E03 Body Chemistry and Blood Marker Analysis

Who's ready to get into some body chemistry and blood marker analysis? Why it may not sound sexy, this episode will tell you why YOUR body is unique! Ever wonder the guy or girl next door is killing it with a specific diet or exercise program and you aren't seeing any results? It's all about the body chemistry. What works for one person, may not work for another.

Eric breaks down the importance of looking at your blood markers in determining the program that works best for your body makeup. Further, he goes over the customization that SHOULD exist in diet and exercise programs to help each individual achieve maximum results.

This is a foundational episode. That means that a lot of the podcast, as well as the program Eric coaches, rests upon a foundation that consists in part of body chemistry and blood marker analysis. You may want to refer back to this episode.


Chad: 00:00 They say a journey begins with a single step, or in my case, one less piece of Bread.

Chad: 00:10 My name is Chad and I am your test subject. I have sought out an expert in the field of nutrition and fitness, so I hoped it helped me feel better. They call him the biohacker, but I call him parent. I hope you'll join me on a path that leads you and I to optimal fitness as we live our lives in ketosis. This is the life in Ketosis podcast, biohackers guide to optimal body performance.  

Chad: 00:44 Hello everyone. My Name's Chad and this is episode three of my quest to achieving optimal body performance with the man that can get me there. The biohacker himself. Mr Erick Bischof. How are you? Eric,

Eric: 00:56 how about you Chad?

Chad: 00:56 Awesome. Hey, every episode I will be sharing my actual results. Both success and failures is Eric teaches me how to apply the principles of ketogenics and functional movement to look and feel fantastic and I can't wait for today because today we're going to talk about blood markers and I recently had my blood markers tested. We're going to talk a little bit about my results and what it means for my journey in Ketosis that I'm now finishing off my second week of being of ketogenics and, and workout, working with Eric, that kind of stuff. So I'm, I don't know my results yet. I don't know how to read the report. Eric's going to help me interpret it. It looks like a foreign language to me. So he's going to help me understand a little bit in this episode, we're also going to talk about his four major, uh, uh, blood markers that he looks for.

Eric: 01:44 I got excited about your blood bloodwork. Um, we got you started. Uh, it's not all of your blood panels that we're going to be doing. So we're going to take things one step at a time. OK. So I want to start out with the basics and then as we go through more symptoms and more questions and as I get to, as I'm coaching, you will expand our blood marker testing. But I'm excited to, to be able to offer that as I coach others. It's exciting to say, Hey, I can now take you in and get your blood markers done. And uh,

Chad: 02:19 so yeah, let's, let's lay a foundation first. So we're throwing out this term blood markers, but we haven't defined it. We haven't talked about what that even means and how that plays a role in what we're doing here. Right? So tell me what are blood markers?

Eric: 02:34 what we're doing. We're going to track blood markers so we have all these different blood tests that we can do. And the exciting thing about it now is we're able, due to technology and the Internet, we now individually can actually discover more about our blood tests before, when I was younger, you go once a year for a physical or maybe once every two years for a physical. The doctor will do a certain amount of things, test your blood and then you're on your way. OK, now due to technology, uh, got an exciting for especially people like me that is a bio hacker and I'm a self experimenter. We've talked about, um, self taught myself, learn, learn it basically. So I could now get into the blood and get to the root of a lot of people's issues and my own issues and starts there and then began to put this puzzle together because times we started at the wrong end of the puzzle. We need to go, in my opinion, we need to get to the base room. OK and see what the causal is from there and start our puzzle making like I'm doing with you.

Chad: 03:39 So how do you use them? Does that make sense how? I mean we, we, that's what blood markers are. That's, that's how we look at them. How are you going to use them as we work towards me being in Ketosis

Eric: 03:54 in getting the blood markers done since before. Now we can do. We don't need a doctor. We don't need a prescription to go do it. I can, like I did with you. How did I deal with you? I gave you the site that were linked to you got on there. I told you what tests do. You found it, you added it in your cart, you paid for it. Two hours later you get a requisition and off you go to the lab and we can't ask for anything easier than that, you know, for individually to start tracking ourselves. So at first I wanted to start out with your basic blood panel as far as your blood lipids. OK? Uh, you're, you're a young guy, you look pretty healthy. And so I thought, well, let's just start with blood lipids, [inaudible] OK, and your sugar. OK. So I kept a real basic, just the basic comprehensive blood tests and some people do the questions I asked you. Uh, other people would say, ah, we may go for the liver panel, we may go for the thyroid panel, we may go for the blood and the sugar panel. So it depends on the questions. It depends on my coaching, what path I really feel they need to go. And then we'll start from there.

