E12 Part 2: How a Keto Diet can Help Prevent Obesity and Type 2 Diabetes

This is Part 2 of our 2-part series on ketogenics and how it can help those who are pre-diabetic or dealing with Type 2 diabetes. As well as, what a keto nutritional program can do to PREVENT the same! A diet based on healthy fats holds the answers to those suffering from the issues that affect millions of people around the world. And Eric has made it his mission to spread the word! In this episode, we get some new solutions to an old problem.

Obesity or insulin resistance, which comes first?

We need to start viewing food as fuel for our bodies.

Fuel Sources: Carbs vs Fat. Which one is the kindling for the fire and which one is the logs?

How to strip away emotional eating from our lives.

How fat gives us double the energy of carbohydrates.

I'm in it for the Beta!

How a keto diet leads to feeling satiated AND losing cravings!

What keto does for inflammation: the root of all problems.

Exogenous Ketones: Do they work?

Combatting the billion dollar glucose industry.

And lots more! As always, Eric likes to take it deep while Chad distills it down for the average listener. This episode is jampacked with solutions for both preventing AND reversing the effects of the carb myth.


Chad: 00:00 They say a journey begins in a single step, or in my case, one less piece of bread.

Chad: 00:10 My name is Chad and I am your test subjects. I have sought out an expert in the field of nutrition and fitness. I hope it helped me feel better. They call him the biohacker. I hope you'll join me on a path of leads, you and I to optimal fitness as we live our lives in ketosis. This is the life in Ketosis podcast, a biohackers guide to optimal body performance.

Chad: 00:42 Hello everyone. My name is Chad and this is episode 12 of my quest to achieving optimal body performance with the man that can get me there, the biohacker himself. Mr Eric Bischof. Every episode. I'll be sharing my actual results, both successes and failures as Eric teaches me how to apply the principles of ketogenics and functional movement to look and feel fantastic. The first five episodes of this podcast are foundational episodes, so if you haven't listened to those, we encourage you to go ahead and push. Stop on this one now. Go back to the first five episodes, meet Eric, get the foundations of ketogenics functional movement and but blood marker analysis and then come back and join us here. Anyway, today is exciting. It's fun because we get a followup episode from last week, right? So this is where, this is the rare occasion where we are following up on a discussion that we had last week.

Chad: 01:36 And so in addition to the five foundational episodes, if you haven't listened to the last episode, which is episode 11, you're gonna. Want to go back and listen to that before you listen to this one because there's a lot of questions and a lot of things that we discussed in that episode that we're now going to answer. We're going to bring those to life. We're going to bring them to our daily routines and all of that kind of stuff. So if you haven't listened to that, go back and listen to it and then come back and join us here again. So Eric, bring us up to speed. I mean, we had a conversation last week. Some people aren't gonna. Remember everything that we talked about. What are some of the things that we're addressing in this episode?

Eric: 02:12 Well, uh, last week we talked about obesity and Metabolic Syndrome which can lead into insulin resistance and then pre-diabetes and type two diabetes and the diseases that come along with all of this, which is cardiovascular disease, kidney issues, fatty liver disease, neuropathy number, type three diabetes, which is Alzheimer's. So I also, I want to make sure last week I didn't come across blaming insulin-resistance on obesity. OK. Cause my concern is insulin resistance and how to attack this epidemic. We really don't know the exact cause of obesity and insulin resistance. Does, it'll be shitty cause insulin or is obesity caused by in some resistance and other like hormone issues or some type of cellular dysfunction. Uh, like I said, I have obese clients that have the great biomarkers. They don't have insulin resistance. And I've, I've, but I've witnessed a lot that have obtained in some resistance to weight gain.

Eric: 03:25 I mean, I have family and friends and those that I've coached that you know from poor eating habits that I've witnessed, you know, that their waistline increases their signs of metabolic issue, their insulin resistance. They start having and they get warnings from the doctor and doctor says, Hey, you continue this bad food eating this crappy stuff, the fast food and all the sweets. Sooner or later you're going to be pre-diabetic, which they are. Then it's going to lead you to type two, and I've even. I've talked to us and encourage us to stop eating this stuff because sooner or later they're on. They're on meds orally and then the doctor says you're going to be insulin injections and so you know what caused that. It was that, that path of excess carbs in obtaining becoming obese. So it is caused by that. But then there's other people who are are totally obese in good health and I really have never coached. I have lean guys in lean women that don't have any of them that have insulin resistance, but there is a lot of them out there that are in good shape and they have insulin resistance. So I just wanna make sure I didn't come across.

