate people think, hey, I'm destined to have breast cancer. Well that's not so I'm guessing they have Alzheimer's or Parkinson's and in all sorts of these deficiencies that you have. Diabetes. I mean I, I turned up on my report like for pancreatic cancer, I'm three times my cancer risk or like bad on a lot of cancers. Okay. My cardiac is, I got some, I got some heterozygous and I can, I won't name all the snips off, but that are not leaning in my favor. But Dude, my lifestyle and everything else, I feel really good about it. So I'm not, I'm not, I'm not going to be, you know, running from my genes, you know what I mean? I'm going to do things. That's why I'm trying to get the puzzle for myself and others.

Chad: 22:16 Well, I think that's an excellent segue and maybe this is the time to jump over to that because there may be some people listening and saying, okay, this guy is, this is a Keto podcast. Why are we talking about gene reports and snips and, and if there are any kind of, if there have any kind of familiarity with the podcast at this point, they know that you frequently talk about genes, um, biomarkers, all of that kind of stuff. When in the context of keto for you, a keto is much, much, much more than just eating more fats and less carbs. Yes, exactly.

Eric: 22:53 I wish it was that easy.

Chad: 22:57 So talk about that. What, why are you pouring. I mean, I'm literally looking at a table full of reports. That's why are you pouring over these reports of your clients when it, when you're there keto coach.

Eric: 23:10 It's back to the whole puzzle and I've talked about before and that's why I ended up by blood markers because I see people when I deal with just keto, they still have health issues. Okay. The Beta Hydroxy Barrett molecules. Fantastic. And it can take you thus far, but I'm dealing with neurotransmitters. I am done endocrine with hormones. I'm dealing with a lot, a lot, a lot of organs and, and, and the system. Cardiology, everything. Alright. So yeah, I can, I can get your weight, which is great for, you know, Metabolic Syndrome, I get you down. But what about everything out? So you know, we've got fibromyalgia out there and we've got the depression and anxiety and, and, and chronic fatigue, which is real. There's issues in diabetes, what, you know, I'm, I'm big crusader and of it and getting behind this I can actually step down one more step into the genetics and say, look, let's start here and see what we can watch out for you.

Eric: 24:17 Okay. Because if you're going to be deficient in these minerals are these vitamins and these things I can help you know. Right. Or you can get help with right away. Okay. Because if you can't methalate that or this, and there's so many different. Even in your sleep, you know, there's so many genes, tie, dome, weight loss into exercise and in, in how your muscles react. There's so many different things. I'm just saying, hey, if I can help in get someone to progress, not just the metabolic syndrome and the body composition to actually really get insight into the neurotransmitters and hormones and things like that and I, and I think it's great to get the puzzle pieces all from the beginning and now it's a lot of work and, and people don't have to. Some people don't want to know. I'd rather not know when I die, I die if I have cardiac issues and cancer, leukemia.

Eric: 25:15 I mean, there's so many things that, that we can pick through on these snips and say, sure, I'm prone to pancreatic cancer, which is one of the worse. Don't worry about it because I'm doing everything I can to keep my pancreas, my office sales, my Beta cells keep everything healthy. It's like liver it in here. If you're in, if you don't, if you have a triglyceride issue, a snip in that, in, in, and being efficient in removing triglycerides out of your, uh, your liver through the Vldl, I can see that. Say, all right, well you've really got to watch the triglyceride load here because you're gonna have fatty liver, so there's so many things to to work with that on that.

Chad: 25:52 I think what you said is so key when you said, you know, if you're willing to do what it takes to to make sure that these things have a less chance of being active in your body. Yes, these snips. Right, and once you're willing to do that, if you really shouldn't worry too much about it, it's when you're unwilling to do some of these things and continue to put the crap in our bodies that we do and not exercise and not find out more about what you can do to enhance your body's own healing and all of that kind of stuff. I think that's so, so, so poignant is just finding resources in ways to. To fight this really, I mean to, to, to prove your genes wrong.