Chad: 05:03 So the test will be customized based off of some questions that we answer in the beginning. You and I did were able to do that face to face. You've got my information and then you ordered the test. That was perfect for me, right.

Eric: 05:17 If you, I'd love to have it all the tests done, but that's not going to be possible. Or you always start out with it's, it's hard because sometimes it has to be within budget and so I have to end coaching and I have to kind of make a decision and if they talk to a doctor before they have previous medical issues that I go over, I got to say, what's the best decision here, where to go, let's just start with these markers and since they're going Ketogenic, then it gives me an idea where we should start

Chad: 05:46 and from my opinion or from my experience rather. Uh, the blood test was great. I mean I went to a lab, they were friendly, they were quick. I think I was literally in there for 10 minutes and, and uh, did you know, gave them some blood, gave him some urine and I was on my way and then we had the test results within a couple of days after that. So.

Eric: 06:05 And the neat part is, it's not that we're trying to cut physicians out of it because if you come back with something that's really out of range or whatever, I would say consult your physician. OK, I can give you some input, but there's something I would say consult your physician. It just saving you time from going to the doctor. Doctor says, well, I can't do anything until the blood work. And then you're charged a doctor's visit and then you're charged the test. Let's just speed up the time a little bit and get the test. Then you could take it to the doctor and say, Hey, look, these ranges, it's not good and go from there.

Chad: 06:40 So this is, this is important, right? Blood blood markers is very much one of our foundations for, for the system or for this lifestyle, right? Understanding our bodies, understanding of what's going on inside of them and actually having measurable, uh, markers, right? Things that we can actually look at and say, Oh, you've changed here. You've changed here. That sort of thing. And I should mention is we get started. Um, once again that this is, um, one of our five foundational episodes, right? So we are getting the most important and foundational things done in these first five episodes of the podcast. So that's a reference for anybody that either starts listening or wants to go back and learn the foundations. These are the podcasts that we're putting out the most important information, right? So blood markers is huge.

Eric: 07:33 It is huge and it's going to. Colin's coincide with nutritional biomarkers. So there's a million, that's another part of our plan. We've got to start somewhere and it's s questions. Your symptoms is where we started and I've got to go to the bloodwork.

Chad: 07:51 It's like the legs of a tripod or a table, right? They all work together. They all have to be there for the, for the thing to function. If you lose one, it's, it's dysfunctional, it doesn't, it doesn't work. And so, um, so that's great to get out there. So there's a million things we can test for, right? We're just gonna talk about some of your tops. So tell me what are some of your top biomarkers?

Eric: 08:14 the top biomarkers that I personally for myself and then for those that I've coached, I kind of just, cause it depends on their symptoms and depends on their conditions, what their, you know, they've got anxiety, they've got stressed and you know, they're cold or um, depression and different things, but most of the time the first thing that I'd want to start off with is ketones and blood sugar because we are changing to a new ketogenic nutritional program. So their, their foods are changing. OK. So obviously ketone testing is a must and that's something that I do probably once day and sometimes twice a day. But I always go to the extreme because I'm a hacker so I'm trying to hack the see where my Beta hydroxybutyrate is before workout, after workout at the quietest time of my day right before I go to bed. So I'm trying to track and figure out my millimoles and, and a lot of guys who've been in it for a long time.

Eric: 09:18 I've been in it for over a year now and uh, so I'm always trying to tweak my millimoles and sometimes it's in all and I have to say in coaching people, uh, everybody has a different millimole range like what we've done with you. My wife, uh, yesterday, she tested it a three point seven milimole I tested. It doesn't mean it's better, it just depends on how efficiently or how your body reacts to that Beta hydroxybutyrate molecule. But, but I am in it and I tell people this, I am in it for the Beta hydroxy butyrate molecule and there's a, in fact, I gave a seminar last week on the Beta hydroxy butyrate molecule. It's more than a energy substrate and I'm sure you'd like to know the brief points to that.

Chad: 10:06 I would love to. I would love to.

Eric: 10:08 We're w we have an issue here. It's always eric goes too deep. sometimes.

Chad: 10:13 Well before you, before you go there, before you go there and answer me this. So, um, earlier I referred to this and in our show notes we have this, uh, as biomarkers are we interchanging biomarkers in blood markers?

