E01 Meet the Biohacker: Eric Bischof

In this episode, we get our introduction to the man behind the microphone, the one they call the Biohacker: Mr. Eric Bischof. Eric shares a bit about his own journey and how he arrived at the point is he today.

Eric is a personal trainer and coach who has used his own body to conduct some pretty crazy experiments, all in the name of understanding the science behind proper health and nutrition. He shares some of those crazy experiences in this episode. But, the end result has been well worth it. Eric is over 60 years old, but he can do things guys 40 years younger than him can't do.

One of those younger guys is our podcast host, Chad Brown. Chad begins his own quest for optimal fitness right along with you. Come along for the journey and experience the training first hand, all of the good, bad, and downright insane!

Eric is an expert in the field of nutritional ketogenics, body chemistry and blood marker analysis, and functional movement. These three pillars are the key to optimal fitness, and Eric is here to guide you, the listener, on the path to the perfect balance of fitness and health. 

So that you can live your life in ketosis.


Chad: 00:00 They say a journey begins with a single step, or in my case, One less piece of bread.

Chad: 00:10 My name is chad and I'm your test subject. I have sought out an expert in the field of nutrition and fitness who I hope would help me feel better. They call him the bio hacker but I call him parrot. I hope you'll join me on a path that leads you to an idea Optimal Fitness as we live our lives in ketosis. This is the life in ketosis podcast a bio hackers guide to optimal body performance.

Chad: 00:44 Everybody this is Chad and this is the life of ketosis podcast and this is episode number one of my quest to achieving optimal body performance with the man that can get me there. The bio hacker himself Mr. Eric Bischof every episode I will be sharing my actual results both successes and failures as Eric teaches me how to apply the principles of ketogenics and functional movement to look and feel fantastic today we're talking about Eric himself. We're gonna get a little introduction of who he is and what makes hims tick as a bio hacker as an athlete as a coach or a trainer. Eric has his finger in everything. If it has anything to do with ketosis if he has to do with training he has studied. We were just talking just a minute ago he said upwards of three hours a day studying this stuff which is pretty incredible.

Eric: 01:38 Thank you Chad. Yes I do study three hours a day. But I think it's because they have a hard time remembering everything. So I'm always studying OK. Trying to get it to sink in. By that I do spend countless hours studying listening to podcasts doing whatever I can to expand my knowledge in the areas that I'm I'm trying to learn so I can actually share it with other people. What's your motivation. Why are you doing this. You know if I have to give myself a definition I would say and basically just the guy. That's on a relentless obsessive pursuit of optimal performance by live in a Ketogenic lifestyle.

Eric: 02:31 Basically to enhance others to increase their health their longevity strength and happiness. That's basically why I'm in this.

Chad: 02:43 OK. So you used a lot of terms. I think that most people won't be familiar with but that's OK. We're going to get there later podcasts. We will talk but specifically today we're talking about you as a trainer as a coach but also as a bio hacker yourself. And one thing that's really interesting to me is that you talk about biohacking has to be experienced on an individual level. But first I think we need to lay a foundation and talk about what is biohacking what what exactly I mean I think I feel like it's a hot phrase right now. It keeps throwing it out there. But can you can you at least dumb that down for us a little bit and tell us where

Eric: 03:23 and when I first got into biohacking.  I started reading about other bio hackers and and what they were doing and basically the goal of biohacking is is just getting a an improvement in your biological processes. So let's say your cardio or strength and even down to blood markers even people know me as I'm always dealing with the mitochondria. So anything you can make an improvement where you can make what we call a hack OK to make that an improvement and some rely on numbers.

Eric: 03:58 Some hackers they go by numbers and the data taken from those numbers is what hack they want to apply and what shows success.

Eric: 04:07 OK.

Eric: 04:08 And they say it's just finding the tools and principles that will make it work for you. And we're all different so we kind of have to dial in individually some of your own biohacking because what works for me I'm going to try to see if it works for you as a coach. If not I will make some changes and as far as I'll go to your genetics and say hey this is not going to work for you because I'm I'm kind of the molecular guy. I want to go deep. And as you'll see there our podcast sometimes I go too deep. You're here to bring me back up.

Chad: 04:47 Yeah. So when you talk about hacking I can't help but think about it. I can't help but think about computers and code right because when we most of the time when we hear the word hacking it it refers to computers websites databases. And that I'm assuming I'm not I'm not a hacker myself but I'm assuming if you're going to hack a database if you're going to hack into a computer system something like that you have to know that system inside and out individually. Right. Not every computer system is exactly the same. Exactly with our bodies they function different. They burn fuel different. All of those sort of thing. So you as a coach in a bio hacker for me or even yourself have to know my system exactly inside and out to be able to hack it.

Eric: 05:37 Exactly. And that's why I'm a numbers hacker OK because I can get to the numbers of you individually.

Eric: 05:45 OK. So basically numbers actually start out with with heart rate. OK. I could start out with your blood pressure your glucose which I would definitely get into that I can get into your blood lipids.

Eric: 05:57 I can get into your mitochondria in your molecular antioxidants through and through snip study which is your genes. So. I can get to through to you by your numbers.

