E08 Keto and Mito: What Does Mitochondria Have to Do With Ketosis?

Mitochondria. A blast from the past for most of us. If you're like me, you vaguely remember hearing the term in a high school biology class. But, it turns out that mitochondria actually has quite a bit to do with how you look and feel. Eric breaks it down for us today and explains the relationship between the mitochondria and a ketosis state. Plus much more:

Aesthetics vs Therapeutic: How ketosis helps with both.

How to be connected to your heart and why that is important.

How mito and keto can help you overcome cognitive issues like anxiety, stress and brain fog.

All diseases are a derivative of a dysfunctional mitochondria.

2 out of 5 Americans are expected to have type 2 diabetes at some point in their lifetime (how YOU can avoid it!)

How ketosis enables Eric to continue to train, in spite of being told he needs a double knee replacement.

So let's jump right in with Eric and learn the practicality of the mitochondria and what it can do to help you look and feel better!


Chad: 00:00 The journey begins in a single step, or in my case, one less piece of bread.

Chad: 00:10 My name is Chad and I'm your test subjects. I have sought out an expert in the field of nutrition and fitness who I hoped would help me feel better. They call him the biohacker, but I call him parent. I hope you'll join me on a path that leads you to optimal fitness as we live our lives in ketosis. This is the life in Ketosis podcast, a biohackers guide to optimal body performance.

Chad: 00:44 Hello everyone. My name is Chad and this is episode eight of my quest to achieving optimal body fitness with the man that can get me there, the biohacker himself. Mr Eric Bischof every episode. I will be sharing my actual results, both successes and failures as Eric teaches me how to apply the principles of ketogenics and functional movement to look and feel fantastic. Now, just as a reminder, the first five episodes of this podcast or our foundational episodes, so if you're starting with this episode, we encourage you to push stop now and go back and listen to the first five episodes of this podcast as those will give you a history of the foundation of some of the science that we are talking about in this, in this podcast. So we're super excited to be here and today we're talking about Mitochondria Health and uh, I'm just as intrigued because I don't know what you mean

Eric: 01:35 that Eric, but we're going to dig into that, right? Yes. How are you? I'm doing good. How are you doing?

Chad: 01:43 I'm great. So really quick, before we begin, just a couple of logistical things I think is really cool. We are getting a ton of downloads and it's been exciting to watch this number climb and it's been exciting to get the feedback. We were getting messages from people. People are reviewing us on itunes. I mean we're brand new at this and I mean you're not branding into this. You've got years and years of coaching and all that stuff,  but that's the podcast, but this podcasting thing,

Chad: 02:10 you and me, we're going out into the world as, as babies, as it's, as they say in podcasting, and it's so fun to watch these numbers climb. And so we're so thankful for everybody that is joining us. Um, a quick ask before we get going is if you're listening and you're enjoying this podcast and it's in, it's creating change in your life and affecting you, would you please go on itunes or wherever you listen to your podcast or listen to this podcast and give us a five review. Uh, it helps us a lot because it helps us get our word out to more people and we can build this community. So that's, that's all the business I'm going to take. Take  care of it at the beginning of this podcast.

Eric: 02:44 And I to say one thing, I appreciate your patience with my podcasting and I've never done this before and Chad doesn't let me stop or have notes or whatever. And sometimes he comes up with questions. I don't know what he's going to ask me about. I'm like, oh, I hope I have the answer, but I always make this promise to my coach. If I don't have the answer, I will get the answer and come back to you. All right. Yeah. If I don't have the answer, I promise you I'll get you usually have the answer. I usually have more answer than people want something that's an issue and you've coached me on that. So talking about Mitochondria Health,

Chad: 03:23 I hear you use the word aesthetics and therapeutic and you're coaching and you're coaching with me and can you just kind of put those into context for us?

Eric: 03:33 Yes. And. And I grabbed you. You're asking this subject because usually you avoid me about the Mitochondria, but he's one of my favorite actually, but now it's, it's like a whole. The clients I coach, most of the motivation that they come to me is dealing more with the aesthetic. They want to look good. They want, you don't want to be shredded. They want muscle in their body composition to lose that way. And it could be a cruise, there could be a wedding, it could be a reunion, so it's more static is what I mean motivated and nothing wrong with that. I mean aesthetics, good-looking. It alleviates the stress that most people are dealing with, I don't know, happy with themselves, but my goal as a coach, I want to get them from that aesthetics, other side of the spectrum to the therapeutic benefits of the ketogenic nutritional eating. And that's my goal. I. It all resolves around. The therapeutic benefit is having a functional healthy, efficient mitochondria. And that's what it's all about. It's all about the Mitochondria and I'm just excited to get people to that therapeutic where they're like, hey, this is a lifestyle and they learn all the benefits and that's what you're asking me.

