E06 The Magical T - All about Testosterone

Who doesn't want to talk about the T? In this episode, Eric talks about the importance of testosterone. If you've ever wondered (and why wouldn't you) if Eric or our host as had any issues with low T levels, prepare to find out. In addition to that fun bit of useless knowledge, Eric does cover some much more important and relevant questions, such as:

What role does testosterone play in our bodies?

What affects our T levels?

What are some symptoms of low T levels?

Is there such a thing as too much testosterone?

What are the problems with supplements (both legal and illegal) that some people take today?

And a whole lot more!

Join us for some good testosterone talk, and don't worry ladies, Eric will cover estrogen as well in a future episode!

Transcript:

Chad: 00:00 They say a journey begins in a single step, or in my case, one less piece of bread. Hello,

Chad: 00:11 my name is Chad and I am your test subject. I have sought out an expert in the field of nutrition and fitness. I hoped would help me feel better. They call him the biohacker, but I call him Paris. I hope you'll join me on a path to optimal fitness as we live our lives in ketosis. This is the life in Ketosis podcast, a biohackers guide to optimal body performance.

Chad: 00:45 Hello everyone. My name is Chad and this is episode six of my quest to achieving optimal body performance with the man that can get me there, the biohacker himself. Mr Eric Bischof every episode. I will be sharing my actual results, both successes and failures as Eric teaches me how to apply the principles of ketogenics, and functional movement to look and feel fantastic. The first five episodes of this podcast or our foundational episodes, they go over foundational principles. So if you're listening to this episode, you might want to hit stop and go back and start from the beginning. Those five episodes are very, uh, essential and understanding what we're going to talk about from here on out. So today we're talking about testosterone, which a, it sounds great. I mean, who doesn't want to talk about testosterone, right? So I want to, um, want to just thank you for being here, Eric, and, and preparing everything that we have to talk about today. I've got lots of great questions for you, but how's it going? Good, good. Happy to be here and happy to talk about this subject. I guess. So why, why? I have to ask this question a, why are we jumping into testosterone?

Eric: 01:57 Well, we're getting into the hormones now. OK. And when we're looking for root causes and get down to the baseline of stuff, especially in working out and functioning day to day. Uh, and I moved in the business and coaching of lot, we always get down to this issue about the t, the testosterone, and a lot of the pathways that people have issues with, especially guys that I can bring it to the t to testosterone. So I think it's good to get it out, get it started. Get people a basic understanding of it and then we'll get into lots of other hormones. But I think this one, since you, you're a guy will say talking about estrogen and we're going to talk about testosterone because. OK, perfect. And then we'll, we'll get into estrogen and other time.

Chad: 02:44 Yeah. So that was my next. That was my next off the cuff question. Not necessarily in the, in the stuff that we've prepared for today, but is this an episode that can have some benefit for our female listeners as well as our masters testosterone? Isn't it

Eric: 02:59 important for females? And uh, they make it a, they actually, uh, make it, um, their testosterone is converted into estrogen. OK. So obviously I work in a gym atmosphere and I train a lot of people and a lot of women nowadays are going for this shredded look we call it. And to get that you do need some testosterone and a lot of women are, are unhappy because they're not getting the results like guys do because we have the tea and they don't. And so I have to work with their programs and a lot of their training so it, it can apply and I'll make some references to it, but it's kind of disappointing because women, uh, they work harder than the guys but they don't get the results if the guys do. And that's mainly because of testosterone. It's interesting. Called it the t a couple of times. Do we call estrogen estrogen the. No, no, it's always low t high T. I mean everybody talks about t so that we don't, we don't use the word easy, but.

Chad: 04:05 Well that's, I mean that's perfectly, I mean this, this great place to start talking about what is testosterone you? How does it work? What you know all the night. How does it interact with our body?

Eric: 04:15 Well, we, we've got to define it. It's a steroid hormones and there's basically two classes of steroid hormones. We have the corticosteroids and we have sex steroids. So obviously testosterone. We were talking about a sex steroid and they are produced from the adrenal gland and the testes and the ovaries. And so that testosterone is produced from the testes. And some from the adrenal glands, very little, and then from ovaries for women, because remember I said that the testosterone is converted into estrogen and then from the adrenal glands, especially from old guys like me, I'm 61. And what happens when you get older, Chad will happen. Your testes don't produce testosterone that it's supposed to.