Eric: 26:36 And that's a challenge because I can. You can break everything down as far as all the diseases that you're, you're, you're, you're kind of leading that area of the snips or even the medicines you take and the toxins that you have to avoid in the vitamins in, and just your lifestyle and it's all cad. There's categories out there and so you have to go through them, but one thing you need, I need to make sure everybody knows this. I and I make sure I know this. Science changes. Okay. And I have to say up messed up there. And that's the scary part about it is we have to trust what the science has given us. And so I try to stay on the sites that I put a lot. I have faith in them and they really do on their research and, and they're, they're really doing their due diligence on, on their studies because it can come down and say, oh, well we messed up on that snippet. It's this nap. Oh crap, I missed that. Okay. So you kind of be kind of open minded a little bit because things are progressing fast in the genetic world.

Chad: 27:37 Well, yeah. So as we kinda close out this conversation about the importance of these tests and you know, our predispositions to things, could you give us, without divulging any personal information, of course, have any of your clients, but could you give us a, maybe a couple of examples of people that you're working with where you found something in their, uh, in their genetic testing that helped you then plan their nutrition plan, their exercise, or have them be able to look out for certain things because of these, these results?

Eric: 28:08 Yeah,  it happened a lot. One ell, some of them, the low hanging fruit you want to grab right away is first you look at their vitamin deficiencies. Okay. Because in their mineral, because some people are overloading and they're, they're, they're really efficient at Emma it at, um, the bioavailability of vitamin A or are there bees or, or whatever. So some of the people I've actually worked with them on, on their iron, uh, they, they have certain snips, said, uh, they couldn't really utilize iron at all and especially on, on, like on Coleen, uh, that's a big one is a, they call it the PN pla three for, for Colin, because a lot of deficiency of Coleen will affect your methylation, which goes into a whole other podcast and because that's 200 different pathways of health. So I've worked with people on beat, I've actually gotten eating liver because they're, they're, they're like a, they're really bad at, at their choline efficiency, so you have to boost up their colon and then you have to go from there to other minerals that might hinder their choline absorption.

Eric: 29:16 So there's, it's all, there's a big web and then, uh, on, on diabetes, I've worked with them on that, on certain, on certain snips and mutations because of their, they're on carbohydrates. Uh, their glucose tolerance. I'm done a lot of, even on, on exercising and working out. There's people have to, uh, like on, I'm prone to muscle tears. I'm really, I have the, the um, I'm homozygous I guess in a few of those snips and I never knew I tore a lot of muscles and all my training and I've torn a lot and they believed in, but I'm also also very lucky to have where I repair damaged very quickly on my muscles and I do, I repair very quickly. So it's really kind of, it's interesting to delve in some of the good stuff like, you know, on those kinds of lifestyle ones are kind of fun, you know, you're, you call it your eyes and different things like that and what you're capable of. But the others, he is constantly working with what you're prone to be addicted to, uh, you know, and uh, and that's a big field right now,

Chad: 30:24 What about nutrition planning as you've like maybe a couple of years, you've, you've shared with me a couple of your clients where maybe they should avoid some certain types of fat? Yes, because they have a snip in their, in their jeans or something. Can you give us some examples by that way in a way that you're acting as a coach and kind of this liaison between the report and what they should be doing doing nutritionally and fitness wise.

Eric: 30:47 And that's what's so important about Keto because we are basically going fat all right, and we're increasing your saturated fat, your mono and a little bit of your poly. Okay? And those are all good fats, right? But there is FTO and uh, people are ge and there's different snips that say, hey, I really don't metabolize fat saturated fat that, that. Well, okay. And I have clients who say, Hey, I, I just feel sick. Okay, that's the dairy usually. Okay. And then I look at that down there, 23andme and I'm like, oh great, here, push and fat and, and they're not really able to metabolize our fat. So then I have to bring them down on that kind of fat. Take them up on their mono unsaturated fat. Okay. Then I bring it up on their Omega three a little bit and get that ratio from Omega three to Omega six.

Eric: 31:35 A lot larger. And then then we slowly incorporate a little bit. I've had one that she knows that, but now through time she's adapting to a little bit of cheese and feeling really good. I mean obviously I'm going to look at you. If you're lactose intolerant, I'll see that snip say, okay, no wonder you have an issue with that. Okay. Or Gluten. I mean those are things we'll all pick apart and right away I could start changing their diet because everybody's jumping on the keto, which hey, I'm hundred percent Keto, but you've got to know if there's some issues that your body saying, Hey, no mas and I got to be careful here.

Chad: 32:10 Yeah. And there's a.