Chad: 04:45 Yeah. So I think this is an interesting concept and the way that I would boil this down, and you correct me if I'm, if I'm taking it wrong, but the way that I would put this is aesthetics is what's on the outside. Exactly right. That's what we're seeing. That's what we're looking at. A lot of times it's what's on the outside that drives people into ketogenics or coach fitness coaching, some coaching right with you. They want to look skinnier, they want tighter abs, they want bigger biceps and all of those sorts of things. Right, and that's. That's the outside, right? But what people don't yet know, if they haven't coached with you and they haven't done dove into this thing of ketogenics the I can attest to is yes, you will achieve outside results. You will read, you will achieve the look that you want, but you can't anticipate.

Chad: 05:35 You really can't anticipate how good you're going to feel on the inside. That mentally and physically on the inside, your, your, your organs, your, I mean your lungs, your heart, everything just feels. I mean, you tune into those things and they feel so much better and that's one thing. I mean, even with the heart, I remember you talking to me early on in my coaching and you saying, I really want you to be connected to your heart because it's such a big thing, right? But, and that's part of that, their therapeutic side of stuff, I think because that was a big deal for me to be connected to my heart, what it's doing when it's hitting it's Max heart rate, all that. Anyway, that's kind of a tangent, but I'm just saying that I think that explanation helps a little bit is you're going to come at this from the beginning, from an outside point of view, looking at your aesthetics or your body composition and you're going to be pleasantly surprised at how it affects the inside.

Eric: 06:31 Exactly. You've brought me inside now, so that is your fault because we're going to go mitochondria. Everything you mentioned, the goodness, the heart, the lungs, that feeling everything. The heart and soul of it is the Mitochondria. Even clarity of thought Mitochondria. I mean everything, and that's why when I delve into the Mitochondria, sometimes I'll be giving a seminar and I going into the Mitochondria, into the electron transport change. The [inaudible] complex is ATP synthase. That tca smell now can see my wife giving me that hand over the head sign gives me the roll of the eyes and I'm like, no, you're serious. In my mind I was saying, no, I want go down this path, and she's like, stop it, stop it, and so then I have to back it up. But you know what? Basically the Mitochondria, it's like it's the heart and soul of health in real briefly.

Eric: 07:27 It's pretty simple. We live to support our mitochondria. The food we eat, the air we breathe, or the ingredients we give our mitochondria to make energy. Back to what we talk about ATP, so the question, it comes down to what food or fuel, I call it field. People still call it food. I call it fuel, but a lot of people I coach and say, Hey, I've got to get better fuel and it's the best way we give ourself feel and how much we give to our Mitochondria for energy production is all about ATP. The energy molecule, we either make it efficiently as needed or we may issue it becomes dysfunctional Mitochondria to lifestyle, environment and how are the foods we eat and so we control our destiny by the Mitochondria. Just real quick, I'm going to ask you a question. Number of Mitochondria in all the sales except for red blood cells and a few other tissues and we have hundreds to thousands of Mitochondria in each cell.

Eric: 08:27 All right. If I asked you how much of the human body is the Mitochondria, what would you say? Like it's mass. Oh Man. If it's in every cell, every cell, and there's thousands and hundreds of thousands of these sounds. Yeah. I mean, you know, 10,000 will be in the heart, but that's a lot of Mitochondria, but obviously that's going to be like 90 percent or so. Ten percent of your body is the Mitochondria weight. Ten percent in it I think comes down to like 10,000,000 billion mitochondria producing ATP. About a hundred pounds a day. Can you manage that hundred pounds of atp a day? So it's Mitochondria and Mitochondria has it's own DNA, which most people don't even recognize. You know, the nucleus, the DNA, we all talk about your 20,000 genes, right? The Mitochondria has it's own DNA and people don't even pay attention that you have 37 genes in there that thanks to your mom, your mitochondria all comes from your mother, one from your father, and so it's genetically trying to control its own mitochondria it making sure it functions properly, it's in control in the Mitochondria. That important. It evolved with its own DNA is that Mitochondria is the key. It's a key. And I have a passion for the Mitochondria as you know. And my listeners will know in a way a coach is all about the Mitochondria because that's where it's all that guys. That's everything right there.