Eric: 06:13 Okay and that's why I'm I'm more of a numbers hacker. Some people go by by results by feeling by you know it. If that was successful I prefer to operate off your numbers because that's basically your blueprint. It doesn't mean that you're stuck with that. It means we're going to find different ways to express that blueprint in a better positive way. And that's what I've done to myself.

Chad: 06:37 I mean this sounds like this sounds like a journey for sure especially if you've been working on this figures in your journey. So what have you learned about yourself and about biohacking through this process.

Eric: 06:50 Why I got into biohacking in the beginning. I got into it for self knowledge OK. I wanted to learn about myself. I wanted to know what it made me. Me and how I operated and functioned and at first it was motivating I'll be honest by finding an edge in competitions. I got into the world of racing triathlon. Lonsec Sedra at a later age in my late 40s and 58. This is all new to me. This all began at around age 50 and so was basically. My motivation was to get an edge against my competitors. And what can make me stronger faster. Leaner. So if I could tweak this or tweak that. That'll give me the edge the edge on my competitors and I was in it to win it and then I started studying other.

Eric: 07:42 Bio hackers who great ones and to me you know they knew what they were doing and so I spent years diving in every rabbit hole all the clinical trials I could study.

Eric: 07:55 I researched every results in any way I can apply that to my own personal biohacking and that's and that's what I did. And. So. Basically when I got to it one of the greatest challenges was whose knowledge.

Eric: 08:14 Do you trust. Like like you you probably are on the on the surface trying to figure stuff out. And so you may go to the Internet.

Eric: 08:24 And you're just going to get confused because one day they're going to say it's good for you. And one day it's bad for you. One day this works. One day it doesn't. It's what we've been taught all along. You know forty years ago it became you know something's like saturated fat which is totally bad for you don't do it. Cholesterol is totally bad for you salt is bad for you. Now look things are changing and so I think a lot of people have lost a lot of confidence in obtaining their own knowledge because it changes things.

Chad: 08:53 That's that's one of my questions for you is how do how do we know the things that you're going to teach and talk about through this podcast are not just a fad or not just another thing like you're talking about you know in 10 years everybody is going to say oh bio biohacking is terrible. Exactly. What's the what's our base what's our base our what are we. What are we coming off of.

Eric: 09:16 And I think the base that everyone that most people are if you want to go deep like I I when I go deep into it is you've gotta go off.

Eric: 09:25 My bases. It's through self-knowledge study. But I've gotta go off clinical trials. That's really that's all it's out there. And those are randomized controlled studies. OK. Trials and those are ones that cause the gold standard. So I spent.

Eric: 09:42 All my time studying and you know through PubMed at NIH reading every clinical study that I could get behind. OK. But then as my research got more intense as my wife would say obsessive. I discovered a couple things Chad.

Eric: 09:58 And I think I can alleviate other people from having to go down the same path as me and spend a lot of time in the two things I really couldn't get there quicker if I could get there quicker and who to trust. Because a couple of things there's one there's always an opposing study of the one you're starting to believe in. So now you've got to decipher that and then because you've all like I said you've been on the Internet you see two opposing views of any science. All right. And number two a big thing that I learned was to follow the money now.

Eric: 10:31 And who's behind these clinical trials. And that became basically pretty depressing because then I learned that. Everybody who's. In charge of clinical studies because they cost an enormous amount of money you got to find out who's financing it and what is their motive behind it. Universities research outfits they all need funding and usually sometimes the funding can skew the actual results and that's why we'll talk later another podcast about random eyes control trials. So there is some things out there you have to be very careful of. And then you've got to interpret this study. And so. And if it's where's the money coming from is coming from pharma food industry private businesses.

Eric: 11:23 Profit motivated. And I have nothing against profit but. I just want the truth. So we're back to square one Chad. Who do we trust?

Chad: 11:33 How do we know. Well how do we know what solid science and what what what is funded by a particular goal in mind.

Eric: 11:40 And I tell you that's one of my biggest questions. How am I going to decipher truth. And I just basically decided. I'm going to have to gather the best knowledge I can and then go straight to self experimentation. That's the key. That's what I practice and that's what I teach.

Chad: 12:02 So you I mean in the name of self experimentation you've done some pretty crazy stuff. Yes. So why don't you give us an idea of some of the things you've given some of the things you've done in the name of self experimentation to figure out who's telling the truth and who's not. And then we can talk about why that's all you get.

Eric: 12:20 And I won't get too deep into the science of it but I'll tell you what I did. And some of the motive behind it but a lot of that the biohacking all begin basically in the beginning I'll be I'll be honest like I said it was basically motivated by self ego. OK. I was a tough thing to mend but I wanted to hack.

Eric: 12:41 To beat and be more competitive in my racing. Ok then over time it's my passion was changing from serving myself to actually serving other people. And I don't mean that sound cheesy or or whatever but to be true honest with you it it started changing completely. And and it was far more rewarding for me to see someone actually change their lifestyle to a point of having better health.

Eric: 13:12 And happiness. And it's my passion and I'm on board 100 percent yeah.

Chad: 13:17 So what are some of these crazy things that you've done in the name of self-experimentation?

Chad: 13:21 This is the good stuff and some good and bad because here's where I want to go with this Eric is that you you know there's at some point the rubber has to meet the road for exactly. I'm not as extreme as you right. I don't really. To be honest I don't care to know the ins and outs of every piece of the science. That's why I came to you. Right. Right. That's why you're going to coach me through my through my through my transformation. Right. But can you talk about some of these extreme things and this is this is not the normal just so everybody knows this is.

