3/14/18 E29 Keto and Mindfulness: Meditation in Ketosis

Do you practice mindfulness? After this episode, you will! Mindfulness and meditation are fantastic resources for living a healthy and happy lifestyle. AND when you couple it with ketogenics, the results will blow your mind. Pun very much intended.

How can you practice meditation while eating?

Thinking and thanking for every step that brings food to your plate.

Considering the consumption.

What does it mean to PRACTICE meditation?

Eric describes his “island test”.

The importance of finding your own WHY on your journey.

Meditation does NOT have to look like you imagine.

Learning to just BE with your thoughts.

Morning vs evening meditation.

How keto can super-charge your mindfulness.

Meditation and mindfulness are not intended to be complicated. Sometimes we just need to take a moment to appreciate what’s around us and live in the moment. Fortunately, the benefits of ketosis make this process even easier!

Some resources mentioned in this episode:

Calm App: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/calm/id571800810?mt=8

Secular Buddhism: https://secularbuddhism.com/

If you have any questions on this episode (or any questions in general) don’t hesitate to reach out to us at bioteam@biofitcoaching.com.

If you’re interested in starting your own journey, you can find out more information at www.biofitcoaching.com or on Facebook at www.facebook.com/becomebiofit.


Eric: 00:00 And my wife was running behind me once and we were in this big trail and she's like, why are you touching the trees? What do you mean? She goes, you're touching things. I'm like, I don't know. I just want to appreciate and feel, feel it, you know? She's like, OK, that's a little different than just being weird and just really appreciating every little thing I can think of and see along the way,

Chad: 00:24 They say a journey begins in a single step or in my case, one less piece of bread.  

Chad: 00:34 My name is Chad and I am your test subjects. I have sought out an expert in the field of nutrition and fitness. I hoped would helped me feel better. They call him the biohacker, but I call him Eric. I hope you'll join me on a path of leads, you and I to optimal fitness as we live our lives in ketosis. This is the life in Ketosis podcast, biohackers guide to optimal body performance.

Chad: 01:08 Hello everyone. My name is Chad and this is episode 29 of my quest to achieving optimal body performance with the man that can get me there. The biohacker himself, Mr Eric Bischof every episode, I'll be sharing my actual results, both successes and failures as Eric teaches me how to apply the principles of ketogenics and functional movement to look and feel fantastic. Just as a reminder, the first five episodes of this podcast are foundational episodes. That's where you can get the foundational information that you need to know as we talk through some of these later episodes about ketogenics and functional movement. If you haven't listened to those, I encourage you to hit pause now. Go back, listen to the first five episodes and then join us back here. And today, I, I, I know I start every podcast with this. I really am stoked to have these conversations.

Chad: 01:56 I love learning from you, Eric, and I love the conversations that we have and, and so I don't want people to think it's disingenuous when I say I am really excited to have this conversation today. Cool. Um, and today is a special one for me because it's something a close to my heart. And today we're talking about mindfulness in ketogenics mindfulness is something that I have, um, made, uh, uh, a significant part of my life over the last probably two or three years, um, and it's, and it's helped me tremendously. So I kind of pitched this idea to you here. Can we, can we talk about this a little bit? I'd love to just kind of give some pointers or at least introduce the idea of mindfulness to our listeners and how it's effected my journey and my life in keto. Um, and you were kind enough to oblige.

Eric: 02:48 That's why it's something I need. No, I'm being honest. I, I, I think that mindfulness and you know, and uh, try to. I take some interest in meditation. OK. Which I, you really think I need to incorporate in my life because I'm pretty stressed. I'm always, I'm going from am to pm with studying and research. My wife thanks. You know, like I said before, like it's an OCD issue and I need to calm down and I've got a couple of bile fitters out. They're backed up. I'm going to say their name, Juliette and Teresa. There are a couple of buyers that are actually given me some links and some help for what meditation and Juliet's been in a long time. She's a real high level of tm and Theresa's been doing it and they sent me some links and I need to start pursuing that a little bit. So I. There's a, there's a weakness I have. Well, I've got a lot of weeks just saying. That's why I need to get into my mind.