Chad: 09:53 Yeah. So is it isn't important for the average person to understand how the mitochondria acts in the body and, and, and if it is at what level, right? Because we're talking about this a lot, but it's a good question.

Eric: 10:09 You know what? I talk to doctors about this  and, and you know what? They just look at me like, OK, but I have to understand that you've been to college doctors had been to college. They don't remember all the Kreb cycle and electric transport chain and all the complex but complex in their rotary pump at the end and they don't know number this. Do you remember the Kreb Cycle? No. So I have to back off a little bit and say, you know what? These people don't remember it. It's my passion and then I'm trying to share in detail how cool the Mitochondria is and how important it is. But after that I'd like them to understand just to a certain point, it's like I say, if you peel back one layer of onion and then, and you've given me and my wife, she goes, you kind of go two, three, four, five, six layers deep. And then I had watched everybody and I'm like, ah, all right, I'll keep trying though. I'll keep trying. Listen, here's my chat. Keeps me in check.

Chad: 11:03 So we've talked about, um, the aesthetic benefits in the past on this podcast, the physical, you know, the outside benefits. We've also talked about the energy benefits, which are incredible. Um, what are some of, what are some of these therapeutic as you turn them therapeutic benefit?

Eric: 11:19 It's my clients, you know, like come to see me, they fill out the paperwork and they're always, always asking for issues, OK, and any health issues whatsoever. And Chat I over and over when I, when I consult with them, the first thing that comes out is it's, they had no stamina. They have no energy, they're fatigued, anxiety, stress, depression and brain fog, and even pain back pain. And so these are symptoms that are exclusive to, you know, obese and overweight, like why people think their symptoms are. These symptoms are exclusive to dysfunctional Mitochondria. You can give. I have elite athletes all the way to the obese individual that's a couch potato. It doesn't matter. Their Mitochondria can be dysfunctional from this level to that level. It, it doesn't pick and choose. And that's when, when I start seeing all this, I say, look, we've got to get your mitochondria functioning properly. And that's what, when we get to that Beta Beta hydroxybutyrate molecule, I keep talking about. Stop saying that word. OK. No, I'm just kidding. We have to get though somehow just asked me.

Chad: 12:38 No, that's. I mean that's ultimately where we're going next. Right? Well, what role, I mean, you, you talk about this. I, I, I've, I fumble at every time. Beta hydroxy butyrate. You talk about this all the time and you, you know, you're one of your, one of your slogans is, I'm in it for the baby Beta hydroxybutyrate. I'm glad you [inaudible].

Eric: 12:57 You know what my goal, when I coach, I want everyone to eventually say I'm in it for the Beta. They have to say the whole thing. All right. He'd, you'd be like, Yo, you can say a phd. Why did you say, what'd you say Bhp? Yeah. It makes it a lot easier. But this [inaudible] molecule is so much more than just energy substrate because, you know, that's what we've all talked about before is it's an energy molecule that you're using in oxidative phosphorylation in your electron transport chain, through the Kreb Cycle. TCA cycle down until that transport chain, and we've covered this before, remember if I do it real briefly in case new listeners are jumping on this podcast, we through the low carb, high fat Ketogenic Ketosis type of eating. What we're doing is we're lowering our carbs, so we're going to bring our insulin down.

Eric: 13:49 This is what it's all about, is controlling the insulin. OK? This is why I'm in this. To control the insulin and teach people in Ketosis when we're doing were lowering the insulin, lowering the carbs. So bring the insulin down now through the so we can release the fatty acids to use that as your energy substrate, OK? The beginning, portion fatty acids. You're great. You can bring them in your muscles. You can burn them in your heart. Loves it because that's the first place you remember where it was. Kayla microns. Go. Carrying the fatty acid goes right to your heart. Heart has first dibs, OK? But the problem is, when you, when you lower it and you remember your brain doesn't get fatty acid, so that's the drawback is only glucose lactate. But anyway, the fatty acids go deliver. It gets backed up. Seattle groups get backed up to tape because we're not into glucose.