Eric: 13:52 This is Eric. There's some sense of there's some bad but. I'm trying to do this.

Eric: 13:57 I'm taking it to the test. OK. Basically my goal has always been who do you Trausti if I can become somewhat of the real deal and be upfront about everything and honest. And if it works for me maybe it'll work for you. OK. You don't have to go to the extremes that I go to. All right. And we're lucky you did that for us.

Eric: 14:19 Right. And I wish I was your. How do you channel. Forgot your third 34 right. Well I'm 61 so I wish I would have pursued this at your age because I think I've been a lot tougher. In fact my wife she's always saying Do you realize how old you are. This could kill you. Now in pretty good shape I think so anyway. But anyway it in doing it I have to say a couple of things is.

Eric: 14:43 Sometimes it's pretty selfish because you actually involve family members by not their choice. OK. Because you you're doing things but you're going to incorporate family members and some of it. My wife I have to give her fantastic credit for for enduring through these with me my first self-test if I come back if I think back how I every self-test was something I'll do it. Real brief is it. I was 20 years old 1976. I was actually my first self-test. And what motivated me was I was in a teaching situation and working with people that were smokers and drinkers. And as a 20 year old progressive motivated trying to tell people. Addictions are all in your head. You just quit make the decision. Stop. Let me take your cigarettes away from you. You will stop. You know put your big boy pants on and quit. And finally after several working with people with addictions. Gentlemen just point his finger at me straight across and he just verbatim is written in my diary. He said what in the hell have you ever quit. The man took me back and I'm like nothing. And so I actually went home. The next two days and I actually thought about what I could quit and I'll make this quick. I actually thought the biggest thing I was addicted to is a 20 year old with sugar. I loved my sweets my my my candy my doughnuts. So I made a test commitment that night to quit sugar and anything made with sugar. And remember this is the early 70s. This is 1976 and. You didn't have all the nutrients on everything. Size real careful and I actually just quit. Anything made with sugar and I really learned how to relate to other people after that because I made it 18 months with nothing made with sugar. That was my first self test OK. And after 18 months I got married and I failed. I actually got tempted by my my wife as I was engaged she got me at Wendy's and pushed this shake chocolate shake those go ahead just take one step just try try try and I basically took a couple spoonfuls and it was a frosty what they call and it was over. I started eating sugar again. But I did other. I did quit later on anyway. So that was actually my first experience. And then at 854 I started really get into testing. I did some before but one of them just some of the major ones you know you asked for 54. I began training for my first Ironman. OK. And I was going to a race that was in higher altitude. And I lived in Cleveland Ohio. Low altitude. And I wanted to buy biohack basically my oxygen consumption.

Eric: 17:24 OK make in my him hepatic great. OK. I want to increase it by getting more red blood cells more fuel to the mitochondria to produce more ATP. All right. I knew going to high altitude I would be at a disadvantage. OK. So I I bought a high altitude tent and this.

Eric: 17:46 Actually goes over your bed.

Eric: 17:47 It's a big clear bubble OK. And I actually slept that for five months straight in a bubble and my wife was nice enough to join me in our bed in this high altitude tent. We slept 10000 feet altitude and zipped in any point that I had to do to make make her happy. I had to put a TV in the bubble because when you watch a TV through the bubble it was blurry. And so here we are in a tent hot. Humid. Constantly checking your altitude and your oxygen sensor to make sure there's enough oxygen in there which made her really nervous and then.

Eric: 18:29 She was she was good enough to do that for five months sleeping in that hot humid tent that's pretty extreme.

Chad: 18:37 I'm not going to do that. I'm not even going to go to the place where my mind immediately is what does high altitude do to your sex life.

Eric: 18:45 Well at least I can brag that I was almost. Yeah yeah 10000 feet yeah yeah. Oxygen quick. Put it that way you got pretty tired fast.

Eric: 18:54 But the worst is not to be gross but you're enclosed and if you need to go to the restroom there's a little zipper and it just a little hole you've got to crawl out of. And my wife got so mad because she had to get up and go the bathroom and I would say quick quick get out because zip it back up I don't wanna lose altitude.

Eric: 19:13 And so she was constantly under panic. And plus it got hot humid and pretty soon.

Eric: 19:17 I hate to say there wasn't no air circulation but the car was it what I set out to do was to increase my hermatacrit okay increase my my red blood cells. I got more oxygen to my cells to the mitochondria and I tell you what my body adapted to it very well and then and so that was a success story but it was I have to appreciate my wife for that one.

Chad: 19:44 So talk a little bit about this recent one where you did have an actual five day fast just on water but not taking anything out of your exercise regimen.

Eric: 19:54 Exactly what I did. I teach and I coach keto.

Eric: 19:59 And so I wanted to show one end of the extreme. OK. Because you're telling people to reduce their carbs increase their fat keep their protein moderate. So basically a lot of the fear from people that I work with they didn't want to lose muscle mass. They were afraid. Luke O'Neal genesis of turning the muscle tissue into glucose. OK.

Chad: 20:22 Yeah. So we'll get into all those details about ketosis. Talk about your experiment.