Chad: 03:49 The reason I'm excited about this conversation is because I have to, I have to preface this right up front, is I don't have a lot of great language around this stuff. It's very new to me. Um, I listened to a lot of podcasts. I've read a lot of books, a lot of books by the Dalai Lama, different eastern philosophy books and that kind of stuff, but I still don't have some of that foundational language behind it. So it is going to be very rudimentary, very a entry level and very real. And that's one thing that I want to make sure that people don't want you to hit. Stop on this episode right now. And be like, oh my gosh, another person pushing this mindful crap. And that's the other thing I wanted to make sure I prefaced this episode with is it's very trendy right now to talk about mindfulness, which actually I like because it's getting more people into this space where they're comfortable being being more mindful.

Chad: 04:41 But I also don't like it because there's a lot of pushers that aren't real about it, you know, um, or there's a lot of extremists, for lack of a better term, you know what I mean, that are turning people off when they talked about that. So just know this is gonna be very applicable. It's going to be very rudimentary and uh, and, and I think it'll be fairly quick, but I think it'd be great. I look forward to, and now that I've built it all up, let's, I'm letting you take the lead on this. As I started thinking about this conversation, the first thing that I thought of was mindful eating. And um, you know, we've talked about a lot of people talk about meditation and when we talk about meditation and mindfulness, wow, there's an image that comes to our mind, right? And that's sitting in in full lotus or half lotus with our hands on our knees and our fingers touching and you know, that is a very traditional type of meditation and it has its place.

Chad: 05:39 And I do practice that type of meditation. Um, I'm not real particular about the way that my legs are our and our position or my hands are position, but I do utilize that type of meditation. There are, there are a million other types of meditation that people utilize, um, within mindfulness. Um, and, and I'm not going to actually talk specifically that much about this type of med or different types of meditation, but it's very interesting to me when I found out that there's a lot of people who practice eating meditation. And what that is, is it's basically being mindful through the activity of eating. Right? So it's not this, let me scroll through my phone when I'm eating, like not, it's not this, you know, let me just want to let my thoughts wander all over the place and just shove this food in my mouth.

Chad: 06:28 And I think, um, one thing that I've experienced as I've, as I've now been in the ketogenic lifestyle for a, I don't know what did I, it was June or July of last year, um, is what it's done for me is it's made my eating and the things that I choose to put into my body, I have to be a lot more mindful about, you know, what I mean. And so I, I know that's just a natural consequence of any type of a diet, for lack of a better term. I know I don't like, you don't, we don't like to use that word, but yeah, nutrition, that's a, that's a better way to put it. But, um, it made me a lot more connected to the food that I put into my body and how that's going to affect my body. Um, so I think it was almost in a way a forced mindfulness around eating, which was, which has been pretty interesting. Um, and I know you for you years and years, you've been very, very mindful about what goes into your body.

Eric: 07:33 And I actually got so mindful where I actually take it all the way to my electron transport chain, which is like, what did she think of that I'm fueling? Those are my energy substrates that are being converted to Ketones in normal glucose and everything. I actually, you know, sometimes when I'm eating and fueling, I call it fueling is where I'm actually thinking about my mitochondria and you know, the cytoplasm into the cycle until the transport chain is actually, there's a purpose for why I'm eating this food, not just for pleasure. I'm looking at it as fuel and in lot of people I coach start looking. I don't want to take the fun out of food, but if you think of it as fuel, OK, then you start appreciate the foods that you don't think taste is good as a maple bar or something.

Chad: 08:21 Yeah. And you said that to me right when I started this journey, you said you're going to start looking at food as fuel, not pleasure. Right? And that I think that was one thing that kind of boosted me into this mindfulness. And I'm exactly with you. I don't know as much the sciences you do. Um, I've, I've been able to glean some of that from you and, and uh, and catch onto some of it, but not as much as you as you have. Um, but I think when you told me that that's what made me a lot more often I'll sit down and think about how the food one, where it came from, right? And triangulation for that and appreciation to the animals that have given their life appreciation to the people who have made a career to bring food to my table, you know, all of that kind of stuff.