Eric: 14:38 And so the liver says, Hey, I've got to do something with this. I'm going to convert it to ketones. All right, there we go. Acetone. So you'd want to take Beta hydroxy butyrate. That's our main one that we, that we're dealing with. That's what we measure in the blood. It goes out to the blood. Now it can go to the brain. The brain loves ketones. I remember talking about George Cahill discover that in the sixties, that the brain can actually burn ketones. Now Your Mitochondria, that's where it's taking the ketones, that Beta hydroxy butyrate as the molecule to use to produce ATP. Of course.

Chad: 15:12 So that's. That's obviously where our, our, our clarity of mind or our cognitive are better cognitive is coming from,

Eric: 15:20 yes it is coming from the Beta. But what happens when it gets down into the electric transport chain, which I won't go into detail how the electrons are carried by the entity age down to the can that, but what happens, it delivers the electrons there, which through Dr Beach, we have a redux state which between the an Adh in the queue, it widens, which means it's going to be a cleaner burn, the Beta, a cleaner burn, and it's going to produce more atp in that exciting part. Why it's so therapeutic, it's going to produce less free radicals and we've talked about that. Reactive oxygen species, free radicals, they're called superoxide. They're going to do the damage that the damages, because remember we talked about Mitochondria Dna, it's right there, OK, in the matrix of the Mitochondria and what's in the electron transport chain in the inner membrane of the Mitochondria so it can damage the Mitochondria Dna and that's what's helped controlling your mitochondria and now you have a dysfunctional mitochondria. And what happens when it becomes dysfunctional? That DNA, if it's still strong enough, it'll. It'll initiate a kill order. It'll kill that Mitochondria. It's, you know, a Po ptosis or through a Taco g first it'll regenerate and recycle all the good components. So that's what the Beta, the Beta is there to bring down your reactive oxygen species and free radicals. That's where all diseases, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, cancer, everything is a derivative of dysfunctional Mitochondria, but we can take care of them.

Chad: 16:58 That's so interesting. So as you talk about this, I can't help thinking because there's actually just a couple days ago I watched it, I watched an l, a, an episode of John Oliver and he was investigating or, or basically reporting on dialysis and the industry of dialysis in the United States. And it is incredible the percentage of our population specific. I mean he was all tied specifically the United States. Oh yeah. That is, that is diabetic. And even in my life I, I have people close to me that are going, you know, heading either heading that way are already diabetic because of some of the health, um, some of the nutrition choices that they're making or antying nutrition. But yeah, I mean how obviously as you talk about these benefits and the restoration of some of the Mitochondria and that kind of stuff, how were we going? I mean, how does this affect diabetes?

Eric: 17:56 This, you know, this is what excites me most about the biofit coaching is in the ketogenic program. Uh, this is where we really changed lifestyles in pre diabetic, diabetic and overweight and obesity in. It starts with obesity. And I think that's what seven out of 10 adults are obese or overweight. Thirty two percent of children in youth are obese or overweight. And so we know this leads to metabolic syndrome. OK? And that's the first start of it. You know, we have hypertension, insulin resistance, high cholesterol, high triglycerides, then pre-diabetic. And then type two diabetic and diabetes is an epidemic. It's exploding. And right now they say by 2000, 25 worldwide, there'll be 300 and eighty million people either with diabetes or pre-diabetic, 300 [inaudible]. So W, W, what do we have in United States? Three hundred and 60 or 400,000,000. That'd be like everyone in the United States having diabetes of some sort.

Eric: 19:07 I mean, that's unbelievable. And they say like you or me, they say two out of five Americans are expected to become type two diabetic in their lifetime. So that's a scary thought, but it was so unbelievable. It's all preventable in ketogenics is what I believe and there's others and there's so much clinical research that I've done and pull up all the studies and read all the books I could is, it's the best way to alleviate this issue and weight management, body composition. And the biggest thing is it does, it controls your insulin. These people who are diabetic because out of the garbage, I mean they're coming overweight, eating too many carbs, not, not moving, not exercising. They become insulin resistant. So sooner or later, you know, I, I, I wouldn't, maybe I wouldn't throw my brother under the bus but, but still, you know, that start out with a little waistline gets a little bigger.