Eric: 20:26 So what I did I said what I did I set out to do I was going to do a five day water only fast. I'd throw a little sodium low electrolytes in my water and one multivitamin a day. OK.

Eric: 20:37 So before the actual fire day began I wouldn't get my DEXA done which you're familiar with that get in your body fat your muscle percentage and your bone density it's an MRI like an MRI complete most accurate scanning out there. I got that done the day before the day after my test I went had my blood limpets done. I went and I thought you know it's a stressor. So I wanted to see what my cortisol was going to do because anytime you force a stressor on your body your cortisol can react OK and send you into a sympathetic nervous situation which we'll.

Eric: 21:08 Talk about later but and then I've got I've got my testosterone because I wanted to see what would happen with my testosterone during that. So I begin the fast. In fact I told my wife and lot of others were watching this fast. My wife actually told me asked me if I go live in a motel for the five days because she knew I won crabby dude and I thought maybe I should. And serious concerns about six years old and and lot of people think you're in starvation. But as we all talk further about ketogenics you are not in starvation. I was in ketosis. I was burning lots of fatty acids as ketones beta hydroxybutyrate. So I wasn't worried there and I did some studies on fasting. And trust me I did my research before I did this. OK. So I begin my fast and that thing I'm a different about it. You'll hear a lot of people fasting out there they go five days seven days or whatever I wanted to increase high intensity workouts in my fast. I wanted to push my body as hard as I could not not over but enough to give it a good test. All right. So on a day three days those.

Eric: 22:16 I was going to do what I call a very muscle fatigue and high intensity workout I call I've nicknamed the ring a pain. I have a lot of people try it. I have a video on actually video at all days and documented everything. And so what I did on day one.

Chad: 22:31 Would you have done the ring of pain. That's right the first time we talk about this a little bit later in this episode I have experienced a ring of pain and I will testify to its pain.

Eric: 22:42 And I told them it's a baseline test and I didn't want tell me any more about it. OK. And nothing going into it. And what it is is actually it's a very tough fatiguing test.

Eric: 22:53 On and on muscle fatigue. And that's what I wanted to push the limit. And we will talk about that further in science. But the ring of pain is a real quick it's four rounds. And if any of you are familiar with rings you know gymnastic rings what you got to do is start five handstand pushups and then you go straight no rest. You go to 10 ring dips. Then you go to 10 box ring pushups your feeder elevator and a box ring pushups then you go to ten box real deep raised pushups to get your shoulders all the way down. Then you go to ten ring pools. And so that's one round you do four rounds of this unbroken or in my case you do round and round and he did go around and around and around the baseline and you got it unbroken.

Eric: 23:45 And so my goal was to do three of those workouts during my five day fast and make them Unbroken.

Eric: 23:50 And also I teach cycling at our gym and they're basically everything everything's heart monitors so I knew what my heart rate would be and I wanted to keep it in nine to 2 percent but anyway I did my first ring ring a pain three o'clock in the morning when I get to the gym I was Fassett two days and it was great. And I'm making sure there's a video that will be coming out showing it. I taught my cycling class held 92 percent average for 40 minutes doing good a little bit of hunger on the second day. Not bad. Go into the third day no hunger at all. My workouts were great.

Eric: 24:26 I was in ketosis and are in ketosis so I was utilizing what we called beta hydroxybutyrate molecule and I tested my blood every four hours. My glucose and I tested my beta hydroxybutyrate ketone every four or five hours. So I knew where I was in ketosis and I knew I wanted to wash my insulin levels. And one interesting thing for those who follow glucose or insulin in one of my classes I teach Gene I and I checked my blood glucose and I was at a 38. Most people you hear 38 if you go to a doctor and they check your blood glucose they would probably check you in and run a lot of tests on you. But my heart rate average is 92 and I felt really good because I was burning fatty acid of course ketones as my feel. And of course it did rise after the classic Get Back Up to 70. And we weren't going to science why that. But I can explain to you later why that happened. But anyway.

Eric: 25:22 Throughout the fast the third the second muscle pain was actually one of my fastest times I've ever done and I was I was shocked. And then the last test if I was on the on the fifth day and that was my last day in my class. But during the fourth and fifth day everyone noticed at the gym that my cognitive was just spot on.

Eric: 25:48 They said man you've been in your computer for like five hours straight and you actually get a little euphoric and your cognitive is just dialed in and of course Baydar could actually be a way for as a brain. Fuel is fantastic for your mitochondria. We'll go into that later. But anyway it was noticeable by others at the gym and my energy level.

Eric: 26:09 And in fact people felt sorry for me and I felt bad because I wasn't I wasn't hurting at all. I was feeling really good. But my last test on the fifth day. Came after a night we got to bed at midnight that night because we're from Cleveland the Indians were playing their last game and they lost. We'd go to bat I got three hours sleep and I still had a fantastic workout. In fact I had my cycling class and then I went downstairs and I was feeling really good as my last day and I said to my wife I'm I go for a three mile run and went for a three mile run and finally that night ended the fast at 8 o'clock that night and I finally got to eat.

