E18 Using Keto to Overcome Depression: McKay’s Story

On this week's episode, Eric and Chad bring in another BioFitter to share his story. McKay Coombs is the guest today and he has an amazing story! He speaks candidly with the guys about his journey fighting weight gain and depression to turn his life around. Eric has spoken about the ability of ketogenics to literally change lives, and McKay is living proof of that.

McKay's first year in college included gaining the "Freshman A Lot".

How McKay experienced the therapeutic benefits of ketosis.

Eric's first challenge to McKay, and McKay's response (Spoiler: It was "Hell No").

How a "normal" diet results in continuous highs and lows.

The science behind McKay's keto-inspired feelings of euphoria.

Keto is not a magical formula. But it is a scientific one.

How McKay overcame fears and anxiety to complete his first triathlon.

It's time to let go of the shame.

McKay's advice to anyone getting started on their own journey.

We want to give a special thanks to McKay for talking so openly about his ups and downs, successes and failures. Eric takes pride in each and every person he coaches, but he loves nothing more than helping people overcome their health and cognitive issues. McKay's is an inspiring story about the life-changing potential of ketogenics and a coach that can get you there.


Eric: 00:01 I am used to people saying to me, hell no.

Chad: 00:07 Eric, it gets it all the time. You crazy. Hell No.

Chad: 00:12 They say a journey begins in a single step or in my case, one less piece of bread.  

Chad: 00:21 My name is Chad and I am your test subject. I have sought out an expert in the field of nutrition and fitness who I hoped would help me feel better. They call him the biohacker, but I call him parent. I hope you'll join me on a path of leads, you and I to optimal fitness as we live our lives in ketosis. This is the life in Ketosis podcast, a biohackers guide to optimal body performance.

Chad: 00:54 Hello everyone. My name is Chad and this is episode 18 of my quest to achieving optimal body performance with the man that can get me there. The biohacker himself. Mr Eric Bischoff. Every episode. I will be sharing my actual results, both successes and failures as Eric teaches me how to apply the principles of ketogenics, and functional movement to look and feel fantastic. Just so you're aware, the first five episodes of this podcast or our foundational episodes in these episodes, we lay the foundation of all the principals, Ketogenic and functional movement. If you haven't listened to those, I encourage you to hit stop now on this one. Go back, listen to those first five episodes and then join us back here. Today is an awesome day, uh, because we're doing something special. We've done one other episode similar to this with Jeanette. Um, but today there's three of us on the podcast. The more, the Merrier, right? Uh, and, and today we have Mckay Koon, koons koons with us. And Mckay is one of Eric's clients has been for awhile. And now we're going to talk a little bit about that, but Eric, from your perspective, gives us a little introduction to Mackay.

Eric: 02:01 OK. Hey, I'm excited that you're here. Mackay K is a, he's a then with me, probably two to three, almost three years. And I started coaching keto about a year ago. Kim, one of my bowel fitters. And I tell you what, it's just been awesome having K. I've been with him through his struggles. I've been through with him with his successes. I've trained with him. I've, uh, I just love the progress that he's made and it's, it's been bumpy, like, you know, everyone's going to have bumps along the way and there's obstacles, but what he overcame a lot of his training and his nutrition. Uh, it just gave me a lot of strength in, especially in coaching him. I, in fact in his bricks, we call it, you know, in his training, I call him my little machine. He's actually short like me. OK. But I, my, my little

Eric: 03:00 machine because when he's out running at 5:30 in the morning, he just has this look. It's just like I'm trying to, you know, encourage him, but he just so focused and he's like a machine. He just keeps going, set the pace. Everything is spot on. I always go there it goes. My little machine and I don't know if you hear because he had to do. Yeah. Music in years. So I always go there because my little machine, but what he's overcome those out there. You'd be excited to hear from him.