Eric: 20:07 Then they get bigger and bigger and then the doctor says, hey you, you'd better watch it. You becoming insulin resistant. Then you're like, go on a diet, they tell you, go on a diet and next thing you know they keep eating and keep eating the carbs and whatever and next thing you know, I have a brother that didn't follow this path and he's like, now I'm taking metformin because trying to control it, but he keeps eating the same foods and then sort like doc said, hey, you're going to be on insulin. You're gonna. Be Shooting yourself in the stomach, but next thing you know he's on insulin because they're not willing to give up the food and because what happens now you can just say, well, I'll just give a little more insulin and keep eating whatever want. And it's a vicious cycle, but it's.

Eric: 20:49 The sad thing is it's totally preventable and low carb, high fat, bring down your insulin through Ketosis can alleviate that. And that's exciting.

Chad: 21:00 And listening. We can. I mean at least for me, I know you've been at this for sex for so long, but. But I feel like I can relate to people at th, at this moment that are in this food trap because we live in such a fast paced world. And so the fast paced world has translated into fast paced eating. We're not taking time with our middles, we're not paying attention to what's going into them. We're just getting something in our stomach to so that we can hurry off to the next thing. Right? And so it's a trap. And so and so, you know, not so much throwing these, these amazing people under the bus is just, they just got lost somewhere in this crazy world that we're living in.  That's high paced, doesn't value nutrition, all of that kind of stuff. And so it w, I love your message because you can come back without, without dialysis,

Eric: 21:52 without cardiovascular disease. It takes 10 years off your life. And, and I feel bad because if you can tell, you know, I coach it, control your insulin. It's the spikes that keeps doing the damage because you eat your drive that insulin up and sooner or later your pancreas Beta cells aren't producing the insulin that's supposed to yourselves or rejecting the insulin and guess what? You have more fat storage and nevermind the years off your life. I'm curious and look at lifestyle. Yeah, know lifestyle, right? It's no lifestyle that anybody wants to be living. They say it's a $300,000,000,000 industry because of the doctors, the meds and the loss of work days lost production. If you add it all up, it's a $300,000,000,000 industry and it's Ah, it's something that can totally be controlled by what you eat.

Eric: 22:48 Real simple. And I'm not against guys that, you know, everybody thinks I'm just ketosis. Ketosis. I, I made it for the Beta hydroxybutyrate. So if you gotTa, if you want that molecule, you have to go into Ketosis, OK? But if you keep your insulin, I mean your carbs down and you're not in ketosis enough to keep it. That when you keep your protein at a certain level and bringing your fat down and your insulin sensitive, you, oh, you're fine. You're not going to get that Beta hydroxybutyrate unless you take exogenous ketones and there's like guys to do that. But I just like to create my own.

Chad: 23:17 So I'm willing. I'm willing to guess that the majority of our listenership is, is not pre-diabetic or diabetic at this point. I'm assuming they're, they're mostly people who are, who are already interested in nutrition. They're trying to find answers. So what I would say is anybody that's listening that isn't pre pre-diabetic or diabetic and, and, but, but everybody that's listening knows

Chad: 23:46 two to three to 10 people who are. And you can save their way of living. I mean, you can help them by, even if it's not this podcast, getting them with a coach or somebody who can help them work through this in a natural way is incredible. It would be incredible gift. So it, um, it is, I would just put that out there.

Eric: 24:09 As a coach. It's, it's, it's so rewarding to mean for therapeutic or static, you know, the body composition. I mean, I'm excited to coach people to look better, feel better. I have, I have clients who just want to shred and then they're gonna back off Ketosis and keep their insulin. I mean just to get the insulin down, but they'll go back to eating just a fair amount of cars. He won't be in Ketosis, but I'll scale, um, and I'll coach them and keep them going and not fall back into that trap of eating too many carbs and then suddenly it all comes back. But those who really need it, like the, you know, pre-diabetic or diabetic type two diabetics type one, I'm not including, you hear I, it's not your fault, it just, your pancreas has issues with the Beta cells and they stopped producing insulin or not. Not doing that, but I'm just saying it's very. I, when I have the pre diabetic type two diabetic, my challenge is kitten. You off those meds and getting you healthy and getting your life back basically. It can be reversed. Saves you a ton of money to. It's expensive. Expensive. Absolutely. So,

Chad: 25:16 so we talked a lot about, you talked a lot about clients who have chronic fatigue or fibromyalgia. Can you talk a little bit about what those are and how the ketogenics

Eric: 25:30 It's amazing how many. I have a twin sister actually, and she won't mind me talking about her for some reason. The only issues I have is I have to have two knees and you may need to be totally replaced as a five years ago, but I'm still training racing. I did an Ironman last year. I'm racing. I mean it's amazing and this is due to the Beta hydroxy on molecule I'll talk about later on the inflammation, but she has. She has fibromyalgia and she has chronic fatigue syndrome and I'm working with her. I've never experienced these issues at all and it's really similar to each other really hard. But in fibromyalgia pain is the big difference because that's the pain factor. You get pain in all areas of the body and it's even. It's painful to touch. She's very tender and it's. People say, Oh, it's in your head and you know, it's not it because my sister experienced it.