Chad: 04:32 So that blame. It sounds like you're making two disclaimers. What are those disclaimers is a correlation, does not necessarily indicate causality. Yeah. So that's the first one it sounds like you're making. And then the second one is it's kind of a chicken and egg sort of situation. You know, you asked that, that age old question, which one came first and we don't, we can't pinpoint that or we can't. We can't objectively say, uh, in general this is how it goes because everybody's case is different. Is that correct?

Eric: 05:04 And I have clients that are overweight and they don't eat. They have hormone issues like thyroid and Cortisol. And so I'm on that mission to, that's their issue. It's, I can't assume everybody's obese because they just can't put down the food and they're lazy and they're not working out. And I have more compassion for these people now, but I still don't forget, I'm not forgetting about aesthetics and those athletes that want to get faster and better and that's all part of my mission too. But you know, the mission part on this is we've got a lot of unhealthy people out there. And if you're out there and you have some of this, pay attention to this podcast and, and think about what we're talking about, you know, find a coach, if not, whatever you. This is a great pathway.

Chad: 05:48 Talk about it. Yeah. So last last episode is where you got to really depress us. Yes. And we walked away like Charlie Brown with our heads and that sad song. But this week is our redemption week, right? This is where we come up with solutions or not come up with but discuss our solutions. Um, and the hope for which seems what, which changes course. It could seem like a hopeless situation. We're gonna we're gonna add some immense amount of hope to those situations today, right? Yep.  So where do we start?

Eric: 06:22 You know, I, I start with to make a change in your life, pick your fuel. Uh, and I, and I talked to my clients about that. What will be your main fuel source? OK, that, that energy substrate, you know, to get into that krebs cycle into the electron transport chain to make that ATP, that's a choice we each have to make. All right, so we have what we call npe. I'm not sure if you've heard of this, but it's called metabolic potential energy, right? So that means we have two primary sources of fuel for OK, that's our. So should we have carbs, carbohydrates, glucose, and we have fat. So we store both to a certain degree. Carbs are limited to be stored to a certain amount until obviously conversion. We can only store so much and we have conversion, they call it de Novo lipogenesis where a carbohydrate is a precursor to be a fatty acids synthesize OK and to a fatty acid.

Eric: 07:21 And we know that's fat and you can't call fat endless, but it gets. There's a lot of storage out there. And I don't know if you've seen some of these shows. My wife loves that 700 pound life and that's a lot of storage and sooner or later of course it's going to stop storing and the cells are going to die and you're going to die. But remember our carb storage real quick, we have glycogen, OK? Uh, you have 400 calories to store in your liver, OK? Then you have 600 calories to store in your muscles. Of course, if you're a bigger guy, you have a lot of muscle tissue in the store and more glycogen. So there's really not a lot of metabolic potential energy from carbs. I like to say it's like can lean on a fire to start a fire. OK? Show it actually started.

Eric: 08:09 It Burns for a short time until what? You've got to give it longer lasting feel. You've got to get logs on him, OK? And so that's what it takes to make that burn longer. So of course the logically you're fat and you can, you can consume a lot of this, can lean over and over like every two hours and keep that killing gone because your brain likes it. W We know the brain will take 20 percent of that so the brain lights up, but you're just overworking your insulin. OK? Constantly because it just Kinlin we gotta get you to a longer feel to the fat.

Chad: 08:45 Of course. That's the goal right there. Yeah. And I love, I love your terminology around this when you talk about picking your fuel, right? Because some, it's easier said than done when you, when you say it like that, it sounds so simple. Oh, pick your fuel. What are you going to eat? It is simple. However, we're not taking into account the complexities, the mental complexities, right? So that's why I love your terminology of, of calling it fuel instead of food. Um, because fuel is something that we is a necessity to put into our body to run optimally, right? When we think of our automobiles or any thoughts. Yeah, yeah. We want it. We want to put in into our automobiles, whatever's going to give us the most bang for the buck. Right, and so when we think of this as fuel, maybe we can strip away a lot of the emotional things, a lot of the emotional eating, eating, all of that kind of stuff. Hopefully we can think of it as fuel and strip some of that away and move into more much more of a optimal performance fueling mentality rather than a comfort eating mentality