Chad: 03:30 We're going to talk a lot about, I mean, we're going to talk a lot about the physical benefits of Keto ketogenic lifestyle, but we're going to talk a little bit about the therapeutic benefits that you experienced, which had been huge for you. So I'm super excited to dig into that. But mccade get us started. Tell us a little bit about yourself.

McKay: 03:48 Well, um, so I kind of come from a family of. We're going to talk to the Diet scene where the we eat steak, Tito's everything. My Dad grew up on a ranch and so I remember years ago, my grandparents are still alive. We'd have these huge family gatherings and we'd have all the carbs and roles and potatoes and everything. Um, I guess in the sense of that too, we also had good fatty meats back then. Um, so I kinda grew up in a family where we love food. We really love food. And I went from middle school. I gained quite a bit overweight, um, tie school where I made some good friends and we were very act. We were always playing sports. I got into wrestling, which I really loved, and baseball, um, and then after high school went off to college obviously, and they have what's called the freshman 15. It was not the freshman 15 for me, it was the freshmen a lot.

McKay: 04:41 Now when you're in high school, I got it

McKay: 04:45 down to 118 pounds, so I was in the [inaudible] weight class and probably the heaviest I got was about 220 pounds. And that was without alcohol, right? That was just carbs and carbs. But when drinking and stuff helped me, not helped, but it got me to where I was always craving food because it, anyone that drinks, you know, like, Oh, you're always hungry or somewhere or. Um, so that was my thing is I'd always be to always be drinking that. And I think that was a really big contributor to how I'm, I started eating something like that. So, you know, um, but yeah, like I said, I got a game pretty much a hundred pounds and like Eric said earlier, I'm sure if you see me, I'm five, three, five, four. So that's a lot of weight, like I'll even, when I look back at pictures of me, uh, earlier and I'm like, Dang, what the heck was I doing?

Eric: 05:39 It's really those moments I got call a fake mustache regretted way. Eric regrets as must've been letting my kids call and they called it

Chad: 05:58 the Predator stache. That's better than the predators. Can I ask you before you go on and ask you, um, so college or high school you were wrestling. Did you wrestle in high school and college as well? So high school you're wrestling in high school going. I know I didn't wrestle best friends with a lot of wrestlers. I know a little bit about it, making weight, that kind of stuff. Talk a little bit, I mean, did you learn dietary discipline and exercise in those, in those moments of trying to wait or.

McKay: 06:37 So the biggest thing for me is my coach always told us, you cut play in half, you have half of it veggies and you cut the other half in another half. So you have protein and carbs and just just by that and with how much we practice, we would practice for three hours right after school and I got, that's how I was able to get down to a hundred, 18 pounds and I was hitting about a hundred and 40, 100, 35. So I mean that's not, that's not bad in a few months. Um, but no, I would definitely say that contributed a lot to me. I'm wanting to get down to the way I wanted to push myself. I wanted to get better. I knew that me wrestling in my size with carrying so much extra fat on me that it would not be very good wrestling a hundred 40 pound guys. So when once I got down to the weight that I felt I needed to be at was actually succeeding. I was actually doing very well. Do you remember how you felt? Oh, I felt awesome. I always remember coming out of practice three hour long practices after running and sprinting and everything and just sit down on the ground. I just sit there for five, 10 minutes and yeah, it was tired. I was tired, but it felt awesome.

Chad: 07:49 I can definitely feel that. And how old are you now? So I'm 23 right now. You're 23 now. OK Cool. So you went off to college, gained a bunch of way or. Yeah, turned your freshmen 15 into a freshman. 100. That's. There you go. Um, so tell me what, what started happening to you emotionally and mentally as, as some of that physically weight put on what I mean, what was happening simultaneously?

McKay: 08:16 It was embarrassing for me and in also in my family, I have a history with my mom's side and even my dad's side, we have a history of anxiety and depression. Very bad. So I mean I can say a lot of its genes to, but I know from gaining the weight that I, that just made me depressed and I could definitely see it was never really bullied or anything with my way. I mean, you kind of get out of high school and there was a little more mature, you know, but so that it was never anything like that or just myself. I felt like I was a little hard on myself and maybe for good reason because now that I saw that and now since I've been working with Eric and I've made friends that I can have the same goals with and support me, um, I think it was worth it in the end being hard on myself because I know I was better than that.