Eric: 05:02 So now it relies on your adrenal glands to pick up the slack. It's not going to happen to me by tonight, but she, I don't know if that's happened, but they do say when you get up to the 50 sixties, your adrenal glands are going to take over your tests. He just quite aren't producing the, uh, testosterone. But there is five types of steroid hormones real quick. We've got testosterone, estrogen, progesterone, a progesterone, and cortisol and aldosterone. So those are your five steroid hormones. And we're going to be talking about testosterone obviously. And basically how does it work? We've got to start in the brain, OK? And we're going to go to the hypothalamus and real quick, that sends a signal that's called the gonadotrophin releasing hormone. And then that stimulates the pituitary gland to release two critical hormones. That's your l, h, luteinizing hormone, and follicle stimulating hormone, fs.

Eric: 05:55 Each and you have kids. So what the Fh does it right to the testes. It produces and stimulates sperm growth. OK? Then the lodge hits the testes and it produces testosterone. So those are two critical ones. And then there's a feedback pathway, obviously, because the testes are what you're producing your testosterone in. OK? So l h is, is causing that and that's coming to pituitary. But if you're not producing enough, there's a pathway going back. So if you don't have enough, it goes back to the pituitary gland says, Hey, give me more law or follow-up. Uh, stimulate hormone shoots it back, increases that increases your testosterone. If you're making too much, which you might be, I don't know, it'll feed back. Say, Hey, reduce it. Reduce your testosterone. So there is always a feedback, negative feedback method, you know, then to always bring wholemeal status, status, status, we want to be the right ratio all the time.

Chad: 06:50 So this may be jumping the gun and maybe this will come in and just a little bit later, but in layman's terms and in what I can understand or what I would notice day to day, what does testosterone do for me? I understand like, uh, I just think it's important to get that stuff right out because I want to understand why we're talking about this?

Eric: 07:11 and I have what it does most concerned in the gym that I have as most people are guys, especially in girls because they want the aesthetic, they want the muscle growth. And so you basically all your life applied testosterone probably to muscle growth. I mean build muscle, regenerate tissue, but intercourse libido because you know, I hear that a lot in the gym. There's guys saying, Hey, I don't know what's wrong with me and my libido's really low. Well obviously it's the t.

Eric: 07:41 Then we always thought, well you have low t and that's what we use it first thing associated with his libido. And so were you. Sorry to interrupt, but will you notice if you feel like if you do have low t you and you're noticing that in your sex drive where you most likely notice it in your muscle growth as well? Yes. Yes. And, and so what we'll do when you got a good testosterone amount, OK, you're going to have good muscle growth. Most important, it effects the heart cardiovascular disease, your brain anti aging, anti-inflammatory motivation. You're going to have drive, but when you have good tea, you're going to have a lot of drive and you have a lot of motivation. Um, you actually get more insulin sensitivity. You going to drive more glucose into yourselves and storm or glycogen protein delivery. Here we go, protein delivery and protein synthesis. So you're going to build muscle tissue to regenerate and you're gonna you're going to recover better. So there is, and you're gonna produce more suburb. OK? So if your testosterone, that's the benefit of it. And more important, I'm getting into the heart, into the brain portion for Alzheimer's and cardiovascular disease. It's, you know, you got, you got androgen receptors there. They didn't want to take into testosterone and big benefit. The gross. Great. And how does it. I,

Chad: 08:56 I know how everything comes back to the Mitochondria so I can get through this podcast without talking about the Mitochondria. So talk to me, tell me what, what, how does testosterone interacts with the Mitochondria? What role does it play in  it?

Eric: 09:12 In. And I'm excited to always talk about the Mitochondria is, you know, remember that the tissues were dealing with the adrenals, the testes and the ovaries, OK? They all require cholesterol in there too, in the membranes. OK? So you're going to make, it's going to produce membranes, OK? Biogenesis of it. And you're going to have cholesterol there to make it more fluid, more flexible cell signaling. We've talked about this. A cell communication is coming through a cholesterol on the membrane, but what is neat about it is it's cholesterol that produces steroid hormones. It's gotTa. Start with cholesterol. That's the maker of it. OK? So now we jump to the Mitochondria. All right? So what we've talked about before, this is where cholesterol begins. Remember we talked about in the last episode, we've got four pathways that delivering cholesterol into the cell. Then when we talked about was the ldl low density Lipoprotein, OK?