Chad: 26:46 And so where does these are these are all really cool experiments that most people aren't going to participate in. But where were benefits is placed people like me come to you Eric and say Eric I need some help whether it's I want to get into ketosis I want to live my life in ketosis. I want to get in shape on a focus in this part of my body. I want to do you know I want to perform better athletically whatever that is. How do how do these tests the self tests that you have done. How did they benefit me.  And even the listeners of this podcast

Eric: 27:19 and what it is when you take these tests you want to see the results. OK. So like you a lot of people in the reason when I got my results back after the next day I went got my DEXA done.

Eric: 27:29 I got my blood work done my all and everything and the fascinating thing about it is I can finally show people you can live as we teach on in ketosis and beta hydroxybutyrate as your fuel using fatty acids night your glucose. You can actually take it to the extreme and be you know have all the fuel you'll need and the neat part is when I get my DEXA down across the lost body fat but the neat things the lean muscle tissue stayed exactly the same through the whole five days I lost no muscle mass at all.

Eric: 28:00 And that's the point I wanted to prove and show even with muscle fatigue and exercise. There's a way your body adapts when it goes into fasting which we'll go into later. You actually go anabolic. You produce more human growth hormone and you're actually through a topic you regenerate a lot of leucine from those other cells but. My blood Lupus turned out good my Cortazar was good. And one interesting fact that my doctor can was quite surprised my testosterone. It's Pickle's I think it is at normal age like 82 is the number for her 60 year old. When we tested that I was equal to a 25 year old at 160 on my testosterone went up 80 points.

Eric: 28:45 So Candy what I'm trying to do is show these tests to where I can alleviate some of your fear in going into ketosis and you can see some of the success that you can get from what I've accomplished are kind of put out there for you.

Eric: 29:03 OK.

Chad: 29:05 So I think that's really interesting that you bring up the fear because that's where I'm at right now. Right. I'm about I'm on the precipice of making this change. We've been talking for a couple of weeks and I've decided that I'm going to go I'm going to be the test subject for this right and not in those extreme tests but in a daily functional test way so that people can follow my journey with you as my coach and and hopefully I can help them feel confident or this experiment can help them feel confident in introducing some of these principles into their life for all of these principles into their life and using literally using you as a coach through this podcast to be able to do some of that. So I think that's really cool. It's a long journey and there is some fear but I know that the reason that I would attach myself to you to go through something like this is because you have experienced the extreme end.

Eric: 29:59 And I appreciate that because it is the extreme OK.

Eric: 30:02 And the only reason I jumped into ketosis in the beginning was I was a hardcore vegan for two years studied it practiced it and then I decided to do it when I turned 60 I want to do an Ironman and I said and I started reading up on it. And then Greenfeld a lot of guys that are endurance athletes were going ketosis and I just made the decision just after I read two books studied all I could go on ketosis for this iron man I will train ketosis and I did it and I wanted to prove to myself what kind of.

Eric: 30:36 Fuel sources I can adapt to make it better for me a better experience for me. And I trained every day in ketosis. I fasted every day. In fact not one workout for the whole Iron Man. Ever had any glucose in my system. I fat from the night before I did all my workouts before noon and I fasted till noon every day. Only thing I had was water electrolytes. So I'm burning obviously fatty acids convert into ketones. That was my fuel source. So it was a great experience. And we'll talk about it in another time. But I want you to know basically the people life coach. Is I'm trying to experience as much as I can to bring to you OK. And and hopefully.  My knowledge will benefit you

Chad: 31:23 just like coming back to that to the story you shared with with the guy who was trying to quit cigarettes. Felt like you could not coach him unless you had experienced these things right. So I can I can read what doctors or watch or listen to what doctors are talking about these different systems but unless they've really experienced it and taken it to the extreme why why would I let them into my life to to make those decisions for me until they've experienced it.

Eric: 31:50 Right exactly because you want to take note from somebody who's teaching you that they've been there and they've done that. And basically I have said the word before. Is there any way I can make this the real deal. And if I fail I will tell you it fails. I mean granted we're different but pretty much genetically we're all pretty close the same. We just have a few things. You know we may be different and we can dial that in or modify it. But that's what it comes down to. It's hard to listen to your doctor if he's obese and he's trying to lecture you about obesity in your blood lipids and your cholesterol.

Eric: 32:24 And he has put you on medication be better if he can teach you by example what his experiences are. That's basically what I tried.

Chad: 32:33 So even outside of being an extreme bio hacker and a just a crazy person for some of the things that you do. In my opinion not and probably not in your opinion. Do you consider yourself crazy.

Eric: 32:45 My wife will call me crazy I say I'm committed not committed crazy committed and obsessed to finding the truth or committed to being created. That's the last. I've got a lot of different ones. But the last one I started doing was I did sauna cycling and I wanted to get my heat shock proteins built up which will go into a pod cast on that but basically it's again biohacking.

Eric: 33:10 So I took my my my my bike in the sauna put it on a trainer and I I trained 30 minutes. I had my heart rate monitor the temperature everything. I'm measuring my sweat loss so I have a scale. So I actually measure my sweat loss and measure my heart rate I'm actually increasing and getting adapted to more heat wear. And I'm a real sweater. I really heat up so I'm trying to get my body to adapt to move it quicker cool off faster. OK. So finally I have it up on a bench. And my wife this one didn't make me. And this one was kind of tough. I wasn't paying attention and the back leg of that trainer just from paddling I was into 26 minutes. The back leg went off the bench. Catapulted me right on top with a furnace.