New Speaker: 10:29 the same biomarker,  you know, in, in your biochemistry of your body is markers of everything. So when we talked about nutritional markers, we call blood markers and we call it biohacking because we're trying to figure out that puzzle and what we can do to hack it to make it better, more efficient, ah, and, and just make you a better, healthier person.

Chad: 10:53 So those two terms, we can interchange nobody. I just want to make sure nobody's confused before that. So can we talk about some of my biomarkers? Sure. Again, um, so kind of take me through this. Like I said, this thing looks Greek to me. Tell us just what we're paying attention to on this report and how we're looking my second weekend.

Eric: 11:12 Right? And the only reason I had you go in because we didn't get you done beforehand. So I really wanted to make sure, uh, just due to time that let's, let's get something here on your blood lipids. OK. So basically this was to get into your fat and that's one of the, that's the second test that I take people through is, is there blood lipids as I, I need to know where their starting point is, their baseline. And then we, we, we do a pre-op likely through the program, you know, your, your total cholesterol was one 97 and in this two weeks. So we are picking up your fat consumption. OK? We've got you probably a hundred 3,250 grams a day. OK? So your question was going to raise because you bring in your fatty acid intake in higher, you're not quite, you're still a sheet of glass.

Eric: 12:03 It takes showing on those strips and your Beta hydroxybutyrate molecule is just kicking in the first week, week and a half. So where that's going to be a little higher for now until, until we actually get the ketosis really going, OK? Uh, your hgl sometimes some people will come in a little higher because when you raise your saturated fat intake, you're going to raise your hgl a, it's a 46 year. You are in the higher range. Uh, your triglycerides [inaudible] I think, uh, mine. The last time I checked nine because I've been in it for a year, um, my triglycerides were 38. So anytime you really bring your carb intake down, you're going to bring your triglycerides down. OK, so yours obviously coming down because you told me beforehand when you're one of your last tests, you're up over a hundred something on your triglycerides. So that's a good time that's coming down, which I knew it would.

Eric: 12:58 All right, your Ldl, you're right at the border range. Ah, that's what people talk about. Uh, your, your bad cholesterol, but it's really not a w w we'll go into that a little bit, but that's your ldl total of ldl cholesterol. And that was 1:35. So mine's actually a 215, which a doctor would say, oh my gosh. So I did have a dark shape. We need to put you on steroids. So I didn't know, gave him a half an hour lecture on sensing in cholesterol and everything else. I'm sure he loved that. And realize that your ratios are OK. Cause that's the simple things about when we do blood leadpages, we need to check a few ratios is total cholesterol, a eight, a divided by your hcl [inaudible] ratio and then the other one is triglyceride over html and those two markers right there. Fantastic indicators of a possible or future coronary vascular disease or coronary heart disease. And it was just things we look for. And those are simple markers to say hey, in and out there, in, in, in, in the industry, in the world. Then those are markers that people look at. Doctors do not a lot of doctors, but most of the liquid scientists and those guys will look at that as a marker and if it's good, good ratio. And then when you look really well.

Chad: 14:27 So tell me w for people, for somebody like me. Yeah, a average person. We're just trying, we're going for some body composition for feeling a bit better. We talked about in the last episode some of the things, some of my goals, right? Right. So given my goals, what are the, what are the most common blood test panels that you're going to have done? Um, for somebody like me,

Eric: 14:48 for you, um, I will always stick with your, your blood sugar because it's and your a1c and that your snapshot you have here of, of your glucose is like a snapshot of your blood was 77, you're low, which I expected that because it was in the morning and you're basically getting into ketosis. So you'll keep a lower blood sugar and your a1c, which I would have tested is basically a three month average of your, of your glucose. And so we'll close this binding to hemoglobin. And then during that, a red blood cell cycle, it usually takes about three months. Uh, it'll take the average of that and give you an A1c of how much sugar you have for that during that three months. And those are the, those, those are two that will make sure that we follow a. because we don't want the spikes, we don't want the highest. We'd want it really level. And that way we know you're not gonna have the inflammation or reactive oxygen species or free radicals. I'm not sure where it's exciting because the science is going more insulin to keep your insulin sensitivity up, insulin resistance down and like we've talked about the glucose continuous monitoring, there's going to be, I think the way that the future will, will, will just track our glucose all day long and if we keep it within that range then we're going to have less inflammation, less diseases, less reactive oxygen species and free radical damage. And we can just go on out.