Eric: 10:07 That's a carrier of cholesterol. Also, fat soluble vitamins, a fat soluble vitamins. Triglycerides except gets to the cell. All right, we have the LDL receptor. Takes it in. Now we're inside the cell, intra cellular cholesterol. So what it does through enzymes and proteins, it moves to the outer membrane of the Mitochondria. Here we go. We're going to the Mitochondria. Now, then there's protein and enzymes that take her to the inner membrane. And in the inner membrane, that's, that's where it's what we call a, the actual. It's a pregnenolone is being produced there in the inner membrane. OK? So that's the precursor that begins. It starts out with progesterone, then Dah, Dah. Then testosterone and estrogen, OK? So that's the word. It's all starts is right in the Mitochondria, and that's in the cell membrane. That's in the inner membrane. And like I said before, now you know why Mitochondria?

Eric: 11:07 So important. Think about it. You always hear about low cholesterol diets and statens OK? Bring down the cluster, but here we go. We're in the Mitochondria. If your mitochondria is not functioning or it's not efficient, then guess what? The first thing you have is those reactive oxygen species and you also have free radicals. What does it damage? It shoots out and damage to the membrane. OK? And in that membrane where you're producing your steroid hormones, OK? And the derivative is testosterone. That's how important it is. And that's why I say Mitochondria is the root of everything. You know, I teach it, I preach it, I try to live it and I. it's that important.

Chad: 11:48 Yeah, it. Let me make sure I understand correctly. If that process in the Mitochondria   is not operating correctly and getting the cholesterol that it needs, then it's not producing the testosterone that your, that your writing needs.

Eric: 12:02 Pregnant alone is first and that's the thing it makes. And then that's a precursor to your testosterone, but for you to be able to get testosterone happen and it's gotta be officially done because that question was not there. And the inner membrane, guess what? It's not going to make the steroids. So I get a lot of guys that are having issues with t OK and I talked to him about the Mitochondria, which we'll talk about later in this episode is went back to keto again because you know what chemo does to your Mitochondria.

Chad: 12:33 So you've mentioned a couple times low t or low testosterone. What does that mean and how are you discovering? What are the things that go along with having low testosterone?

Eric: 12:46 At first there's two types of testosterone in your blood. OK? We have what we call the bound form. OK, that's your total t. OK. Then we have the other that is called the free tea. That's the available. Have you heard of those terms or no? No, no, no. So we have one bound and then we have it free. So what, what balance it is, what they call the sex hormone binding globulin. And what that does that balance up your testosterone. OK. Your liver produces that sex hormone binding globulin. And so what it does, it's actually as a carrier for your tea to get through the blood. OK? But a lot of it stays bound and fits bound. It doesn't mean it's free. OK, so what works is the free tea is what we're looking for. So when I say low t, I'm not talking about bounty, OK, because your biggest portion is bound, but it's carrying it to release it when you need it or as necessary.

Eric: 13:42 But what happens? A lot of people, it stays bound and it doesn't go to free tea where that's the bio available portion that gets into the cell. And so we've talked about this androgen receptors. Remember they're on all the sales to receive that free tea. So when that free tea and gets to the blood, it's released, it's not bound anymore. Then it hits the androgen receptor. Now goes into the cell, goes into the nucleus, goes into the DNA, DNA expression, protein synthesis and everything is supposed to do. That's where it goes. And so that's why we're where we're concerned about is because we want as much free tea as we can and as I aged like me, your liver hasn't quite productive and it ends up making more of that sex hormone binding globulin which binds up more of my free tea. So I am going to be short on teeth but can be utilized, right, can be utilized now it's not available.

Chad: 14:37 So what? What would I notice in daily life if I was experiencing low t?