Eric: 26:29 It's real pain and but the other symptoms they share, we've got fatigue, cognitive issues, headaches, sleep, lack of motivation, a little bit depression on top of that, but with with chronic fatigue syndrome sufferers, what they're experiencing is they're not producing enough atp where back in that electron transport chain, and so what happens? The recycling of ATP, getting a phosphate back to ATP has slowed down and now end up with a backup in the electron transport chain, which means more electrons and more free radicals, and so they're forced out of the Mitochondria to produce energy. Remember last week we talked about oxidative phosphorylation, where you are in the mitochondria producing ATP. You can just keep going and dance and dance. They're forced out of that. They're forced in what we talked about, the anaerobic glycolysis where there's no oxygen, but you're making lactate and you've. We've talked about last week number.

Eric: 27:26 You've made lactate. You get to the point where you make lactate, you start to burn your muscles, start to fatigue. You Run out the Cori cycle because I'll say I love it when I need to throw down and erase or if I'm in training because I know I can move it out to my cori cycle. Remember how we talked about that? Recycle. It takes six ATP to throw that back to lactate department. Wait Gluconeogenesis to glucose, send it back. But with chronic fatigue syndrome, they ca, they run out. They can't keep sending the lactate all day long because that's what they're operating on. So what happens corey cycle can't. You can't keep giving up six ATP. The liberal camp, it's going to fatigue. So guess what? They're in lactate. They're in pain all day long. And guess what? That's where the fatigue comes from. You're not getting ATP produced because you're in anaerobic glycolysis.

Eric: 28:18 You're in that realm for lactate and that's when it gets painful. There's hydrogen ions, they just don't Claire. So it was real. Chronic chronic fatigue syndrome is Israel and. But it's a mitochondrial function and that's how we can work with them on therapeutic. Get the Mitochondria functioning again. That's great. So you earlier you mentioned two big ones, huge Alzheimer's and cancer. Chad, I'm telling can't. That's one of my favorite subjects when you get. Because remember cancer, we have our two theories within set somatic mutation theory. Now we have mitochondrial metabolic theory. That's gotta be another podcast. It's one I would love. It's going to take me 40 minutes to get into into the all tire because you remember the best thing about the Beta hydroxy butyrate molecule. Another thing, it's very neuro protective. We had those neurodegenerative diseases, but once that Beta hydroxybutyrate works in the Mitochondria in the brain and the neurons, it's amazing. The therapeutic effect in the brain. Alzheimer's, als, multiple sclerosis, Parkinson's. Ah, that's what we're dealing with and then we can deal with cancer. But let's get those hitters don't mind. Let's just do it  right? But promise me you're coming back to that.

Chad: 29:36 I'm coming back. Another thing that I want to come back to you in a later episode is I'm doing a little self testing myself. Awesome. I'm a little bit of Eric is rubbing off on you. I liked that. I recently. I actually didn't choose this, but uh, I'm going to self test on it anyway again. Um, is, uh, just a couple of days ago I had some inflammation flare up in my foot. I've been doing a lot more trail running lately. I'm absolutely love it, but yes, yes, maybe I haven't had it yet. I haven't had a job. Is like a shock, like sharp, Sharp, sharp taken right from my heel up to my hit. Yeah. So anyway, um, came up a couple of days ago. I think it's because I haven't been stretching properly before my runs and after my runs and I've been doing longer five, six mile trail runs, which is big for me.