Chad: 09:08 And not only that, but then once it enters into my system, what is it doing, what is it doing for my body, how's it interacting with the organs and the hormones and all of that kind of stuff. And it's really interesting. So like when you think of, um, a lot of guided meditation, I'm like, if you were, if you were to download a meditation APP, which column is one that I use that I absolutely love and a lot of them do what's called a body scan. And this is, this is a guided meditation where they take you through your body. So you're there, you're relaxed and you're, you're pushing everything out of out everything else outside of your mind except for the things that are going on inside your body, your physical body, right? So it's feel your forehead, feel the top of your head, right?

Chad: 09:53 So you start with the very top of your head. Feel your scalp, Philly, not, not physically with your hand, but like, you know, you actually make a connection. Yeah, make a connection with the, the feelings that are there and then work it all the way down. You know, relax your face, feel all those muscles within your face, relaxed down, all the way down to the tips of your work all the way down. And it makes you, makes you very, very aware of what's your feeling. You know, and as you do it, you'll make adjustments. You'll make things feel a little bit better. You'll sit up taller you to all of these things, head to toe. I don't know, it depends on how. You totally depends on how much time you have. Honestly, you could do it in five minutes. You could do it in two hours, right? And, uh, and I've never done it in two hours or, or taking taken to our high intensity method. Thirty seconds. That's how I, probably opposite of what we're talking about, probably how I'd approach it. Like, Oh great, let me hit on this, but let me see how fast I could do this. I could do this way faster than any of you were going to compete on this chad.

Chad: 11:05 So anyway, the thing that brought this to mind for me is we often are so busy that we're not taking the time to think about what we're putting into our bodies. Even if we are keto. You know, sometimes when we get into that routine and we're just in a hurry or whatever, um, we're just throwing food into our body. We're not thinking about where it came from, what had to give its life, whose career, who has, who has built their entire career around this, you know, all of those and how that connects us with those people. Interconnection is a huge principle of mindfulness. We are literally interconnected with the world. I mean, if you think of one thing, right, if you think of, um, a piece of steak or a vegetable or something that you're eating and who that connects you with. Well, there's the person.

Chad: 11:58 Yeah, there's the people that own the company that decided to create a company to grow that. There's the people who harvest it. There's the people who drove it. There's the people who made the tires on the truck that drove the food to your local store. It, there's just, you know, there's a very, very deep rabbit hole that you can go down of people that you were connected with through your food and you would never do that unless you've got real mindful about your eating. That's true. Does that make sense? Yeah, and that's an exercise that I take my kids through on

Eric: 12:32 Have you done gardening at all where you grow your own vegetables the way mindfulness on you actually going to the soil and you're actually creating this and growing it and watering it and producing it. Yeah, I love it. I absolutely wanted it a little different connection that you would have with that on your, you know, naturally

Chad: 12:54 and I don't even a deeper level. I love watching my kids eat the stuff that we grew together in the yard and in order. I mean, and, and, and then looking at, oh my gosh, we had this pack of seeds earlier this year and now we're eating tomatoes that are awesome, you know, and it's been really, really.

Eric: 13:13 And when I grow my, my, my veggies, which I like, I, I really appreciate them. For some reason it bothers me. I ended up wasting so much and I, people running from me because I, you know, I've got all this squash and Zucchini and they're like, no, we're, we're good. Eric. Good. I feel bad, you know, dispose. I mean, I feel bad and there's a lot of people that could use it and we're working on a project for that in fact. But go ahead.