Chad: 16:21 So, um, were you done pointing out the, some of the specific measurements on my tests?

Eric: 16:26 w w we did get some of your liver enzymes done and that's going to be another subject because we're not getting. Those aren't, that's not my top four. I have a lot, but I had to just kind of pick the top four a. and your [inaudible] look good. Potassium chloride, sodium and everything else checked out really well on you. So there's really no issues here, but if I did see high liver, we know there's some liver cell damage, but that could be due to exercising and training hard. And we can talk about a lot of different stuff, but we can spend on the basic what I wanted, um, is, is this, is all there.

Chad: 17:04 Great. So let's, let's dive into some of these markers and what they mean. Right? So let's, we're going to talk briefly about a few of them, but. So the first one you have listed here is ketones and blood sugar. What's, what are you looking for here? What's important about this

Eric: 17:22 on, on, on the challenge, like I talked to you about, um,

Eric: 17:26 it's the Beta hydroxy butyrate, which I really tried to stress the importance of that molecule to people because a lot of people I coach are just say, well yeah, it's a fatty acid and I'm going to use that as a field. OK? Instead of a glucose molecule. And I say, yeah, that's true, but there's so much more to that molecule than just an energy substrate because you're replacing that in your Mitochondria is instead glucose. You're taking in Beta hydroxy butyrate in your Mitochondria, your krebs cycle. You're like transport chain and ATP. OK? So keep it simple, but some of the other things that's neat about the Beta hydroxybutyrate molecule, just briefly go over it. Brain function, it was first started as an anti-seizure medicine for epilepsy. Uh, it Kinda reduces the excitation of glutamate, so that has been around 40 years, so that's an exciting about the, that molecule then it's actually used in brain development from the mother through the placenta.

Eric: 18:21 Ketones will travel through, helps with the cellular membrane construction of the infant anti-inflammatory, huge anti-inflammatory, a, it actually helps the ketones help block what we call the NF Kappa b pathways, which is what turns on your inflammation pathway, cytokines, interleukins and things like that. So it really brings down the inflammation, which is key. Now it's kind of a h stack inhibitors, which is in the cancer world in research. It's a helps all alter gene expression. So they're starting to get involved in cancer research is kind of looking at this Beta hydroxybutyrate molecule for, for cancer treatments, which is kind of exciting field. Uh, well, just, uh, listen and studying on one page and Dr [inaudible] says that they found out it does some things preventing radiation, so the nuclear fallout, dirty bomb or something like that, Beta Hydroxy butyrate supposed to somehow in the mitochondria protected.

Eric: 19:19 And one good thing is that we talked about mpd switch at the depth switch that's in the, um, in the Mitochondria and it actually prevents that, that switch from going on so it actually protects, like in the brain neuron and actually protects that cell. It doesn't let it die and we're always trying to protect our brain. Neurons are and keep them alive and function. And now top of Ge and longevity, reactive oxygen species. There's a lot of things. So it's at least like to stress it to all the people I coach. It's just not an energy substrate molecule. It does way more than that.

Chad: 19:53 Yeah. So ketones are powerhouse, right? Got a course. Matt, of course, we're measuring those. Those are, that's our goal in all of this. And uh, and so that's, it's going to tell us. So remind me, elevator pitch really quick, how doing our ketogenics both the Diet, exercise, that kind of stuff, how is that allowing our body to produce more ketones?

Eric: 20:16 What we're doing in the body? OK, your body's gonna. Basically you've been your energy substrates for glucose and you do have some fatty acids that uses energy to OK, but what we're doing to bring in ketosis that bringing the ketones, we've got to bring your insulin down and in a way to do that is to bring your carbs down your glucose.

Chad: 20:38 So we're starving our body of carbs, basically

Eric: 20:41 not starving our body. We're reducing reduction the carbs

Chad: 20:48 for the most part so that the body has to look for a different way to burn.

Eric: 20:52 It actually looks for the way that it's supposed to burn energy, OK? The way, and especially the, the way we were built to do is burn fatty acids as a fuel. Remember your glucose and most of you is probably three days of glycogen of energy, OK? If you had to exist on that by yourself, OK? So now what we're doing, we're saying, hey, let's bring. Let's bring down the insulin because once you have insulin in your blood, insulin's job is to say, like we talked about, for get the sugar out, get it to the Mitochondria, get it to burn as ATP or stored as glycogen in your muscles are in your liver, the brain has to take 20 percent of your glucose per day, uh, to keep functioning.