Chad: 09:07 So, and, and we're going to talk a little bit more about this as well, but possibly some of that depression has something to do with diet as well, like some of the things that are you're putting into your body, the chemicals that are going to your brain, all of that kind of stuff. And so we'll come to that in just a minute, but I want to flush this out a little bit more because I think your story is awesome. And I had a chance. I, I met Mckay on why mountain. You've heard Eric talk about why mountain, um, it's this brutal, a hellish one point one mile, but no straight up it. Yeah, it is. How do we, do you have any idea what the grade on that is for the most part? Eight and 12. Eight to 12 to 12 k we did, we ran up it and then we met at the top and we talked all the way down and you tell me a lot about your, about your life, about this story and kind of some of the benefits that you've reaped from a ketogenetic lifestyle, which is awesome. So I'm excited to get into that, but let's flesh out your story a little bit more. So when did you go from, so how did you go from freshman 100 to starting to, to get back physically and that kind of stuff? Is that when you met eric or was it before eric?

McKay: 10:26 So one of the trainers at the gym. I've known him years before that and I didn't even know when it was called South Valley. Jim, I don't even know Gavin was working there. And so I saw Gavin and he saw me at my heaviest weight. He's like, Dang, what happened to you? That. And then I also have my dad, who he, we were in the truck, I'm one day and he just looks at me. I know I've worked for my dad for awhile. He just looks at me. He says, Dang, you've gotten fat. Like he, he literally just blatantly said that. I'm like, you know what, you're right. You're right. And I knew I had to do something about that. So

McKay: 11:02 between going off to college and stuff, I mean I was still pretty active. Like I was always lifting. I was, I was hardly ever doing any cardio. I was always lifting. I really enjoyed it

McKay: 11:10 living. Um, and finally, once I got done down to the junior college that I was at and was able to come up here and go to the local university, I just committed and I got a gym membership and I met this group of friends that we've been doing stuff with and I just stuck with them. And that's kind of what really pushed me there until I met Eric who somehow got me up in that cycling around

McKay: 11:38 at 5:15 in the morning, which I still think it's pretty crazy when

Eric: 11:44 I told you what you're going to do someday. And you remember the exact words you said to myself. Hell No. He said, I told him you are going to do a triathlon. And he's like, hell no, I'm serious. He said that. He goes, you will never, ever, ever see me in the water. Exactly what I told him. I said, I said I would do a full marathon before I did a triathlon swim scheduling.

McKay: 12:11 Oh absolutely. Absolutely.

Chad: 12:19 So talk to me, cause I'm really, I love, I think you're an incredible case study for the therapeutic side of stuff, which eric talks about all the time. And I don't think, I'm assuming probably a good percentage of our listenership doesn't understand how incredible this therapeutic side, the ketogenic lifestyle. So I, maybe I shouldn't say that, but, but I, I think because when I talk to people, even people that say they're living keto, I'm, they don't fully understand what this thing does, what it can do for you therapeutically. So, um, how, talk to me a little bit about, in how per, how pervasive was this depression, um, for you, when you were at your lowest point, maybe when you were heavy and you know, down on yourself, how, how much did that occupy your mind and what was that like?

McKay: 13:10 Like I think if you asked anyone that had depression, it was every day, every day you're wanting to put that gun to your head. You're not wanting to live anymore. You didn't want to make anyway, you didn't want to go outside of your room. And that's what I would be doing all the time. So you don't kind of go with it.

Chad: 13:29 Not, not quite yet. I want to get a good understanding of how, how deep the deep seated this depression was.