Chad: 13:38 Yeah, so that's the first thing I wanted to talk about. Just being more mindful as you can make it into a meditation of sorts and really do that body scan is you're eating, do the. I'm think about how it connects you with that inner connection is a really, really powerful thing. As you start to consider the way that you consume it connects you to people in a very personal way. In my opinion, that's what it's done for me. The second thing is non judgment. So this space is a very, can tend to be a very judgmental space. The nutrition exercise space. And when I talk about non judgment, I'm mostly talking about ourselves, how we look at ourselves, how we judge ourselves. I mean, you say it all the time, a lot of your bio fitters come in as, um, a status, right? They want that aesthetic benefit.

Chad: 14:36 They want to look different. And usually that desire to look different is because you have compared yourself with somebody else or with yourself either in the past or in the future. And I'm not here to say that I don't do this. I'm, I'm here to say that I'm practicing not doing it right. And that's all that meditation, mindful mindfulness is a practice, you know, it's kind of become catchy. This catch phrase, I'm practicing yoga or practicing mindfulness, I don't think. I don't know if a lot of people have stopped to think about what that actually means. It's same as practicing medicine, right? Um, or practicing mental health or you know, all of that kind of stuff is this, it's this idea that we're, we're progressing, we're learning where we're doing trial and error, a lot of self testing like what you're doing. Um, and so just keep in mind that just because I'm talking about these things, I'm not pretending that I own them or that I am good at them.

Chad: 15:41 I'm just, I'm talking about things that I am practicing. Right. And so that's actually a good point.

Eric: 15:47 I, I, I have to work on a lot of stuff myself and I and we are, we're kind of driven by what others are thinking of us and we've talked about before, the opinions of others make you a prisoner of that and I always used to bring up that that island tests, if I lived on an island by myself, would I do this practice, this is that important to me, would I, would I drive this or do that and what I have had a bike, but I ride it for that or whatever. If it, if you're by yourself on an item, would you operate the same way? Probably would operate a lot different. That's interesting because a lot of those things going to be important because nobody's judging you and nobody's looking at you.  I'm driving a golf cart and I'm totally happy, you know?

Chad: 16:30 Nor would they. Nor would. They might. They might not even come to mind right now because those are social constructs and thinking about it. Yeah. If you're there to take care of yourself and provide as good as you can, I call it the island tests. That's great. I mean, I, I take yoga from an instructor that's, she's awesome at this and one of the things she says at the beginning of every single class is, this is your practice. This is nobody else's practice. Don't worry about looking side to side. Don't look at anybody else. Look at, look inside yourself. Um, and so

Eric: 17:08 you think people fear looking inside themselves, possibly know what your real intent is about things in life, what, what makes you do things? It's like that. Why I'm a why guy like, why did I do that?

Eric: 17:25 It's kind of dragging. It slows you down a little bit because I'm going to just do it because my wife's like, you're always asking why I can shut up.

Chad: 17:39 But I would contend I would contend that that place of understanding why we're doing something in that connection with our why is a, has a much more impactful outcome. Agree if you just did it because you wanted to win a race or something there. And I'm not saying that's a bad one either. I'm just saying that wouldn't be my why. That wouldn't be a way for me. That would be really impactful

Eric: 18:03 when you determine the real why. Yeah, I think it's more lost and there's a purpose. We're back to that  purpose. Yeah.

Chad: 18:10 So is there anything that you do with your bio fitters to help them know or, or triggered this idea that this is your journey? This is, this isn't anybody else's journey. Um, this is your body, this is your, you know, write what you need.

Eric: 18:27 A lot of them I should do more. I will be frank. I should do more of that. It's, it's like so much on their plate at one time. I'm working in nutrition and some supplements and in a lot of them girl, you know, once they get past eight weeks, 12 weeks, and then I start bringing in more of the lifestyle, the purpose, you know, don't get into that yet because I'm going to start bringing that in for. And some, I do that then for a long time, but it's like step by step, you know, a little at a time because if you give too much, it's not sustainable. It's like doing what I, what I do, I do with recovery, uh, appreciation. Ron said, I think I did a Kiddo tip on it to where I actually will go on a Sunday morning or whatever day and do a long run, but I actually no music, no heart rate. I actually appreciate everything I see and come across and touch and my wife was running behind me once and we were in this big trail and she's like, why are you touching the trees? I'm like, what do you mean? She goes, you're touching things. I'm like, I don't know. I just want to appreciate and feel, feel it, you know? She's like, OK, that's a little different.