Eric: 33:59 And it was the most excruciating pain I ever felt because my butt landed right on the furnace my my head hit the wall. I blacked out just all I saw was black. I didn't know how long but all that brought me to was this. Burning sensation in my butt and I couldn't get off the furnace because I have a bike clipped into and the trainer. And here I am trying to get off the first I finally got the furnace blistered my butt. I've burnt my arm I burnt my shins and it was kind of a bad experience.

Chad: 34:32 But there was a whole different meaning to feeling the burn rather than literally feel the burn.

Eric: 34:37 But you know I teach your kid to get off a bike to get back on it. Well I'm back in the sauna training and I'll tell you I'm a little nervous. I  pay attention to where my bike is and my wife's like you know you're an idiot. That's what she describes me on.

Chad: 34:50 So so in addition to all of these things that we talked about the biohacking the experimenting booking it. I just want to take a quick snapshot and day to day for Eric which I think is really fascinating. You own a gym. Yes. You're active in the gym incredibly active with your patrons and the people that are there. Can you talk about what you're doing with some of the people in the gym and what results they're seeing through through some of these things that you're teaching you.

Eric: 35:18 What we're doing you know we try to develop a different a different fitness center. OK. Because basically they're all the same. You go get your workout and you leave and you're gone. OK. And we created a fitness center and our motto is Never workout alone. OK. So all our programs are designed in a class environment. OK so we're keeping people together working out together. You know if you go by yourself to a gym most people their success ratio of maintaining that workout is limited unless they workout in a group who meet each other or are class type in an environment.

Eric: 35:51 And we're trying. We got away from the traditional gyms. You know I'm an I'm an old bodybuilder from the 70s OK where nothing's really changed and you go to a gym. You go into the weight room. It's the same workouts Tricep Extension bicep curls bench press. It's the same thing and we said hey how do we how can we make this different. Happily change the principles of what we're teaching to to benefit people. And so we actually went and we incorporated a lot of it's our our own philosophy that we adapt to more functional movement. And so we are workouts are designed about function. So we're incorporating that by using proper body mechanics and all movements we call it inclusive like hinge mechanics will talk about trunk rotation anterior posterior Sharleen's core stability. And it's all done through isometric dynamic and ballistic movements and you probably think Well what is this. And as I coach you you're going to be in some of these classes and so basically functional movement is what you move like every day. Okay we're going to make that better for you and stronger you're going to implement your core and your stabilizers and so and that's been a huge success there because we have classes and people say have never moved like this before. I'm doing squats the proper way I'm doing all these different movements that I never imagined I could do. OK. And so and that's something that makes us different and we even implemented cardio and now I'm at real high intensity.

Eric: 37:30 Wasifi. And I do a lot of high high intensity training because I will get into the science of that later. And so what have you do in a lot of things. We DEXA test there. We want to know your numbers. I've actually biomarkers. I'll get into your blood lip and your thyroid and different things to help you try to establish a baseline and what to go from

Chad: 37:53 at the gym you're implementing functional movement you're implementing nutritional things.

Chad: 37:58 Yes.

Eric: 38:00 And that's ketogenic is where we are not just all ketogenics but I'm coaching maybe probably 15 to 20 ketogenic athletes right now not athletes.

Eric: 38:12 Everyone from anybody is overweight or everyday overweight or they just want to shred or they're training for an insurance race.

Eric: 38:21 We cover the gamut and in all areas

Chad: 38:23 Yeah I have to say I was at the gym the other morning actually and we were taking some pictures. It was actually when I did the ring a pain workout and we were doing some pictures of you and stuff like that for the podcast. And there was one of your clients there that is actually in ketosis and was I mean everyday guy just kind of at the gym and then all suddenly started doing these Boxer box jumps that were like blowing my mind. And I was.

Eric: 38:47 And you know that's a 40 inch box jump for a guy who's 217 pounds he's lost 17 pounds on ketogenics and he's just loving it.

Eric: 39:00 He's in and he's seen the results not just in physical but as far as energy cognitive health. And more than that I like and we'll talk about later. I'd like to get into the cellular the mitochondria efficiency and most important controlling your blood insulin which will have a lot to do with it because that's where everything's at its controlling.

Chad: 39:21 Yeah. And I had a chance on Sunday then to work out with you again and I'll talk more about that in just a second. But but I had had the chance to kind of chat a little bit with another one of your clients that you've been working with for a while and he explained to me some benefits that I didn't even know existed he told me. I mean that he was extremely depressed before going before going ketosis and so and he explained to me you know ketosis literally saved my life because I was I was depressed.

Chad: 39:54 I wasn't eating well I was not exercising. And once he started to work with you and really follow some of these dietary nutritional functional movement things all of that disappeared for him. Now I'm not saying that that's the case for everybody but ultimately it has a happiness factor to it.

Eric: 40:14 Right. Because when we'll talk about the podcast which I am I am in ketosis for beta hydroxybutyrate molecule. OK. That of course can pass the blood brain barrier. All right. And when it gets into your neurons activity as far as reactive auction species less free radicals more neuron communication that beta hydroxybutyrate a better rate. That's a lot. And so I'm anxious when we have another podcast to get into that molecule because I have seen amazing results from people and you can take that molecule exiled genius like a lot of athletes do where they don't have to go into ketosis to actually produce that ketones they'll take an exam.