Eric: 09:52 in. And that's a great point. And I used the word fuel Lasa. Hey, you know when I, when I communicate to them, my clients, I say, how was your feeling today? What did you feel with today? Not Feed with today because you think about this glucose in a interesting, eh. If you only had glucose as you feel sorry, no fat. Let's say glucose was your fuel and you'd run out of that because you only have 400 calories in and your liver is biogen a little bit in your muscle and you had nothing else to resort to accept for that glucose. You would eventually have to go to Gluco. Neil Genesis, you'd have to produce some glucose from some other sub, which will be your amino acids, your muscle tissue. You would lose two pounds of lean muscle tissue per day to stay alive if you had no fat to go after and nothing else, but you'd be converting amino acids to glucose, two pounds. You don't have a lot of carbs storage. It's not meant to be a long lasting fuel. It's a short can type of fuel and the sad part is just think about half of all adults are pre-diabetic or diabetic. Yeah, that's like a hundred. That's 100,000,000 adults and it's all the history shows. There's a link between over-eating carbs with obesity and diabetes. Is there the links there? History shows it.

Chad: 11:17 So this is a rhetorical question and I know the answer, but I don't know the details of the answers. So are carbs bad?

Eric: 11:26 and I've actually come across a little too strong like what are you eating that for? But you don't need those carbs. Carbs are good. OK, but we just need less of them. You know, we're trying to control our insulin. OK? Through carb control. That's what gives you the spikes in the highs and the lows. And I want continuous, like we've talked, a little coach monitors, I, I see my foods, I can trick my eating fat with my, with my carbs to bring down the glycemic effect. And I've been down that path. But you know, there is people that are very insulin sensitive, OK? Which he means basically you can utilize a lot of carbs without really doing any damage. OK, your carbohydrate tolerant. OK? And, and I'm talking about healthy carbs. I'm not saying, and these people can probably process it. Donut real quickly through, you know, through the metabolizing.

Eric: 12:18 It uses energy and it's probably their blood and really quick, but the bulemia I love my glycogen, my carbs, the stores glycogen, because when I'm in high intensity training, OK, and I'm going lactate in a race, uh, my blood cells I need, I need glucose, glycogen storage, and of course my brain appreciate, you know, brain, your astrocytes, Eh, need glucose to make lactate, to shove it to your neurons. Your Blood Cells Love Glucose. They don't have the mitochondria to make the other. And there's a lot of tissues that need glucose, but just not a great abundance of it. OK and good healthy carbs. So what, how to, how does fat as fuel get us closer to stomping out this huge mission that you've declared of fighting obesity? Well, fat is the fuel source and sexually that we've millions of years evolved because we didn't have a lot of glycogen to glucose storage.

Eric: 13:21 OK? So you go the faster, you know, feast or famine, hunters and gatherers, you've got to go days without food. So you didn't have that accessible carbohydrate, the kindling you didn't have. So you have to resort to something else. And metabolic biology, we could burn something else. OK? And so think about fat. I like, we've talked, I have 60,000 calories of fat. I only have 2000 of glycogen on my body. So I have really an endless source of fuel. Fatty acids are good for a gram of fat is nine calories of energy a carb. Glucose's is four calories, so you have double, OK? And that's, I mean that's. And plus it's more efficient because I'm carbohydrate. Glycogen is stored with a lot of water and fat is not. And then, um, obviously when you're using fat, you are decreasing your need for carbohydrates to complete the same tasks.

Eric: 14:18 You can use fat, um, you're, uh, you do preserve your glycogen storage when you're using fatty acids and it was just talking fatty acids. Your heart loves it, your muscles, Lubbock, you're preserving your glycogen, so when you need that, you know, in case of an emergency or you're competing or whatever, and your brain is saying, Hey, well the liver savings some glycogen and you're using fat as fuel for the rest. So I can always save some of this for your brain because your brain can't burn fatty acids. And um, and definitely change your body composition. You're going to have what we talk about the most important to bring down through fat loss, fat burning. You're going to reduce your fat and your body comes to you. She's gonna Change and all your health markers will change with it. So, but the coolest thing is this fatty acid can be converted to something else.