Eric: 19:37 Now I'm going to think I can go there without being weird. Am I just really appreciating every little thing I can think of and see along the way? And that's, that's part of them being mindfulness.

Eric: 19:51 Normally it's about I'm looking at my heart rate and listened to my breathing, my music. I'm, I'm, you know. Then you just got to have those appreciate icon appreciation workouts where use, enjoy and appreciate everything

Chad: 20:02 you can think of.

Eric: 20:05 You did a keto tip on one of those on our social media accounts a few weeks ago. It was really good. People really appreciated it.

Chad: 20:11 Yeah, that's awesome. Um, so one thing I know from my experiences in approaching you to be coached is one of the very first questions you asked me is why are you doing this? I need to know why you're here. And I think you were gauging a little bit a level of commitment, um, but also a level of what's the pay off? Could it be for you? And if it, if it's an event, if it's, you know, I want people to, I want to look better to people or whatever, then it's not going to be sustained. It's not going to be a good journey for you. And I very much got that feeling from you for from the day we started.

Eric: 20:48 lot of people that you know, such as, I have to bring in an event in because they're losing motivation until I can get them ketosis to where they feel they're starting to really feel the cognitive and the energy and that, that feeling of being in Ketosis. So I'm always reaching some way to keep them going, you know, motivating them and you know, then that aesthetic becomes therapeutic mean for the health conscious, you know, I have some that are competing and that's easy because everybody in driven by another factor basically, but some of them are, are being driven therapeutic. They need that. They're diabetic and it's a situation they have no choice but some people have just aesthetics. Then I'll start working in, you know, the other benefits. Yeah. That's great. Because you look pretty good when you came on board.

Chad: 21:36 Yeah. I think I. and the other thing is I see, uh, I see a lot of people talking on their social media and that kind of stuff that when there, it's, when they're having the hardest time, I think that's when they've lost connection with their why, you know what I mean? When they're complaining like, I'm so sick of this food or the food so hard or I don't feel like it today, or something like that, that's when it's a tall tale sign that they've lost the connection with instant gratification. Yeah. I'm not seeing anything. I don't feel anything. I'm like, ah, let's work through this. Um, and, and my third one. Um, so does that make sense of non-judgment? Helpful. Very helpful. OK, cool. So my third one, and I think this ties really closely back to the first one I talked about a mindful eating or meditation or meditative eating.

Chad: 22:28 This one is mindful meditation and I just wanted to give people a few pointers on if they wanted to go. Um, I am definitely not the authority. I'm really, nobody's the authority, but more people have. Other people have practiced more than I have. So I would encourage you to, if you're interested in it, find some tools, will link in some tools in the, in the notes, the show notes here so that people can easily find some tools. Like the calm, the calm app is really, really good. Um, there's another podcast that I listened to called, um, secular Buddhism, which is a really cool, it's not tied to necessarily a eastern religion or philosophy, but it's much more of the principles around mindfulness and meditation and that it's really, really cool. Um, Noah Rasheta is the host of that podcast. He's, he's an awesome guy. Um, and I've learned a ton from him.

Chad: 23:23 So the one thing that I want to make sure people understand is that meditation doesn't have to look any certain way. Um, it doesn't, like I said, it doesn't have to have any specific seating position. Some help you focus more, uh, but, but it doesn't have to, it doesn't have to include alms. Some people feel really dumb doing homes. It doesn't have to include anything like that. It doesn't have to include singing bowls or sound baths or anything like that. It doesn't have to. Those are all things that can be helpful in the meditative process, but it doesn't. I mean, some people do walking meditation, so lots of people do meditation on the subway. Um, and uh, you know, while they're in their commute to work or whatever and they have to, they don't want to look like they're doing something goofy. I don't know, whatever it is.