Eric: 14:43 Well first one of the the, the and most of the men that I deal with, a lot of it is versus libido. They've got low libido, they have drive, they have no energy. They get a little brain fog, cognitive, OK, there's issues with that and muscle growth and recovery as big issue. You might gain fat, real easy hair loss. He started losing hair on your legs, your arms because you need to to keep that going back. That would be nice to go and low t if I could, if I can guarantee you it would be nice, but that's actually one of them that in that's in. Especially with muscle growth, I have to really work on that one with people and I have to really get into the different pathways because genetically some guys just have a hard time building muscle and they always think it's low t and I'm like, get your act. Which we'll talk about that and we'll go from there, but don't always blame it on testosterone because I hate to say there is some genetic issues out there that some guys can really put on the muscle. They have, you know, they have good mtor pathway. Igf I'm a factor one and these are all my muscle growth and some guys don't. Just

Chad: 15:58 what does that look like in, in, in real life. I mean if, if you're, how do you notice that you're having issues growing muscle. Is it a, is it just purely you're not able to lift more, you're not able to do more reps or is it look or is it a bit of

Eric: 16:15 both and, and I'm surprised at my age that I can actually, when I go into race weight, I had all drop every season. I want to go down 10, 11 pounds and my wife would always stay up, you know, basically you're losing all your muscle based to look like crap because it's true. My face gets real shallow. I'm in race mode. I mean, I in weight equals power if you into racing and on the bike, on the run and everything. And I always tell her this and I say, you know, honey, I, I may look like crap, but I'm fast and that's the only way come back. But in, in I in keto sensitive in two years, I have taken off that 10, 12 pounds and she honestly says, I don't see you've lost any muscle at all and I don't look like that crap and lethargic, look and actually feel really good.

Eric: 17:06 But I've been able to put it all back on every, every season, which I don't know why or how. And um, and that's a big thing you'll see. You'll know your muscle growth, you know, you'll see that and you'll see if your strength is going up. But if you're, if you have a good libido and you're, you're not depressed and you've got motivation and your cognitive and all the other things, then we've got to start looking at your blood markers and try to say, hey, maybe there's an issue here or over here, why you're not getting the growth. But all guys, when we get into and at my age, I really don't need to put on muscle, there's no use for it because to be honest, I'm at that critical where, you know, the mtor pathway to where in the igf those are muscle builders and those are the pathway to really protein synthesizer. But if I have other issues like cancer, do I really want to promote that growth because it will promote cancer. So I'm at that where I've done a balance it to hey, you're young, you can pour it on a little bit, but when you get my age it's not worth the risk. And I think we'll have a podcast on the mtor pathway. It's that important.

Chad: 18:13 Yeah. So everything we talk about is built on three pillars, functional movement, ketogenics and science based results. And so this plays obviously really heavily, heavily in the science based results. Um, we're, we're also going to bring it back to blood markers, which we've done an entire episode on in our foundational episodes. But what are you looking for in the blood markers for tea? And where should I mean? Where should levels be at? How can people get this checked? All of that kind of stuff.

Eric: 18:44 The first thing you know when, when, when I work with people on their blood markers are the basic is to go in and get your, your, your hormones checked as far as your testosterone. So we have the l member that looked nice in hormone cause that's where it starts, pituitary gland and the follicle stimulating hormone, [inaudible], fs, h, ah, those to have those checks. Then downstream down because that's going to send the signal to the test. Asian to produce testosterone. So now I want to check out your free T. OK? And I want to check out your total t and doctors don't do it. Is that sex hormone binding globulin. I want that test too because you may have a lot of that being produced and bind binding up that free tea where now you're in a low t situation because they're not being utilized. So we need to know that factor. And then I'll jump into the adrenals to get your cortisol check because that's a big deterrent to your test. Testosterone.

Chad: 19:40 Yup. Saying, have you personally in your, in your journey, I know you do a lot of self testing and you're obviously constantly monitoring your biomarkers, that kind of stuff. Um, have you faced any of this? I mean, have you had issues with tea or, or what's your experience been?

Eric: 19:58 Um, I'm actually going knock on the table, which I've been really fortunate. I've never. And I get my paycheck and my bounty. I, I, Ge, I get it checked and I've always been at my age or even better. OK. In fact, when I did that five days on just water and sodium, that was it. I actually doubled my testosterone and intermittent fasting and calorie restriction up to a certain point will increase your testosterone. And I went from a 60, a 55 year old age group to 60 whatever down to the 25 year old age group on my testosterone. So I've been really fortunate, but I've been around it so much in the past on those who manipulate their testosterone, which we'll talk exogenous, a testosterone and so I've had a lot of experience with guys. I'm an old bodybuilder from the seventies and eighties and it was just steroid use was, was huge and the results were, were, were, were unbelievable young guys.