Chad: 15:15 Let me guess. Well, let me get where we're going. I think what I think we should start doing on this podcast is you remember peewee Herman's playhouse and he had the word of the day and somebody would say the word of the day and they'd all. This word should be our word of the podcast. And so every time you bring it up or say that's fine, probably just scream and run around like crazy people and yeah. Anyway, bad example. But, uh, I think you're going, obviously you're going to. Ketones got Beta hydroxy Beta hydroxy

Eric: 15:45 got it. Back to the Beta hydroxybutyrate molecule, my favorite. And so remember we get that Carb, that carbohydrate intake has to come down. OK? What brings you, when that comes down, what comes down with it? We have insulin that comes down. OK, when insulin's down low enough, it says, hey, we have what we call this hcl hormone sensitive lipase proteins on the cell, and it says signal that says, Hey, let's release these fatty acids. So what happens that glycerol and three fatty acids come out of the cell straight to the liver. Now we started our ketone production. They get backed up at the liver fetal groups and there's no oxygen level acetate that can actually bring it into the Kreb cycle, so the liver has to say, hey, let's convert this to see the last sitting, so it converts it to a ketone. That lastly take converts into Mitochondria to Beta hydroxybutyrate. Now that goes out to your blood. Here we go. The process starts. It's going to that ketone loving tissue that's waiting for that Beta hydroxybutyrate molecule to get there and start its performance basically, and it's amazing when you, when you get to this, the that Beta hydroxybutyrate molecule and you're actually using it efficiently in your body.

Chad: 17:05 It's exciting. How long does it take for your body to start utilizing ketones? I mean, so we. We talk about people who are in this dire situation and if they're going to change their eating habits, I realize it's a long road. It's still tough. We're not proposing an overnight success solution, but what we are proposing is a natural and effective solution for long term change. Yes. Right. So how. I mean, what kind of time table are people looking at when they're looking at using ketones to, to, to improve their situation?

Eric: 17:36 They're  doing this conversion. They're actually saying, I'm going to take my fatty acids and I want to get rid of them because I have, you know, some people are obese and they're overweight or people want to cut up and shred or they want to use the for energy source as far as competing or whatever in erase. Um, they're basically going to start to get this process working. OK? Get it to the liver. The fatty acids start creating the ketones. Your body has adaptation to everything. That's why people who who train on glucose and and they, they race on glucose and glycogen, they do have fat to go to the muscles. But if you're not adapted, you bonk or hit the wall like we've talked about, your fats never really been adapted to put fulfilling them to the Mitochondria in your muscles to be a source. It slow.

Eric: 18:22 OK? So everybody gets impatient sometime when they start this ketogenic journey. All right? And I try to say, Hey, hold on. You've been feeding carbs all your life. Please don't expect. All I'm asking is eight weeks to get your started and it's amazing. But within days, um, Chad, you start feeling, here's what happens within days you bring your glucose down, your insulin drums, guess what drops with them right away. We're almost wanting to start, you know, the first week or so, you start dropping your triglycerides, OK? You start to change. You start utilizing fat now, OK? And then it slowly, that first production is a Seattle acetate that we talked about in you're gonna pee, your urine. You're going to test it through that because it's an acid and say, well, my body's not really adapted to taking this energy substrate, and so you don't Acetate, but it takes a little while, maybe a week or so, seven to 10 days, you start checking your seat.

Eric: 19:17 Last Day I've got ketones, OK, you're showing color, and then sooner or later, after a few days, a week and a half and that conversion begins to Beta hydroxy butyrate. But what's more important thing is you become satiated because you're now consuming fat more than you are carbs. So the exciting part is those cravings that I talk to people. I think that's one of the biggest perks that help people get through, you know, in losing fatty acids is like you said, there's an emotional bond to food and there's that dopamine reward and that sugar rush and it's great. When I first saw even from you, when you say, you know, I don't have cravings anymore, I don't have that afternoon, big low or I'm craving something sweet. And sooner or later they say, you know what? I actually I cheated and I didn't really enjoy that donut or that meal or whatever.