Eric: 21:28 So it's basically a glucose hog. And so you've been operating that way. I have for many, many, many years, and now we're actually giving the body the Mitochondria in the brain, in the muscle a different feel. We're actually saying, OK, since fatty acids can't cross the blood-brain barrier as a fuel, but if we bring our carbs down, our insulin drops instances says, OK, now fatty acids here you can come into the bloodstream. The liver, once it gets to the liver, it backs up, Eh, we're here again at the Kreb Cycle, the TCA cycle where you get so many acetyl groups, there's not enough Oxyo acetate to actually utilize it. So it says, Hey, I've got to convert it to ketones. It converts it. There's three ketones, acetone state, Beta hydroxy butyrate. It pushes it to the blood. That's the exciting part that the energy, now this can actually cross the blood-brain barrier be used in your Mitochondria, in the brain, in your muscle tissue and other organs, and that's the molecule of energy that you want to burn is a ketone and it's then you get into why it's so good because the reactive oxygen species less free radical.

Eric: 22:38 It actually creates more atp down the TCA, a electric transport chain. It actually, it's kind of scientific, but it broadens the span of the, an ADP versus the queue, so it actually creates a larger span and you're going to get more ATP production out of that. And that's what we're looking for. Or we're just trying to kind of create a span and you get less free radical damage. You get less reactive oxygen species. You don't produce those free radicals that way. Let's move on to blue blood lipids. Yes. So, um, talk to me about blood limits. What are they and why do we need to pay attention to them? Blood Lipids are our number one diseases that causes death as coronary heart disease for women and men. All right? So basically I'm. All we're doing is trying to say, Hey, what can I do to prevent cardiovascular disease?

Eric: 23:33 Atherosclerosis. OK, plaque. All right. And we do that through our blood lipids. OK? And when we get into the bud liposomes, many, you know, w don't go too deep, but we have our HCL, which we talked about, right? We have our Ldl, OK, then we have something we call our Ldl particle count, OK? And we have an LPA, um, protocol. But what we're trying to do in bottom line make, make a show or just we're trying to make sure we can figure a way for you and for myself and people I coach is to increase the activity of their ldl receptor in the liver. That's, that's the key right there. Because we need cholesterol is great. Cholesterol is Mr Michael W, we have to have cholesterol. We need in our cell membranes. We create hormones by it. And without Catia we die, but we need to control.

Eric: 24:27 Bottom line is that ldl particle that we talked about, they call it the bad particle. When it gets left in your bloodstream and it just keeps circulating in, the LDL receptors aren't taking out. The longer it stays in there, the smaller gets OK, we dropped the hgl cholesterol down into the LDL particle, which it reverses and gives it back. It's triglycerides. It gets smaller, more dense, and sooner or later it's long enough in there. That little particle when oxidizes, that's what gets into your artery behind that endothelial cell and barges. It's way in. It's on pushing toward the outside of the vessel them yet OK? Then the inflammation kicks in. You get a phone sale, you start creating plaques, and that's all we're trying to do, Chad, is stop that ldl particle from hanging around in your bloodstream, getting smaller and smaller and oxidizing because there's what we call polyunsaturated fats in the phospholipid of that membrane of the cell, and when that oxidizes, then that's where the.

Chad: 25:38 So let me, let me make sure I'm understanding you here. So cholesterol becomes dangerous when our bodies can no longer absorb it or utilize it to convert it into something.

Eric: 25:48 The longer it stays in that ldl particle, OK, the smaller it gets and that's what it becomes a problem. So we want those ldl receptors to be activated to take that cluster out, use it as bile or using another, uh, you know, uh, other sources, but we just don't want to keep it circulating on the LDL particle. And what allows it to be able to use it. What,

Chad: 26:13 how, how is it used, how does, how's that? Cholesterol will utilize. It

Eric: 26:16 goes through the bloodstream and through the sales, the sales will take up that cholesterol because it needs it in the cell membrane. It needs you for a functioning communication. It'll go to the adrenal glands. They don't say, hey testes, you know, let's make some testosterone. All right? Not a lot of it, but a big portion of it, a portion of the desk, while they're there to make steroids. So cholesterol is, I mean, it keeps your cell. My man's a flexible show. There's communication there that don't become hard or brittle cholesterol without cholesterol. You Die. So we need it, but we don't need it to keep going around and getting smaller and smaller.