Eric: 21:01 And so I've been around it and I'm constantly, I don't hack my own, like we talked about. Um, if I needed to then I start playing with supplements to biohack a little bit to get enough growth and recovery. I don't want to grow. I can still build muscle now for some reason. I don't know why, but I don't want to add any more to it because of the health issues. It's not worth it for me. But for you then I would, I would tweak you and I would, I would work with you on supplements and things like that with people that you coach. How often do you have them testing their t? A anytime. Usually from the get go I, I, if they're really interesting, if they're really interested in, in endurance, getting stronger, not just cardio, not just muscle, OK, I'll say, hey, let, let anther, having, if they have some issues that they're talking about, some of the symptoms because I'll go off the symptoms and let's, let's go get this panel done.

Eric: 21:54 And it's, it's cheap and it does give me a baseline to start with. And I say, Oh, we do have, you know, your free t3 is really low, but your sex hormone binding globulin is really high, so we have an issue there that it's been bound and then we'll go from there.

Chad: 22:09 That was great. So we've talked about low t, is there such thing as high it can you have too much of a, of a concentration of testosterone?

Eric: 22:16 Yes. Yes. And most people naturally they don't get. I've never caught him constantly where they're really high. I mean they get high but they're not having any, any, any negative effects from it. But then again, uh, we want to get the ratios right. More important. Anything in hormones is getting the ratio a little bit isn't enough but too much is too much and everybody goes for that.

Eric: 22:43 What they want more is better and like say no more is not always better. And so what happens if you get too much and if you're doing exoticness in supplementation and I don't know if you're just taking stops that, you know, legal stops, you know that you might get a little too high or you're taking saw arms or you're a lot of guys today they hit, I think it's 35. Don't quote my. I already said it, but I think if you get to that point and you think you have low t doctors can prescribe and get you on steroids and they can actually prescribe to you and you know, there's creams and there's pills that are shots. And I think the scary part is if you get exhausted and you go to high and then we have an issue to where your body's homeostasis always trying.

Eric: 23:27 Right? So if you get too much, all of a sudden the brain says, Hey, we've got all this testosterone coming in, sends a signal l h a follicle steaming a home and said, hey, shut her down so we're not sending it to the testes. That testes doesn't make you know. So that's the other way it will control it that way to it balanced. And the other way it'll convert it, the pathway it will actually convert that to t to bring it down. And what it converts it to is to Dah di Di Hydro testosterone. And that's, that's a tough, that's a steroid. But you have. You ever heard of the testosterone will convert to that. You have too much in a little bit is OK, but that's the more aggressive testosterone. And so if you get too much [inaudible], a guys will start to get male pattern baldness a, they'll gain some fat, they'll gain acne.

Eric: 24:19 I don't know if you've been around guys that are doing this kind of stuff. They get acne, girls that are getting too much. It converts to Adhd that have Pcos, polycystic ovarian syndrome, or they'll. They start to get hair, whiskers, sideburns, and, and it's, it's very visible. OK. So we want to stay away from that or, and guys, if you get to see it's going to convert it to something because it's got too much. So it's got to bring it down, bring the tea down, it'll convert into estrogen. And so guys who are overweight and have like a lot of fat tissue, it'll actually convert that testosterone to estrogen. And then you see man boobs and those aren't very. Yep. Yep. And they got him. And so that's the only way it's got to adapt. Your body's always trying to get that, a homeostasis to beat equal to have that right ratio.

Eric: 25:11 And there's ways of saying, hey, I can knock out this [inaudible] through dim and through um, a Tongkat Ali and there's different herbs and stuff like that that would that work.

Chad: 25:22 So, um, if somebody is experiencing or gets a panel done and they have low t, what are ways that they can improve low t other than buying steroids on this?

Eric: 25:36 I am a big on food. Me Just be clear. We're not encouraging people. Not all, it's amazing how, how large it is out there, I mean, and the saddest part is the sops that you buy. I had a, I have a step son who was buying the subs from, you know, just to local health store and he was actually getting big growth from it and I said that's impossible, blah, blah blah. So I made these phone calls and I got to an organization that's in charge of high school athletes that have been committing suicide because they'd be getting on steroids anyway.