Eric: 40:56 Leslie by an outside source. So you could get a powder of whatever it could be a ketone Ester which is pretty expensive or ketone salt which we'll talk about.

Eric: 41:05 So you can take that exogenously because they want that beta hydroxybutyrate molecule because what it does when you burn that in your mitochondria it actually gives you more energy per molecule than glucose and when it comes down to your electric transport change Cheney it goes across very cleanly across the complexes. You do not have to have less free radicals so it can reduce your reactive much in species which I love when we get to go into that great because that's that's what I'm in it for I'm in it for the beta hydroxybutyrate.

Eric: 41:34 If I have to put it that way I made it the way I'd like to eat right because it is giving me lots of fuel lots of energy for my endurance and I'm a big fan of all this.

Chad: 41:42 All right so this podcast is for us to get to know you have a couple of.

Eric: 41:46 And I'm excited to work with you Chad. I and I think the results are going to be fantastic.

Chad: 41:51 Yeah I'm super excited. We'll talk about that just a second. Couple of questions to rapid fire at you because we want to get to know you. And this is a surprise you didn't know I was going to go here.

Chad: 42:03 So here's here's my first question. What's your favorite guilty pleasure food like the one that is absolutely not on the meal plan label don't label don't it bar.

Eric: 42:13 And when I scale out I'm I'm an honest guy when I scale out of ketosis because I will teach people to scale out because I've been you know for a year when I scale out the only thing I cheat with I go straight to a store called Stokes and I get a maple bar on it and my wife looks at me she's in keto she's like You're an idiot. And I said no it's my guilty pleasure. Sorry I got to pick a poison and if there's another poison I sneak a diet coke once in a while. So there you go. I love it.

Eric: 42:42 And one day when I was wearing I did a test I wore a continuous glucose monitor for three weeks where he inserted in your stomach. So I am a big insulin guy. I follow blood glucose I wore for three weeks and I was testing every sweetener all the foods I watched fact I was obsessed with it my wife couldn't wait to get it out because what it's doing it's reading your your blood glucose your sugar continuously. So I'm actually getting all the spikes the lows testing the food and the key to good health which you'll see is the wave of the future is keeping your insulin steady low and in check that metabolic syndrome. I won't go into details but. The fun part about it was I got to test all these foods and I actually went to the store right after I stopped my Cyclades on my scale. I got three maple bar donut and downed them just one after another to see what I spiked to and it was pretty interesting tests actually. But it was good. The good part about it I spikes it 140 9 was Max if I needed them but I dropped back down to about 80 in 20 minutes. I was real excited about showing that my insulin sensitivity was was pretty strong anyway.

Chad: 43:57 So sorry about that diabetes is another thing we're going to go. That's where we're going. And that's why I'm here now.

Chad: 44:02 So let's turn to me. We're about to wrap up here. Let's talk a little bit about my situation. Right. So a quick introduction to me. I am 34 years old. I I weigh currently I weigh 168 k. I went through a transformation about a year ago. Actually it's probably more more like two years ago where I went from one eighty one eighty nine was about my highest point. Yeah. So 189 and I dropped it down to 165 and that was just cleaning up my diet. And yep breads breads was huge I got rid of breads carbs yep I lowered my carbs I went really quite vegetable basically was really what I did. And and yes so it was it was incredible I was very disappointed. I was working out daily. In fact not all. Not all of them were hard. I was allowing myself some recovery. That kind of thing but now I've I've kind of fallen back into really bad eating habits with terrible eating habits. Luckily the weight hasn't gone on as fast as it as I was able to take it off. And I've I've kind of flatlined I think a little bit right. Where I'm at the at the 168. So yeah. And I'm nodding I'm athletically I'm not I'm not athletically inclined. I've I've never played any organized sports. I do enjoy hiking. I enjoy mountain biking. I don't love running. I hate weightlifting. You do good.

Eric: 45:41 That's good because we don't weigh less. We get all weight type of workouts. OK. That's awesome.

Chad: 45:47 So and I'll just keep on bring people up to speed into where we've been together is really all of this has been up to this point is talks. We've done two workouts together. Did you ring a pain. I made it through one and a half rounds. I was supposed to make it through four. Not supposed to.

Eric: 46:04 No no that was your goal. But that's a baseline right.

Chad: 46:07 So. So now we know where I'm at. Right. And I recorded a little video journal that I'll post. We can post in the in the in the show notes for this episode of just me talking about the morning of the workout I do before I do after that I actually film the workout so you can see me struggle and shake and cry as Eric kicks me in the stomach while I'm down.

Eric: 46:26 Not just that but I will scale you to make make sure it's safe. OK. Because I did see you shake a little bit on those rings a lot of.

Chad: 46:35 So and then the second workout we did is there's a local trail here. I don't even do you know what the elevation gain is.

Eric: 46:42 I don't even get it. You started at 4000 and it ends at 6000.

Chad: 46:47 So near 2000 near 2000 elevation gain and it's a switch back it's 13 switchbacks. And so what we did is basically high intensity intervals where we ran we ran one stretch and then rest and get our heart rate back down at the switchback.