McKay: 13:36 So it was really deep then. And then once I started working out and stuff and losing a little bit of way, be able to see muscle definition, like it started to really go to go away a little bit, you know, but it was still kind of stuck in there. I'm not sure how exactly how to explain it besides, it was just, it was just hard. Felt like this whole weight on my shoulder that I would look down and didn't wanna look anyone in the. I just want to look away. I don't want to talk to you. I want to do anything.

Chad: 14:06 So tell me, tell me some of um, Eric, this is where I hope you'll jump in a bit and give kind of your perspective as a coach. Um, but, um, tell me what, what were some of your thoughts when you were first introduced to Eric and ketogenics? I mean, W, I know some of my first thoughts when I heard high fat no car like this, this kind of craziness stuff that. And I've talked a little bit about that on the podcast is like my gear. You are up in the night high fat. Are you kidding me? Talk to me a little bit about what that was for. So

McKay: 14:40 I honestly, I don't exactly remember how Eric introduced me to keto. I just remembered that he was my trainer. He was telling me something that he felt was beneficial for me and I just decided to do it. That that's really all I kind of remember and I've, and, and maybe it was just, I had a good feeling then that maybe I just need to do this.

Chad: 14:59 I remember specifically Eric or, or, or with

Eric: 15:04 then I in I, that's when a couple years ago I started my Keto because I was training for an iron man. Amber and I felt so good mentally besides physically and all the power I had to throw down on the bike and the run and the swim that I thought, you know what? There's something really therapeutic about dish. And that's when I started delving into the therapeutic side into the science and really got into a deep and first thing that comes up in the Beta hydroxybutyrate molecule. OK, is such a powerful acts as an antioxidant, which we were talking about that reactive oxygen species in your brain and the Mitochondria to reduce that free radical damage so it makes the brain operate better, more efficiently, more energy and your cognitive and anxiety. Everything starts to change and you talk to me once before about some of those struggles you have and I thought, you know what, and and you're young, you're 22 or 21 and I didn't have a lot of keto, bio fitters that are young and I said, you know what? I'm going to get him on this journey. That's really, that'd be Anna. And I approached him on it and we only had a really great discussion about your, your, your health and from physical to mental and your motivation, your, your future, your career. And we had like a two hour discussion and that's. I remember that's when I said, all right, I'm going to initiate this and this young guy.

McKay: 16:31 Yeah. So how, talk to me about the start. Was it difficult? What were some of the struggles when you started? This job was definitely going from

McKay: 16:40 binge eating all the time, eating all the carbs that I could possibly get my hands on to eating, just eating a, taking those away because eating the fats that I actually wasn't that hard for me. I always love sausage and Bacon and everything and I always. And with my eggs, my eggs really fatty, just put coconut oil and whipped cream and butter and everything and I just loved it.

Eric: 17:07 I started baking. Always break about your bacon. Oh yeah. That was from us.

Eric: 17:13 His own farm. I mean he got some bacon there,

McKay: 17:17 so yet another. So my younger brother had a pig. Wow.

McKay: 17:20 Back. And he was able to, uh, we're. Were you slaughtered and killed or whatever. And uh, I don't know if I could say that on this podcast

McKay: 17:27 I'm going to talk about killing pigs were butchered that we have. We have our own band and stuff and sausage and bacon and it was really good. Yeah. That's awesome. So that's great. So it sounds like cutting the carbs. What about tracking macros? Was that OK? Yeah, that was it

McKay: 17:45 kind of easy because he, Eric introduced me to my fitness pal and that's where I kind of was able to make sure it had the 75 percent fats and made sure I have the right percentages of everything and I always had eric to be there. He'll be able to check me and know like, Hey, you're not on and you need to embrace this more, your lower whatever. So that, that was kind of easy for me honestly.

Chad: 18:08 So dietarily it sounds like you made a pretty good adjustment rather than pushing out all those cards when you went to. Was there, was it difficult when you went to family dinners or were

McKay: 18:21 talk a little bit about. I, I mean I wouldn't really stay in that long be cut because of stuff like that might every Sunday for. We're always having the steak and potatoes and everything like that and that was a really big struggle and it's still, it's still kind of is to be honest. I mean there's days where Sundays I don't have any carbs, I didn't have any carbs, Saturday or something, and I'll say I'll just save a little pile of mash potatoes, just throw a whole bunch of butter in it and that's what I kind of do. And that kind of satisfies, satisfies me a little bit.