Eric: 20:12 And it's like then they feel like they're really cheated like that. I used to live for this and now I don't have that to look forward to the first few days. And then when you get into we got weeks, it slowly progresses. OK, so you've got to get through the first hurdle and then you start getting into the real perks of the Beta hydroxy [inaudible]. What's so important? If you're overweight out there and you're obese to a certain point, you have insulin resistance, you have metabolic syndrome. We have some of these issues, pre-diabetes. You've got to rely on this Beta hydrogen molecule to help you make those changes and losing fat helps. Oh yeah, that all helps too, but this gives the extra kicker. That's why I'm in it, is because of this molecule you, you basically, your fat oxidation increases, you lose more fat. Your body calms.

Eric: 20:56 Competition really changes the oxidative stress, yet reactive oxygen species, free radicals we talked about and your Mitochondria. That's one of the biggest things it does, and through that process, when you lower your free radicals, and I know I don't want to go deep, you know, but that's where inflammation comes from. Inflammation is the root of everything. We have what we call the NF Kappa b. We have the [inaudible]. These are all in inflamma zone, a pathways, OK, through the cytokine cytokines and Interleukins, it prevents inflammation and we know inflammation. We've talked about it, so will have every disease fighting everything we're fighting, and then you have the cellular membrane integrity. The communication to the cell is pliable. A PSA, a hormones move in and out more efficiently. Energy moves in and out more efficiently. That transporters, it's, it's just you just gotta be patient. Then get into long-term.

Eric: 21:52 Then like I've been at almost two years. I don't have any chronic diseases. Those are all dropping. I've never had them. I'm gonna alleviate that, that fear a risk and I'm in it for longevity. Um, I'm really about longevity. I, that's my goal of course. And teaching that and quality of life because the Ketone, the Beta and you're physically stronger. You're physically healthier. <Unk> I could go on for an hour even into the brain, the neuro protective of the brain, the MT and pt switches. A deaf switch, a tangy. Don't get me going because I'll spend hours time that interests me out there. I would love to just keep you captive for an hour and really listened to me, but I know I can't. We wouldn't be captive. We were trying to sleep so I know I get real excited about it, but I honestly, when you're in it so long enough, I'm going to send you a t-shirt that says I'm in it for the Beta.

Chad: 22:50 I'm going to start that and I'm happy we will be offering tee shirts that say, oh, no way. No Way. We're not. So let me ask you this, that we've talked about how big of an industry it is to prey on people's carb consumption is also a large industry to promise people who are stuck in these situations. Obesity, pre-diabetic, diabetic. It's a huge industry to promise them that they have a solution. There's tons of solutions out there, those areas. So if you're in this situation, you've heard it all up to this point, I'm sure. Right? So does anything that's out there compare to ketones in out?

Eric: 23:29 There's nothing that your body naturally, ancestrally metabolically converge besides a ketone. I mean your fatty acids convert to ketones and it's been around there for a sense of time and there's no other nutrition program. You lower your carbs, but every.

Eric: 23:50 I am not against people who lose weight, but you know, you see the shows that says, hey, I want drop. And they drop their weight for revenge, a revenge lob. I mean, then there's one house and then there's one out there says, I want to drop my way because I want so and so. I'm going to ask him out and I want to tell my interested in him event things that that can make you drop it by starving yourself and going low calorie and everything, but it doesn't change anything metabolically because those cravings are still there and every time they cheat and it shows you what they cheat with, oh, you see fast food wrappers and sweets and k because they had some letdown down. This takes away the cravings. It takes away that that pressure of failure and it replaces it with satiating fatty foods that are.

Eric: 24:36 They're actually good for you. I mean healthy fats, they're there and I haven't. I'm in it for you and I have a passion for this Beta Hydroxy [inaudible] and personally I've been around other programs. I've run total fitness challenges and these different things and I see people lose weight. He's like the biggest loser. Three months later, five months later, it just comes back. I mean there's, there's you, when it's passed and they do in the motivation, the accolades aren't there and you're sitting there with those cravings, just they're a great spark coming at you, you're a great car,

Chad: 25:09 but if you don't find the right avenue, it's not going to be long lasting.