Chad: 30:26 I have no, I haven't done that kind of distance on the trail. Um, and a lot of elevation gain. Right? So when I'm going up there's a lot of tension on my calf Achilles down into my foot and I'm uh, guessing that that's probably where it comes from. So anyway, I've just been doing a lot of research, um, and, and actually asking a lot of people because this is really, really common. Um, great. So I've been, I've been trying to gather as much information as I can about how long on average it takes somebody to overcome this type of inflammation because I want to see, yeah, that's good for good and like, you know, being hanging out with you as much as I have been, I now understand that I'm ketosis can be a anti anti inflammatory, right? And so very last minute. So I'm, I am self testing to see if I can beat the average of how long it usually takes to get rid of this inflammation. That's awesome.

Eric: 31:23 Because you know, doctors, five years ago I got some early good orthopedic surgeons and I said, Eric, you were done. You need to full knee replacements. You're done. And the pain is there. And of course they're the form. You've seen my knees and to form looking. But the amazing thing is

Chad: 31:41 I've seen your knees and I've seen you run. I still got it, but anyway

Eric: 31:46 is all about is they can't understand how I'm still functioning. And I, I just tell them, ketogenics. I go, if I keep the inflammation way, I keep the pain away. I may look strange, Ronnie, and they looked the farm, but I'm telling you, they both said, Eric, you will crawl back in here on your knees and make me replaced both your needs because the pain is so bad, but guess what? I am still going. I'm putting in the miles. I'm back to the trail running, which I never could. Trail run. I did a seven, a six mile or last weekend on some heavy trails and I've never been able to do that and I have no pain, but there's days I'm not. I'm being honest. There's some days I have some good pain, but then there's the good days that I can just go and it's anti-inflammatory and what it does, it reduces your inflammatory cytokines, which is all about inflammation  and that's what we do through Beta hydroxy butyrate molecule.

Chad: 32:44 It's funny, my wife always teases me now and she, you know, she said, you think Ketosis is a cure all listened to eric yesterday.

Eric: 32:57 Trust me, I'm going to get your mitochondria working properly. That's all I'm trying to do. Make it functional. He has. That's like we said, that's a heart and soul and everything. If you can do that through the ketosis and I totally believe you can and everything I've studied, uh, I'm excited about it. I really am. I really have a passion for the Mitochondria.

Chad: 33:15 This is as you now this is an incredible conversation. This is so big. I mean it's to be able to at least even put an cut the edge off of some of these things that are, that are alien people en mass amounts of numbers is so cool. So any, any final thoughts on the, on the therapeutic benefits of Ketosis?

Eric: 33:36 Just if,  if, if you're in our program, um, I just remind people, let me do the research. Let me do all the digging with the pub meds and all the randomized control trials and bring it all together. Self experiment like I do all the time and, and I'm just trying to help people. I really am, but I have a passion as to hey, if I can get you from the aesthetics, that's great. I want you there, but I really want to get the therapeutic value across to you and if I do go to deep or I'm making mistakes along the way, bear with me, but we're, we're gonna. Get this done together. We really are.  Yeah, and I'm excited about it. I can make you healthier, happier as what it's about, and I know this is the.

Chad: 34:17 The therapeutic is you would, you would much rather talk about the therapeutic than the aesthetic. Right? But it, it really is the aesthetic that grabs people and then they can get in here and realize there's so much more than just the aesthetic benefits. People statically happy because in all honesty, if you look in the mirror and you're not happy with my job as a coach is I got to get you happy with yourself and if it's therapeutic and you don't even know it, well I'm happy and then you're going to be happy because you're healthy and you don't even know how therapeutic you are doing. You know what I mean? But you're not going to be at the doctor so I can't. Fatigue and pain and depression and getting rid of anxiety and, and pills and that's why I want you off the meds because meds are just playing with your symptoms.

Chad: 34:59 It's just, it's not getting to the root. That's all. Absolutely. Well, Eric, I want to thank you for, uh, for biohacking with us today and I want to thank everybody for joining us on this request for optimal fit fitness. And I enjoyed doing this with you. I guess we don't talk a lot about how great you are too because it just assume you're good. You're good chat. I appreciate that. If you're ready to begin your own journey and live your life in Ketosis, be sure to check out Biofitcoaching.com and BioFit coaching on facebook. We're on their. Eric's on. There were answering questions. We're coaching people. Well, I say where Eric's coaching people. Um, and I'm just on the sidelines cheering for it because I'm benefiting from the coaching as well. Um, but like I, like I mentioned in the, in earlier in the episode, go ahead and give us a five star rating on itunes if you enjoy the information. Um, and you feel like it's helping you and until next time, stay keto.