Chad: 18:53 Yeah. A little bit of potato with butter. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. That's how I do it. I don't love it. I love it. That's keto. So. No, that's cool. That's great. So what did you start to notice physically as you got into the keto lifestyle? Physically,

McKay: 19:12 I felt like I could do a lot more, a lot more power. I noticed that was the biggest thing is I had felt I had a lot more power, um, going through cycling where I thought I was always trying to push. I fell as pushing my heart. It's pushed my hardest and then once I started getting into keto and it was actually starting to affect me, I started to use the ketones more. Um, I felt really good and I felt like how you go longer time, I could burst out and fast, fast distances for longer time and not feel so tired at the end. I'm sorry. I just felt good,

Chad: 19:55 Eric, before people start to think we're selling some sort of magic potion or something like that. What can you talk about the science? What, what was happening in my brain as he starts to experience this euphoria?

Eric: 20:08 Yeah, because before he was glucose fed, as we've talked about the brain, you know, fatty acids can't cross the blood brain barrier, so he's continuously relying on glucose to feed the brain. That's a fuel source for the brain. It has to be OK. So he was always, we're back to that insulin spiking, you know, keeping the insulin stable so he's up and down, up and down and even talk about he, it, it was to the next crash, to the next high, to the next crash. So dopamine in the brain saying, Hey, reward center, it's kind of a short time reward is not a future goal type of motivator. That's dope. Me, if you can get in that control, run at high, low, high,

Eric: 20:48 low, high, low, and with depression and mood and anxiety, that's what happens. All right? But finally you can get something to the brain and to the rest of the body as another energy substrate that's cleaner fuel producers, more ATP in the Mitochondria. More energy, like I said, less free radicals. Your inflammation clears up and that's issues with, with anxiety and mood disorders is you're going to have some inflammatory issues. So through the science of the molecule, the Beta, it reduces the cytokines and or Lukins all these, you know, a tnf and all these, uh, inflammation pathways and your brain starts to function like it's supposed to. And that's the exciting part. It really, and for, for mood disorders, not just to make you faster, you know, stronger and more endurance and whatever your goals are and body composition is insulin change. You become insulin insensitive. He's not having any more spiking, OK? And he's finally got a good baseline going. You know, that's incredible. I mean, I just want, I want people to understand that I think most of our listenership understands this, but yeah,

Chad: 21:56 posing that this is some magical potion that, that helped mackay become not depressed anymore, you know, it's, there's little science behind it. We are feeding our brains something that is sustainable.

Eric: 22:08 Well, and it's clean and it's it. And, and I've been around it long enough that it's not a placebo effect because you making changes. It's just not taking a pill which you say, well, is it the pill or is it the placebo effect? Which, you know, antidepressants. It's still 50 50 about all right, but with this, that changed it. What they get excited about because they feel the realness of it, the clarity, the energy, no cravings, no hunger. That spiking and things are under control. So it's not placebo.

Chad: 22:43 So how much you talk to me? How did you go from this answer of Hell? No, you'll never see me in the water. You know, I'm used to. I am usually people saying to me, hell no. Nobody gets it all the time. Are you crazy as hell? No. That's what I told him when he wanted me to to cycle in a sauna overall over hot rocks and I said, no, I've seen the scars on your budget. You just kidding. You have to listen a little more critical few episodes to find out what we're talking about their every day. My wife won't listen to you. So how did you go from that space of there is no way I'm doing this

McKay: 23:31 to. What was it three months ago? Four months ago. You. September. So you, you did your first triathlon. That was awesome. I think it was definitely the, the, the help from

McKay: 23:47 the guys that I was working out with.