Chad: 26:53 Yeah. So without cholesterol we die. Yep. But if our buddy doesn't know how to use cholesterol, we also die, it's a fine line, Eric. Yeah.

Eric: 27:05 Controlled cholesterol, free cholesterol. Your liver. It has to make decision and say, ah, turn the LDL receptors on. I need more cholesterol. Free cholesterol. And, and that's why, you know, staten's Dan said, hey, let her do not make any cholesterol. OK? So then the liver will actually have to get more out of the blood. LDL receptors turn on, bring it from the blood. So great is there's a great science behind it really is. And they're getting better and better because now on your blood test, I can actually send you out now and say, OK, ldl particle at the LDL cholesterol, we've always known as bad, but we do now know that I have a high count. I have a hundred 50 of ldl. A doctor would put me on stats, but he, he doesn't know. He doesn't test the sizes on that ldl. You could have large, fluffy, small, dense, OK, so they're all its particles. So if they're large and fluffy, then they're not harmful at all. They're actually good. But if they're the small, dense one, then I have an issue I got to take care of my ldl receptors, have got to get more activated and that can be a thyroid issue. Inflammation issue, an insulin issue, and some free cholesterol issue within the liver.

Chad: 28:20 OK, so your deep sea diving right now, let's, let's bring it back into the, into the wading pool. So, um, OK. So here we go. Inflammation markers. Yes. What is this and what are we looking at? For

Eric: 28:31 what? It's very simple actually. It's, it's a test. Anytime you have an acute or chronic inflammation in your body, a cute you just cut yourself until the inflammatory markers are turned on to go take care of that situation where you can have chronic lyme arthritis or Z, I autoimmune diseases, thyroid, a Hashimoto's, whatever. So you can have chronic inflammation. So what we want to test for is it's called a high sensitivity c-reactive protein test, very simple tests, they take it and you, they'll give you a range and we want you to below one and that'll let you know what kind of inflammation is going on in your body. Because if you have inflammation, cute [inaudible], you got your sickness or something like that, then you know your c-reactive protein was going to be high. But if you feel really good and you feel healthy, basically I'll send you got a high c reactive protein, then you got inflammation going on somewhere in your body. So now we've got to start, go through symptoms. We've got to start putting that puzzle together to figure out what's going on. Cancer will raise your c-reactive protein. There's a lot of things you know, disease wise, you'll get an increase in your, in your seat. See, we have two protein.

Chad: 29:42 Great. So literally tests, very good test to get done. Next is liver function. What is it? What are we looking for? We're going to skip liver today because Eh,

Eric: 29:51 go really long on that. But since I coached a lot of people, uh, some of the biggest issues that are coming, I think from them is thyroid.

Chad: 30:01 OK. So let's, let's, let's move to the thyroid. Thyroid hormones. What is that and uh, and what are we looking for when we, when we have these panels done. Hypothyroidism

Eric: 30:12 is what I ended up dealing with the most hyper. Not a lot of, but more hypo and Hashimoto's. And you're familiar, I'm sure you're familiar with those that are out there. Hashimoto's is it? Nope. Nope, not at all. Right. That's an Adam. I don't immune disease of the thyroid and it's getting more popular in a bad way, but it's not letting the thyroid the job by making thyroid hormones. OK. And about 20, you say about 25 percent have some dysfunctional thyroid of the people out there and Hashimoto's. And only about three to five percent are diagnosed in. So I'm dealing with people and coaching, have symptoms and they come to me. They're overweight, they're cognitive is really slow and they complain. They can't remember things. You'd have to take notes all the time. They have anxiety, their depression, fatigue. If they're cold, sometimes they don't know why they're called hair gets brittle nails.

Eric: 31:13 There's a lot of symptoms of it, but it causes a lot of habit because the room is your master gland. I mean it, it's, it's everything. And so due to the coaching, I've got to start somewhere with some people and it's inspiring, right? And a lot of the thyroid issues are caused by stress. I mean, just severe stress. People that are could be psychological stress, physical stress, emotional stress, doesn't matter. Your body says, Hey, stresses stress. I'm going to treat it a certain way and the body goes into biochemistry to, to, to treat that stress. So the thyroid, I mean, we go, it's a, Eh, it controls the energy you make. It's, it's a, it's metallic metabolism. It's, it's, it's everything.

Chad: 32:02 Now tell me, how does ketogenics improve thyroid?