Eric: 32:11 It helps me as a coach,

Chad: 32:13 There's a lot of people that we've experienced and we've had the benefit through is podcast or your coaching as being having a presence in the key to a world. We've had the benefit of hearing a lot of different experiences with keto. And there's. I mean we are not, we're not shy at all about the fact that some people have gut issues when they go keto. They've got energy issues, they've got, you know, brain power, just, and a lot of those things, from what I'm hearing you say, and, and what I've watched you experience with people and clients and that sort of thing, is it, a lot of these things can be figured out through the genetic testing, which is ultimately what our messages for this podcast is that don't get so hung up on the predisposition to some of these, um, these undesirable things, uh, and, and definitely don't look at them as, as predetermined, right? But use it as a way to nourish your body better, take care of it better, and just be aware of what you're susceptible to.

Eric: 33:16 And there's so many that when, when I get really interested in, you've heard me talk about the BDNF, okay, that's a Jane that I look at right away. I look at the p power g because that's something that can metabolize fat and energy. And, and I know if you can do it or the FTO. I, I look at the course, the Mthfr, I look at the COMT for your dopamine, estrogen, you're neurotransmission. Um, there's just so many that I go into the BCO one, I mean a, m, a t, t, r a. there's so many that, that we look at it and I had mine done thoroughly and I, and I continuously, you know, I got some bad news obviously. Um, but I have some good news in there too, but, and that's the thing I don't get, I don't want people getting caught up on, on the hajj and living their life like, oh, you know, I'm, I'm predisposed to this now.

Eric: 34:06 Wait, thanks Eric. You gave me the best news out and then I'm the bad guy. It's like don't kill the Messenger. I'm a messenger. Hopefully will carry an additional message to help. Yeah, yeah. Well I don't want to learn all of those letters. You just rambled off. So I'm glad you told me. You told me to say at the beginning you said do not go into the snips. Yeah, yeah. I'll start calling out the numbers. You'd have 12, 98, 677. Hey. And you're like, uh, I'm just glad I have you in my corner to read those for me. And then, and then break it down to, to, to regular English. So yeah. Anything else? Just really quick. We've gone way over time. No, probably not. You're probably not your fault at all. We both, there was a lot to talk with this, but um, anything you want to make sure people understand before we walk away from this conversation?

Eric: 34:53 More than anything, this is a field that's evolving. Okay. And 23 and me is, is right now, you know, the place to go to, to have, have your genes, they give you a report but they don't go into too much depth. They Kinda Yay. Give you the basics. All right? And to get deeper you need to upload them into these other sites. Who is what I do. And then I choose four or five that I like and then I can actually get these analysis done and get a little deeper into it because remember, you know, there's. So there's different snips to every gene. It might be 10, 12, 14. So then you got to average it out a little bit and say, well overall you look really good here. And so there is, there is some, you got to analyze it and take a look at it, but it, it's not what you're going to. We're just going to, we're going to change that, you know, get excited about it. I think people should be really excited about it. I mean, yeah, especially getting, you know, getting that puzzle put together and then after that then we can check the blood markers and say if you're going in the right direction. So that's what's neat about the blood markers after that. So I can check out your minerals, your vitamins and your homocysteine and all your inflammatory markers in your blood lipids, I could say. All right, it's working.

Chad: 36:04 Well, Cool. Well thanks for taking a break coming out of the BioFit cave from reading all these reports and giving us a little bit of knowledge.

Eric: 36:10 I'm not done yet. I just,

Chad: 36:13 I know you do. Don't spend too much time in there. Come and come out and see the light of day every once in awhile. I just hope I'm a little late on a couple of. So I hope that a couple of you bio faders hang with me. I just had a grandkid the other day, so I got tied up for three days with that. So number 13, number 13, number 13. That's awesome. Congratulations. So anyway, thanks for biohacking with us, Eric. Yes. Oh, I appreciate it. And I want to thank you for joining us on this quest for optimal fitness. If you're ready to begin your own journey and live your life in Ketosis, be sure to check out biofitcoaching.com or BioFit coaching on facebook. Also, if this podcast has entertained you or educated you in any way or you enjoy the podcast, please consider going to itunes and leave us a five star rating and a review telling people what you love about the podcast that helps us reach more people and until next time, stay keto.

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