Chad: 24:16 So that's the biggest thing is I don't want it to, I don't want anybody to think it has to look a certain way. You have a practice those ways. Absolutely. Absolutely. In the appropriate times for sure. And um, my, my time for meditation is in the morning, so I'm usually up by about five, 5:30. I have to get my blood going a little bit so I'll do some push ups, I'll do some slip something and then I'll, I feel like I'll have the brainpower to go into doing some meditation. And the ultimate goal for meditation, a lot of people talk about meditation as clearing your mind and yes that is the goal, but I, this is an arguable point, but I'm, I'm saying you're never going to completely clear your mind. Thoughts are going to pop in. That's how it happened. I mean, that's how our brain works and you know, we've been trained, taught, educated to a, have a million things going on in March, our minds at once.

Chad: 25:20 So really what we're doing is we're training our brain to just push all of that out, um, and, and just be with ourselves in the moment. That's the essence of meditation, the chatter out, focusing on something so, so it helps to focus on some things, right? And there's a lot of different methods that you can practice. The one that works the best for me as his breath focused meditation. So I'm focusing on my breath. I'm in and out through the nose, deep, nice in and out through the nose. Um, and I'm, I'm visually a, if it's not a guided meditation or a body scan or something like that, I'm just visualizing the air coming in and it's good. It's all the goodness. It's the things I appreciate. It's all that sort of stuff and then breathing out and that's, those are the things that don't need to be.

Chad: 26:14 They're not necessarily the bad, but the thoughts that are clouding my mind, right. Just breathe that stuff out on your, on your exhale, and breathe in clarity and all that stuff on your inhale. Right? And so this can be any amount of time. It doesn't have to be a set amount of time. I set a timer. I'm usually about 10 to 15 minutes daily. I'm now. Here's the most important part that I would say from my experience is you have. This is where number two comes in, non judgement. If you sit down to meditate and thoughts are popping up and you start judging yourself for those thoughts, right? Oh, I'm supposed to be meditating. Why won't my mind clear? Whatever that, that's not going to get you very far in mindfulness or meditation practice what it, what it's about is accepting the thought. That's interesting, right? Don't judge it. Let it be there for a second and then push it back and just say, OK, well I'm, I'm good, I'm good with that thought. Now I looked at it, it, it's not valuable right now. Let me push that out. I'll take care of it later. Um, and not, not getting, you can't do meditation wrong. And if you feel like you're doing it wrong, that's when you can recognize that maybe you have some judgment towards yourself or towards the way meditation is supposed to go.

Eric: 27:39 Is it like the morning versus evening? Morning is usually you're getting getting, you know, you're at Carter's oils raising your thought patterns are usually what you got to do that day. What do you accomplish? Their kids or wife, whatever. OK. So do we have by nature, do we have more chatter in the morning or more chatter the night after your days done and what happened during the day? What you didn't do?

Chad: 28:04 I experienced it. I can only talk about what I experienced. I experienced a lot more in the morning. Yup. So I s [inaudible] I do. So I do my meditation in the morning, but then I do my yoga practice at night, usually a couple times a week. And at the end of every yoga practice we have a basically a meditative session, usually about five to 10 minutes long where you've just put your body through some pretty extreme strengthening exercises. You've focused on every part of the body. And then you go into this relaxed state of meditation. It's incredible. It's some of the best feeling I have ever felt ever. But I notice in those moments it is a lot better for me to just be empty and, and just not nothing running through my mind. I've taken care of the things for the day that I needed to. If I didn't get to them, I've put them on tomorrow's plate, you know, that sort of stuff.