Eric: 25:12 And you said it that emotional and this is what I worked with the clients. I have clients now that go through the emotional. They're saying, hey, I just, I can't believe I don't crave what I always loved. And they feel like, well, embrace that change, embrace that. Did I take away something that you really cared about? Cheated some butter,

Chad: 25:36 try it and try it on this podcast to try to nail you down on the exoticness key tones, you know, and, and we have yet to have an opportunity to really dig into what that means. I think it's probably beneficial for you to first explain what an exogenous ketone is. Um, and then were w how, how do they play into this whole ketosis a, you know, bio fit plan? Yeah,

Eric: 26:03 it's getting big. OK. The exalogic is ketones. I didn't think they'd moved this fast. I mean, you get back to Dr Augustino a Veech and Patrick Arnold. These are they ketone. I'm exogenous guys and they're smart. They're brilliant. They're scientists and I've read all their stuff. I looked at their patents. There's what we call the [inaudible] butane dial. OK. There's that. That's, you know, that's something that's an alcohol derivative, but it's a ketone. It converts to Beta. Then we have what we call ketone salts. All right. Then we have ketone esters. Well, among those job and there is arguments of what's better and what's not. OK. I'm in the hope of saying, OK, if the ketone ester really comes out, that seems it's synthetic, but it seems to be the one that will really be more beneficial as far as Beta butyrate molecule and in the old days you could get some of it, but it was like $20,000.

Eric: 26:59 I mean there's guys like David Asprey and then Ben Greenfield, but these guys have all tested it all right? But it was very smooth and all right, but exoticness if you're in racing or you need it for something, if you're in it because your body composition, you're in nutritional Katie Jackson, take what you have that's been given to you and you put it on that fatty acids, convert that to your Beta hydroxybutyrate molecule because if you take it exotic eventually, then you're just, you're combating burning your own fatty acids for Beta hydroxybutyrate molecule, more competition. Bottom-Line outside. I want to become very efficient at producing my own Beta hydroxybutyrate. Yeah. But I'm, I'm, uh, I'm actually interested in them as far as adding them to a race in some training. I don't have a problem with the ketone salts, but now there's a lot of, what scares me is there's a lot of multi level companies coming out with all these key, these exotic in ski towns.

Eric: 28:01 But what science is behind those? And it used to be really expensive. Now I hear there's ones that ketone ester and there's, it's like $100 for a few bottles. I'm like, wait, Whoa, whoa. So I'm Kinda, I'm leary leary. I'm not saying they're bad, I'm not going to go, I'm just saying w e need to study it out and I have spent some time in the books on the esters and I looked at all their patents and I'm intrigued by it, but I am going to wait and I've tried. I've tried some for, for training for a race and I did increase my Beta and I did feel the energy, but [inaudible] oil does the same thing that may change or let's try it does the same thing and that's a carbon [inaudible] and I stick with carbonate. I don't use 10 Capri, I stay with Capella.

Eric: 28:49 Uh, I think it's better that you get an alert pop from it, so it's up to the individual but don't, don't, don't use that as a reason and to not burden your own fatty acids and reduce that body composition by doing that. It kind of like the easy way to overview. We're open minded to them. There is definitely some situations for the l for Parkinson's and als and Alzheimer's. Oh, for [inaudible], if they could come out with that ketone Ester, it's, it would be a miracle where all these with with the what they call a glutamate excitation, it'd be a miracle for these people, but it's so costly. That's where in Veech is behind that and I, I, I, I pray for the day that, that actually comes out available to be therapeutic. Right now it's just a, you know, take it to be fast. We are an easy way to think you're going to lose weight in brain cognitive, but it's there, it's there. It's very beneficial. But also another concern is who's been on exogenous ketones? How long I'm, we're talking four months. This is still early. Does it take a different pathway that we really don't know what it does, so there's some concern out there, so I'll let those that are out there. That'd be the Guinea pigs for you see where it takes him, you know, meanwhile I'm doing it naturally.

Chad: 30:12 Yeah, and that's the other part of the, of the overview or the recap that I wanted to point out is I think that's really powerful is that you are, you're artificially bringing in something that your body can do naturally. Why not do it naturally? I get why not because it's harder and it's, it's more effort and, but, but man, it can be natural.