McKay: 23:50 We had a bunch of, about 60, 65 or six other outfitters. Yeah. We're all doing them up together. So all in Ketosis, ketones all coached by Eric.

McKay: 24:04 Exactly. Um, and so just seeing guys like Steve and Janette that can never know. She couldn't even get in the water. She was so cold. And knowing that I wasn't the only one that was struggling. But then they started picking it up and I was like, OK, I really don't want to do this. I'm never going to figure this out. But for some reason I just kept with it and had eric and Lisa both telling me that it's just going to click. It's going to click on Wednesday. The swimming. The swimming part. Yes, exactly. Why you refuse to do it. Yeah, exactly. So I had no problem with the cycling and running. I've been doing for years, but the swimming, they just, they just kept on telling me it would click, it would click in one day. It really did it as like, OK, I guess I can do this now. And it am I getting in the water. I guess that's what you're kind of wandering. It's, it was just the not being able to breathe and not breathing. Right. And once that hit, that's where like, OK, I'm fine. I mean I just stuck with it I guess.

Eric: 25:08 And it was that next step I knew was we got him in the pool first. Yeah, that's true. I'm just telling this story. It's not a story. I watched him and I got them going and he was heading toward the deep end of the pool. I say, why is he stopping? And he noticed it was deep. Well, that's the thing. I saw it and I'm like, OK, no way. I am not going to cross that. He turned around and I said, hey, hey, keep going. It's like, ah, in your words are going to get him in deer creek, coldwater open water, open water in the lake, and I go at 6:00 in the morning where it's just the sun's coming in. It was unbelievable when he met us up there and we started going to deer creek. It's a reservoir. It's pretty cool water to.

Eric: 25:58 Well not compared to the other. Yeah, the Spanish fork reservoir. Our reservoir is cold. Cold Creek was like, OK, it's a little warm. I can do that. But you had to go further out. Yeah. That's the thing. You're in the deep water and I remember I swam with you the first time, which I am side by side and I was like, he's doing way better than I imagined. He just took right to it. So that was exciting. So what happened talk, what role did eric play in getting you to that point where you were a OK to, to try and be actually do it, get to the race and, and do that.

McKay: 26:32 The encouragement and telling me [inaudible] when, when I met Eric, I was, he was someone that I really started looking up to you and I knew if he told me something that I should just probably listen

McKay: 26:45 and no, I mean like really that's, I've really looked up to eric a lot and he's really helped me get to where I am today. And even back then when I was trying to learn to swim, when I was trying to get in the open water, I just, if Eric was there with me and my OK, I'll just go. I know Eric's decent swimmer. You can save me from going to drown. Um, so I don't know what. OK, what was, it wasn't what I, I, I'm too competitive. OK. I want to do a lot better. But the swim, it was good and this is great. Just their faces before of that water. I was like, OK, this is the hurdle here. Yeah. It was really was a big hurdle there because each race time you're scared. Your heart rate's pumped up.

McKay: 27:37 Soon as you take off your heart rate's going to jack it up because you said I'm quitting. I done but don't want to. I thought, yeah, I said just work through those four minutes and sooner or later it lets up and I think every one of you guys got to that. No, they were ready to turn around and everyone did I think, and they're out there for minutes and everybody had that feeling like, oh, I can't do this, and even with the water, and this was a bear lake when the water was only three, four feet deep, you can see at the bottom and I was still freaking out, but w we had like 80 guys in the wave and that was part of it too. You have everyone's splashed orange. He did. He did want was. We just had to persevere and just go through it and eventually I got through that and I was.

McKay: 28:25 I was sweating bullets. I kept thinking someone's going to be coming back in. This is making another biophysicist so coming back here and I'm like, oh my gosh, please, please ensure enough. No, no one did. It was great. So post race, I mean it's a huge deal, man.

Chad: 28:43 You went from a hundred pounds overweight in college to living keto and doing something you'd said you would never do that. So tell me what does it feel like?