Eric: 32:07 It actually gets your nutritional imbalance. OK? Because everything is, is nutrient oriented. OK? So we're trying to get you the best nutrient dense type of eating. Um, was he basically.

Chad: 32:22 So if I understand correctly, are probably mostly our diet, but a little bit of our, our our physical exercise and that kind of stuff are not allowing our thyroid to work optimally. Right? But the ketogenics allows that thyroid to realign with the minerals and nutrients and all that good stuff.

Eric: 32:42 There is a dialectic process there that we've got to dial them in because if you're a real stressful person, you've got a lot of. We got to do things to alleviate a lot of the outside sources. Most people are living in pretty stressful life now and when they're feeling fatigued or tired of their brain is foggy. Let's go look at your thyroid. So let's go to the base. Go there, but let me see your, your thyroid hormones from the Tsh to the t for the free t4 free t3. Reverse T3 and you're a antibodies. Now I can see the picture. Say, oh my goodness, you're not converting to t3. Reverse T3 is really high. It's putting the brakes on. No wonder you feel this way because that thyroid, you're not operating properly and the cells aren't getting the T3. I, I really love the fight, right? I think I've seen a lot of people really, they're overweight because of fibroid. They're killing themselves and don't have willpower. I'm weak in and they're beating themselves up and it's not that issue. It's the issue of thyroid.

Chad: 33:46 That's a great point to bring out. I mean, uh, people are sometimes struggling with their, with their physique or, or their, their body structure because of something chemically that's happening in their body. Exactly that, unless they knew that and had a solution, they can't. So that's, uh, that's, I think that's a great thing for our audience to understand is that ketogenics and these types of blood panels can help us understand how your body is operating and utilizing the nutrients and things that it needs to so that you can maintain this stuff.

Eric: 34:16 We worked so hard to not just take snapshots where we want to make a video. OK? Cause I've got to start somewhere and it's, I got to make this video all the way through. Not just snapshot here. Snapshot here for two months was need to follow you. OK? We need tracking. And that's why I'm excited. I'm 61 years old and I wish all this stuff was out when I was your age because I remember my first bio hacking experience was in the late eighties. I was in my thirties. All of a sudden heart monitors came out. We can actually wear a heart monitor while you're working out and training or whatever and she your heart rate.

Chad: 34:55 So I gave a little teaser at the end of the last episode and I wanted to kind of throw these out, these questions that I'm getting from people out to you and see what your, your answer is. Um, so the first one that I'm getting all the time, well, all the time that I've gone from a couple of different people is, isn't all of that fat terrible for your heart?

Eric: 35:16 No. Now you're really going to take me deep here. I don't know. Don't go deep. The answer. The newest graduated fat. OK, there's good fat and you don't want to overdo anything. Remember what I've always said a little bit as good. Maybe a little bit more is better, but sure much is bad. And the saturated fat hypothesis that 40 years ago it's crumbling, just like cholesterol has crumbled and they're beginning to know it's not the saturated fat get. The only reason I say saturated fat is bad because it raises your cholesterol. OK? Now we have to say, well, why? What? What is wrong with high cholesterol?

Chad: 35:56 How's your body

Eric: 36:00 to your endogenous cholesterol? You excrete most of it. It's conjugated and gone, and now they're so saturated fat. If you have a polymorphism like a, a gay man that. Oh, I forgot the Phage p par game. I think it is an fto. If you have that polymorphisms or snip, then I would tell you saturated fat, we're going to keep it low. We're going to bring in your models. Might bring in some polly. I'm not, I don't like polyunsaturated fat. Just the healthy ones like the Omega three and a little bit Omega six. Um, but that I would make some changes. There is a certain amount of percentage of people who have that polymorphism. You do not want to put them on a ketogenic diet.

Chad: 36:40 So let me make sure I. let me kind of wrap this up. What I think you're saying is that no, it is not. It is not unhealthy for your heart. If you have the whole picture for you, you're using complete ketogenics with physical exercise and you're testing and all of that kind of stuff. Then didn't. It didn't. It works great because we know your body's using it the way it's supposed to.

Eric: 37:03 The only thing reason is they say bad for your heart. What? What? What's going to explode your. What's going to your heart? It's the cholesterol that wants to sneak down. Get on your artery wall, embed itself through that endothelial cell, getting inside out. You're not in the aluminum now area actually pushing out towards the wall of the artery starts. It's plaque formation, but that's not from saturated fat. It's the cholesterol. You're Y, you're. You're getting rid of those ldl particles as you know. That's the goal. All right? It's that little cluster of sterile deposit.