Eric: 30:35 So it's like testosterone. I make testosterone naturally, but how many people want to bring in extra muscle build synthesis and all that muscle tissue breakdown and bodybuilders and in sports it, they're, they're looking for the extra. And that's why it's a,

Chad: 30:55 it's a difficult path. You gotta be careful. Yeah. So we've talked about, um, those who are in this, this point now of obesity, a pre-diabetic, diabetic type two diabetes that's really important, but equally as important is prevention. I am just as passionate and I think you are in prevention or with I'm just as passionate with prevention as I am with a resolution or resolving the existing. So how, what, what do we learn from this discussion if we're not in that point where we're obese or pre-diabetic or, or type two diabetes or whatever it is, but we want to make sure we can prevent that for the long haul. How, how does this conversation apply to that? Yeah, and

Eric: 31:38 that's what I think is so exciting about it is because I, myself, I don't have any metabolic syndrome. You don't either. I have people that are, their biomarkers are great, even some obese and some lean that they're great. It's so preventative because you're taking. You're not going to go down that path where you're going to cause that insulin issue. OK? We're all about that incident. Control the insulin, keep it from spiking, keep it from raising, OK, because that's where the inflammation, that's where the metabolic issues come from. Every disease is a derivative inflammation. Beta hydroxy butyrate is one of the most anti-inflammatory, natural things you can do. I mean, if you think about it, it's amazing. So if you, if you want longevity, you, you want, you want to be your neuro protective in your brain and in your, in your, your body basically from any of the other diseases, cardiovascular disease or fatty liver in the ketogenic.

Eric: 32:32 When you really get into the depth of it and you see the studies, it's, it's, it's, it's amazing. And I wish I didn't actually tackle this until I was 59 years old. Fifty eight. Yeah. I mean if I was in my thirties and forties and, and I, I'm a derivative of, of the low fat carb, big push and those 30, 40 years I thought I was doing the right thing and saying I can't eat that fat. Just give me a car. I just didn't give me snackwell's and just give me all this crap. And so I know if you got into my, you know, into my arteries and got on the other side of the lumen and that's where the plaque begins. I'm sure there's stuff there that you can see within angiogram. You can't see it now, but I'm worried that it's there and I have. I can do nothing about it. Thanks. Thanks. A. The USDA dietary guidelines in 1977, 1980. Thank you very much.

Chad: 33:30 In every high school soccer coach that tells you to go eat a big bowl of spaghetti every night before a game. Carb up carb load. I mean that's all it was about. I mean, I lived on snap on. Just doing good. I've gotten that advice too many times.

Eric: 33:47 Tim noakes, it grates great scientists. He's the one that was, you know, basically the kind of initiated that carbo loading and he's, he's all keto. I mean he's written out saying, Hey, I'm maintenance. Basically made a mistake. No carb load. And that started the glucose industry of Gatorade. It's, you know, that's the problem. It's a billion-dollar industry. The glucose, all the pre workouts and all that. It's. Yeah. I don't know how you stop that train. We're trying. We're trying.

Chad: 34:15 Yeah. Well this has been amazing. Eric. Thank you so much. I just want to make sure our audience understands how much time and hard work goes into both. What you've studied in the past and keeping up on science, science and science studies and this stuff is new and it is progressing and we're finding out more and you are always on top of it. So thank you so much for. I spent a lot of time. I tried it because I got clients and I got an. I owe you the best if I can. If I don't

Eric: 34:45 no it, I'll knit it and I'm still learning a ton and I will. I will search it out.

Chad: 34:51 I just want to make sure our audience understands. I mean 60 plus hours a week of studying time is not rare for Eric on, on this topic. So as my wife and then he just gives it to us for free. Like this is incredible so thank you so much, but you know what you need to do. Just say, Hey Eric, on one podcast you'd say, Hey, let's just really go deep into Saturday is get it all out there, but maybe that'll be a different pod. I'm going to start off with a general way. You're teaching. You're teaching me how to do it. Thanks so much for joining us on this quest for optimal fitness. If you're ready to begin your journey and live your life in Ketosis, be sure to check out biofitcoaching.com or biofit coaching on facebook. There's some incredible hints, tips, discussions, all of that going on there.

Chad: 35:42 Um, and, and other people there that are looking to support you in your journey in Ketosis. So make sure to check us out both on facebook and on the worldwide web. Um, and if you feel so inclined, if this has helped you and you want to thank Eric for all of his time and work and effort that he puts into these podcasts, go ahead and go on itunes and rate us. It helps us reach more people. It gives us good feedback and it lets people know that, hey, this is worth listening to. So if you wouldn't mind, consider doing that. We would be so grateful. And until next time, stay keto!