McKay: 28:54 It feel awesome. I was on a high for weeks, weeks. He was just ear to ear and I tried to get to the finish line, but I was Kinda to last what and in charge trying to push it and try to push them to the line. In fact, I kept yelling at him, yelling, go steve, because he wrote somebody who was in behind the Julio was that really, really was right behind him.

Eric: 29:14 I'm yelling go Julio because he wants to beat Julio and another one, but there was no julio there because we couldn't even see him and my wife's like, what are you doing? I go, oh, he hears that word. Julio. He's gonna and he did. He picked it up and he goes back later. He goes, where in the hell was Julio? I don't know, but we never saw him. He goes, oh, that wasn't funny. So lesson learned. Now I'm starting to wonder how many things you've said to me to motivate me that we're a flat out lie by these people. And they're looking at me like, who is he? Yell at you. There's no one there goal. You want him to see me looking at him.

Chad: 29:58 That's awesome. So you've accomplished that. I mean, what does it feel like to know that you've got that under your belt? You have more races in store or what's, what's going on?

McKay: 30:07 What it was right after we were my goals for this year in September we're going to be doing half triathlon, half ironman. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the next year, step half a huge from a sprint to the next year. I think me and one of the other guys were trained with, we want to do an Ironman, legit ironman. So, and it's recorded now, and a few thousand listeners are going to keep you accountable. That'll keep me accountable and just follow him on, on zuwire, the biofitters button because all his workouts going to be on there now. So you're stuck with me. Will keep people accountable. Listeners, that's great. Um,

Chad: 30:57 so that Eric mentioned there's a, basically an online platform that everybody that's in the Bio fit program is there together communicating and logging their workouts in their diets and all that kind of stuff and it's actually being transferred over to connect and all of those out there in Ketosis, get on it and give each other props.

Chad: 31:19 That's a platform that anybody can get on wire by Eric. You don't have to be a biofitter. You can get on there and be held accountable to your ketogenetic lifestyle, your functional movement, all that kind of and make friends and you'll start communicating to each other. And it's really. And that's what it's designed for. About two more questions. One for Eric, one from a k, and that's how, that's how we'll wrap up if that's OK. So Eric, I just want to ask you, I mean, I, I want to give you a time, a little bit of time to just brag about Mckay, talk about his progress, um, and uh, and just what it's been like to coach him.

Eric: 31:57 I don't know, it, it's, it's been fantastic actually. It, there were some struggles for him and their struggles and when I coach are my struggles to OK just, it's just how I take it into him. You know, my heart basically watched that firsthand and I never. There's no giving up. And what was so neat about it was he never gave up, you know, at times I could see in his eyes that he had that look cause he was scaling out, scaling back in, but just from what it was is, you know, short myself, overweight, you know, young guy and you know, and it's hard. He's, you know, he's still in school and still got to work and he doesn't have all the free time in the world for him to make the sacrifice and actually changes life at this age. A lot of us don't learn until you're later on. I mean forties, fifties to actually make a big change in his lifestyle and he's been able to do this living at home with. I know you have great food and he's talking about is all the deserts and all the good food that's being made and he's just really self disciplined themselves to do it and just to get them through all his training and his positive attitude and he just keeps plugging away and he's had some setbacks but he keeps getting back up and that's what I really appreciate and admire in for.

Chad: 33:17 What are some things. I'm going to throw an extra question there. What are some things that our listeners can learn from Mckay's journey that, that are normal and maybe people don't think they're normal.

Eric: 33:30 Just expect struggles. OK, and know that if you stick to it and you got support and is a way to keep engaged and keep accountable that, that you can get through it. And I tell all my bio fitters and anyone that never say never because you could get knocked out and there's not. People say, I don't ever go out of Ketosis, but next thing you know you're been gene and you're like, oh my gosh, where'd this come from? That happens. Just get back in ketosis and don't be afraid to try. And that's, that's exactly what he did. He just never gave him and wasn't afraid to try. And he's even making more goals. And that's exciting.