Chad: 37:35 So I'll throw one more at you. I've got more, but I like this one too and I can only imagine what you're. What you're answering is this. So I actually have, um, some other people around me that are, are experimenting with keto, Quote Unquote, I'm giving air quotes with my fingers here and most of them are, are taking some sort of supplement or some sort of shake that is promising. Hey, we can get you into ketosis with none of the work. We can get you into ketosis in a very short amount of time. Um, Eh, sometimes they're saying 12 hours, sometimes they're saying eight hours. You can get into ketosis just by drinking the shake. Here I am, Eric. I'm exercising like crazy. I'm watching my diet like crazy to get into ketosis. What's the difference?

Eric: 38:25 All right, now we're getting into what we call the endogenous ketones versus exogenous. OK. Um, there's two scientists out there. We had the camp of Ketone esters and we have the camp of ketone salts. OK? Both of them are there to give you Beta hydroxy butyrate molecule. OK? Those are, um, exoticness ketones. OK? You're taking them in your body to produce a ketone. They do produce Beta hydroxy butyrate. OK. But the one science is Dr. Veech. Then you have the other science, Patrick Arnold and dom. I'm Dominic D'agostino, all brilliant, brilliant guys, but Dr Veech, he's been around for 47 years. He was trained by Sir Han's crab, who created the Kreb cycle when the greatest biochemist alive. He trained under him. He is in the esters camp. OK. Which is ketone esters, one-three butane dial. The others are ketone salts like sodium, potassium salts, chat.

Eric: 39:29 To be honest, I've studied both of them. I looked at their patents, a don, a dominant caste patents. Veatch has patents. They're creating products now for the salts. But the problem with the esters with Dr Veech is too expensive. All right. And there's guys out there like Ben Greenfield, there's a Dave aspray, I think Tim Ferriss. There's guys out there who've tried that esters and wow. I mean it's nasty tasting. They all say it tastes like jeff diesel fuel. But anyway, it, if I could get my hands on, I'd love to try it because it is straight Beta hydroxybutyrate. Alright. The ketone salts, I'll be honest, I, I was against them, but I studied, uh, Dominic's papers and Patrick on roads. And so on Wednesday I did my first ketone salts. I tested my, my Beta hydroxy butyrate before was point eight. I drank my fluid, had nothing else, no other fats.

Eric: 40:27 I drank it and it's a, it's keto, so I'll give him a plug. Um, but anyway, it's ketone salts, a one point six salts in it. They don't give you the breakdown of how much Beta hydroxy butyrate or emc tea powder it is, which I would like to know, but I, I took it and it actually went through. I actually increased my ketones from a point eight to a one point three a. and I did my, my knee bow run. I went three miles up, three miles down. And then I did a fast one mile trail, run up a really steep pipeline they call it. And I have to say it was good. I really had some energy and I was surprised and it wasn't placebo because I was actually rooting against it anyway, if I'm not against it. But we're trying to keep you indigenous to say, Hey, let's do this through a ketogenetic diet and create your own ketones, which I will use a Ketone, I'd love an Ester, but I'll use the ketone salts for racing.

Eric: 41:32 OK. I've never used them in a race but had mct oil in my last iron man, so I will engage those for my racing. But uh, I wanted to try these out because I have a lot of people asking me just like you. And I said, wow, I can't talk about it unless I experiment with it and I'm experimenting with them and um, I'll keep the podcasters, uh, updated on it and to keep you updated. But let's, let's, let's working on for a while. My wife yesterday, I had 3.7 mml. She doesn't need any. Yeah, exactly. Great towns. But no, I'm, I, I studied all those patents and I think it's kind of an exciting field and it really is.

Chad: 42:13 Well this has been fascinating. A lot of it's deep and, and I apologize as people. No, it's fine. As long as people listen more, these things will start to sink. And that's one thing that you say all the time is the more I say it, the more it'll sink in and it's actually starting to sink in for me, some of the things, right, not all of it. So, um, anyway, I, I just want to thank you. I want to thank Eric for biohacking with us today and I want to thank you for joining us on this quest for optimal fitness. If you're ready to begin your own journey and live your life and Ketosis, be sure to check out biofitcoaching.com or biofit coaching on facebook where they're answering questions. It's a community and it's a great place to start. So until next time, stay keto!

Speaker 2: 42:55 Yeah.