Chad: 28:58 So that's a great question that might help a lot of people also love that you brought it to the science of keto because that's what we're here to talk about. And here's where I feel like my meditation, my meditative practice has been enhanced with keto is when my body is burning ketones. I experienced mental clarity. Right, right. We've talked a lot about that. And I think, um, from my personal experience, the feeding my brain ketones coupled with mindful meditation, it's like taking that mental clarity at moments and just putting it on steroids. And it's been really good. And I mentioned, you know, a couple of weeks ago that I went out of, of keto, couple shows ago, I went out to keto just to kind of experience some life outside of ketogenics again, so I could re appreciate keto and all that kinds of stuff and the way I feel and I realized that it actually affected my meditation practice as well quite a bit. And, and, uh, I just felt like, you know, my body was fueled in a way that I'm allowed me that space to be mentally clear and you know, and, and focus on one thing,

Eric: 30:15 you know, what'd be awesome, just give me a really good idea because yeah, I self experiment everything. I'm going to do that 10 day fast next month. OK. But I don't meditate. I, I have to learn, you know, and it wouldn't be enough time, but maybe it'd be awesome to see you the obvious, like a five day fast because water only because that would get you into the higher ketones. OK. So your brain would be really getting a lot of Beta hydroxybutyrate molecule and see, because I know on my fifth, fourth day for fifth day my cognitive was so enhanced because of my Beta was higher. It was in those around me or like I said before, Eric, I can't believe you're in the zone like no other. I was like, you know, my wife said she liked me. Fascinating. Better than normal person because I was really nice and really attentive and just spot on and be neat to have some way that meditates to see what level you feel in a fasting state with the ketones.

Chad: 31:18 You though you're using whatever Excuse you can get to get me into this five day fast.

Eric: 31:25 I think those out there would love to hear. I mean be really interested in that experiment and it's something I can't do a. I can talk about the cognitive part, but not meditation. We're taking you to a higher level. You know that you become in your meditation. That would be really interesting to think about it. Think about a fascinating. Great. I got a lot of biofitters. I have one. He's on his fourth day to day, Robert, he's gone five days and he's done one before, but he may go six or seven. I don't know how to talk to them about it, but uh, he's, he loves it. Really feels we. We're not talking about fast, but I'm still with you. We might do it.

Chad: 32:08 Yeah, that would be really interesting experiment. I think that'd be great. Well, anything, anything that you feel like I should clarify or any questions or anything that you.

Eric: 32:18 I think you helped me. I mean, it's a great podcast. I, I, I really need to get in that path a little bit more and take the time to learn meditation and, or, and I do have my quiet times and my thoughts and that was kind of things, but I would like to take it to a better, a higher level, let's say, you know, especially with the Ketones, I, I, I think I'd

Chad: 32:40 like to experience that now. I think it's an incredible combination. So anyway, so like I said, there's so much out there, there's so many great tools out there and we'll link some of those tools. I want, I'll just repeat, I'm not positioning myself as a guru or a already. I'm just somebody who practices and has found a lot of benefits from. Maybe we should bring somebody on. Yeah, that would be grilling.

Eric: 33:03 You ask great questions because I'm, I'm a Newbie and it'd be awesome to, to have somebody that really experience meditation, what, what, what practice and what they do and there's different, you know, a lot of that different stuff that I'm not sure if. Yeah, absolutely.

Chad: 33:19 Well, thanks for bio hacking with us today Eric.

New Speaker: 33:22 No, thank you. Not Me. Thanks for hanging with us today, Chad. I guess ask questions today. I kinda liked it.

Chad: 33:29 Yeah, exactly. Well, that's awesome. I also want to thank you for joining us on this quest for optimal fitness. If you're ready to begin your own journey and live your life in Ketosis, be sure to check out biofitcoaching.com or biofit coaching on facebook. A lot of great keto tips, discussions, all of that kind of stuff on there. Go ahead and jump on there if you have a question or just want to get involved in the discussion. Also, if this podcast has helped you in any way or entertained you, please, we encourage you to go on itunes, leave us a five star rating and a review talking about why you like the podcast that helps us spread the word. Um, and finally, finally, finally, the greatest compliment that you can give us is sharing this podcast with your friends and family, those who love that need these principles, um, and that, that these principles can help. And until next time, stay keto.