Chad: 34:07 And one thing I would add to that is let go of the shame. We've talked about that over and over again on this podcast, but one thing I love listening to you tell your story, Mckay, is that I feel like you've, you've come to a place, and maybe I'm way off here and you can tell me if I am, but it seems like you've come to a place where there's, there's no shame around where you were and there's no shame about even going out now and then coming back in, you know, it's just life and there are those ups and downs. So that's really, really cool in my opinion. So, uh, last question goes to you, um, this is how we used to, or this is how we like to end these podcasts. Where we have guests on is I want you to, what advice do you have for any listeners who are either considering keto or maybe struggling with keto or maybe they're not just, just life advice, integrating a ketogenic lifestyle, functional movement. What, what advice do you have?

McKay: 34:59 Just don't give up. And like we just said, there's no shame to where you've come from, no matter how much weight you've put on, no matter, no matter what triggers are going through, no matter what you've done before. Just forget about the past key moving forward. I mean, I know I still go in and out of keto, quiet more than, more than I should. I'll even admit I, I go out all the time, but I always come back because I know what it does. Even just coming back in for a day, fasting a whole day. I feel good just doing that because I know fasting or whatever it is, cleaned out my body. Um, so if you get off, just get back

McKay: 35:38 in and there's times I've actually seen him come in and I just look at him. I go get that keto saying, I know, I do see it. I feel it's so strange. I know, I know him so well and I never throw Gill's Adam. He does. He gives you the little, the teasing or giving back your back that, you know, you want to get back here a little hazing a little bit there. Yeah, that's fine. Do you know and I need that person. That's personally for me. I kinda need that. Yeah. Yeah.

Chad: 36:08 Did you feel like you would be in this position? You are and you look awesome by the way you look. So like I'm not even close. I mean I don't want this to be awkward or anything, but when I, w when you walked in from last time I, I was, I met you, you just look good physically.

Chad: 36:27 I mean it's, it's awesome. So I think I just, could you be where you are today without that community or accountability in no way?

McKay: 36:37 No Way. Yeah. Yeah, I think I completely agree. I am. I'm the exact same way and even if you're not key, even if you've never heard of Keto, like you need to find that kind of community so you can always find that somewhere. You have to have those friends that will support you and have the same goals as you for sure. No matter, no matter what you're doing in life. Yeah. Well thank you so much. You've been awesome. Has Been. We really, really appreciate you coming on the podcast and I really appreciate it because when I approached him he was like a [inaudible]. It's a big step, but he's not real communicator. He cut it, but now I guess that. How can I say, yeah, you sound great for our podcasts. You want to be careful,

Chad: 37:24 grateful for you sharing your story, being open with us and candid, uh, talking about your struggles, talking about the successes and everything in between because we all have them and that's, that's huge. Eric, thanks so much for biohacking today, man, and I want to thank you for joining us on this quest for optimal fitness. If you're ready to begin your own journey and live your life in Ketosis, be sure to check us out at biofitcoaching.com or biofit coaching on facebook, lots of great suggestions, helpful hints and discussions happening on those venues. Also, if this podcast has helped you in any way, um, or if you've gotten any benefit out of it or if you just enjoy it and it's entertaining, please feel free to go ahead and give us a rating on itunes and leave a review as well. That helps us reach more people.

Chad: 38:09 It gives people a good idea of what the podcast is up is all about and, uh, and really helps us get, get out their final thing. Um, we have a lot of people that are contacting us and thanking us for the podcast and, and the information that we freely give here. The greatest compliment that you can give us is sharing the podcast with those who you love and those who you care about. This literally is changing lives as you've heard from a case story. And that's our goal. That's our, that's our mission. That's Eric. Eric has a pretty big goal for, for bio fit and this podcast and how many people he wants to reach with it. And so, uh, the greatest compliment you can pay us as just sharing the podcast with those who you, who you love and know. So anyway, until next time, stay keto.