Eric: 47:05 So I wanted to raise your heart rate to your max. That's the interval I would go maybe 100 or 102 percent. You were getting two hundred. All right. Then the biggest thing is we freeze because we want to bring the heart rate down as quickly as possible and then once you hit 80 percent OK. Boom like you said we went again today and through high intensity interval training bringing you heart rate up and see a you can get it down. All we're trying to do is get adapted to that which will have a podcast on it and I'm like I said before I'm all about high intensity work.

Chad: 47:39 So I completed that in 47 minutes. Yeah. Yeah. So that's that's that's my measurement there. So. So from here we're just going to work on diet we're going to work on nutrition. I'm going to get tested. Just give me a brief explanation. We have much time left but give me a brief explanation of where we're going from here.

Chad: 47:59 Basically what we're going to do we're going to test your biomarkers your DEXA. So I I have a baseline.

Eric: 48:04 OK numbers I'm back to numbers because I want to see how you improve and even in numbers in your macros in going ketogenics I will follow you on my fitness pal because I will always try to dial in your numbers and the exciting thing is we're going to do is we're going to change your energy substrate that goes into the mitochondria. OK we're going to change that because you've been glucose base your carbohydrate based Okay you've probably been feeding yourself every two hours so you constantly have glucose in it in blood sugar in there so your insulin is always raced to a certain level. And I remember once said insulins there its job is to get that sugar out and get it into the cells into the mitochondria if not they're stored as glycogen. If not there I mean it's all tapped off. It's going to send a bacteria liver added glycerol to convert it to a triglyceride and send it back to adipose tissue. All right.

Eric: 48:58 So I'm excited to change it down. Yes I'm going to be burning fuel differently yes. It's going to be fatty acids that are going to be converted in your liver to ketones Seatle acetate beta hydroxybutyrate and acetone and we're going to do that through ketosis and ketogenic.

Chad: 49:18 But the but what goes into that is my workout regimen. Yes my diet my nutrition and your nutrition.

Eric: 49:23 And we're going to dial all that in because I've already set up your macros and and your on my fitness pal.

Eric: 49:30 And we're just going to change your eating to be eating fuel not food. Everything you're going to treat it now in your lifestyle. Treat food as a fuel source not as a food with taste and sugar and sweetness and all that. This is fuel for your body. And that's what we teach. Once you accept that then guess what.

Eric: 49:53 In the neatest part about this in ketosis which you're going to experience like all the ones I've coached continue coaching. They love it because the reason why most people are obese or overweight is because you have cravings and when the brain gives you crave means good walking beating the brain now because you will lose to the brain. And that's because it's been glucose fed and your brain can only burn glucose a little lactate because the fatty acids can't cross the blood brain barrier but ketones can we change the fuel to the brain the brain cells that get ketones. I have glucose. I don't need to give you those cravings. Guess what. It's not about willpower all the time. It's about what the brain wants to control what you do.

Eric: 50:33 OK. I'm not I'm not letting you off the hook. I'm just saying cravings are coming for other reasons.

Chad: 50:38 All right. You heard it here on earth is promising I will be craving free

Eric: 50:43 you because that is very satiating and you're going to enjoy that.  I mean you really will. OK.

Chad: 50:49 That's awesome. Well this has been our first episode of The Life in ketosis podcast. I'm so grateful to get to know you. I think this is going to be an awesome journey. I'm looking forward to the pain. I'm looking forward to the trial to the feeling better to meeting some of my goals. All of that kind of stuff.

Eric: 51:06 So and what's neat about it is you keep saying this is a journey it's a lifestyle change. It's not an eight week hit wonder. It's eight weeks than eight weeks and eight weeks until I've been on it over a year. It's my lifestyle it's my wife's lifestyle. I've seen people at the gym they've been on eight weeks there and that ketosis and I make them scale out because we'll talk about that as a stressor to adapt. They don't want to scale out and I have to force them to scale up but eat healthy carbs when you know sweet potato more because of calciferous vegetables and things like that. So it's a journey and I'm glad you're on it. I'm excited to work with you. I really am. Yeah. And you'll know You'll see that I have the passion to do with you. Yeah really be great.

Chad: 51:49 You are great. I have to say about chad. I was so impressed and the ring pain. I didn't think you just quit but he actually hung in there. His arms are shaking and nobody's done. And I'm just saying anybody at the gym they've tried the ring of pain they're doing it.

Eric: 52:04 Nobody has completed four rounds unbroken yet.

Eric: 52:07 And so and I'm not saying I'm going to like them.

Eric: 52:10 But I'm not saying I'm Superman or anything but I'm just say it takes time to adapt to anything new will be there in your run up that the mountain switchback the very steep hills. I thought you're going to puke. You look like it. And he did. You did not quit.

Chad: 52:10 So I did not lose my cookies.

Chad: 52:27 I knew you just weren't going to give so I hope everybody will join me on this journey and literally participate. Listen if there's things that we've talked about in this episode that have piqued your interest engage with us we have a Facebook page. Also if you enjoy what you're hearing. Go ahead and leave us a review on iTunes that helps us a lot. We have a message that we want to tell the world we want to help as many people as we possibly can. And I want to share my journey because I think people can find strength through my journey so that helps us do that. If you'll leave us a review if you'll share our podcast and please most importantly join us. Stick with the journey and we'll help each other out.

Speaker 2: 53:10 Thanks. Thank you. Appreciate it.