Eric: 26:05 They, they're out there just out viciously trying to educate parents that GNC and a lot of these health food stores are carrying products such that are FDA approved, but they're coming from China that actually have testosterone in the supplement. The actual real. So they're getting the benefit and guess what they're getting the side effects along with it. But I'm a big fan. The biggest thing you can do to improve the level two, I'm back to your sympathetic parasympathetic nervous system, which means you're either in a catabolic state or anabolic state. OK. So either tearing down or either building up. So when you have stress, guess what, you're in that fight or flight mode, you're in a motive you don't want to be. You're not in reproduction mode. Your Libido's down, you're in stress mode. Cortisol will drop your testosterone, and every guy I work with, I know it's the stress.

Eric: 27:01 I know it's the cortisol and we start there with your adrenal glands. Try to get that stress down and that's what's cutting it off. Because think about when you're in fight or flight, everything is your peripheral muscles, your brain, the blood, blood sugars, all for that. Nothing for anything else. No building, no recovery, no reproduction, no even you're not going to digest anything. So I'm about that. So I just that that's the big thing right there.

Chad: 27:25 That's very interesting. I think a lot of people could relate to this. I know for me, whenever I'm in a stressful situation in my life, I don't have drive to work out. I don't have drive to eat, right? I don't. And I'm wondering, I mean that's, that makes sense of all of that connection. If that, you know, that decreases the level two nervous systems.

Eric: 27:45 And I, and I talk to people about this and hey, it can't be stressed.  I can overcome it. No, you're not immediately. If you take too many stimulants, you throw your cortisol into a stressful environment. Women especially, they're way more stress than guys are. I mean they're worried about everybody else, but themselves, they don't. They don't take that moment to say, Hey, this is about me stress and go get a great workout. And women really have their testosterone is so low and a little bit of stress with just stop. If they're into building muscle and everything else, it's a deterrent. And so I say, straighten out your stress. And of course rest, I mean you've got arrest, you gotta recover nutrition. There's a lot of ways that I can bring your tee up. That's so interesting to me. I'm all about. But the neatest part is I have to bring in the keto is because remember, when you're in Ketosis, the biggest thing you're doing is the exciting part is that Beta hydroxybutyrate molecule will bring down your reactive oxygen species and your free radicals.

Eric: 28:46 What are those do from the Mitochondria? When they're produced a cellular respiration, those free radicals will come right out and attack the cell membrane. What's in the cell membrane? We have cholesterol producing. OK. The precursor for testosterone and everything else. So what is Beta hydroxybutyrate do? It lowers your reactive oxygen species or free radicals. There you go. I mean, if you keep an efficient functioning mitochondria, lot of these issues are going to be gone and that's why I'm a big, a big fan of the Beta hydroxy butyrate molecule for ketosis.

Chad: 29:19 We have to bring it back to ketosis and ketogenics How it relates to. One of the things I'm asking in my mind right now is how do I keep this manageable or, or not managed within a healthy range? How do I just maintain my testosterone?

Eric: 29:39 Stress and nutrition serious. Those two things besides. I don't, you know, I think you're good. I've, I've seen you work out. I don't think he ever complaining about your libido or anything. I mean, I haven't heard you talk about stuff like that. Fatigue or motivation. Sure. You have days like that where you're not motivated, but more than anything is when I work with with clients, I work on their nutrition vitamin A. People don't realize how important vitamin A as a precursor for testosterone production. I mean I. I got it from liver, from my. My parents spending literally once a week, thank goodness, because I was a short guy. I don't think I was slow into puberty, but that vitamin a from liver. I did a study with a hundred and two teenage boys that were kind of short and kind of a little slow on puberty and they found out they'd put them on these controlled tests, vitamin A, testosterone and both and et Cetera, and the vitamin a was equal to put a testosterone supplement. So there's simple things like the festival vitamins to increase those that are going to help your team production.

Chad: 30:42 That's a great. This has been fascinating that that connection alone between lack of motivation and low low testosterone is, is a huge takeaway for me. So I just want to thank you, Eric, for everything you've done to prepare for this podcast. This has been fantastic

Eric: 30:56 and I'll do everything I can to help you along the way to keep your tee up. A. I worked with a lot of, a lot of guys and gals, you know, hey testosterone's there for women too, but a lot of women want a little too much of it and I'm like, do you really want those shredded muscles like that? It's kind of funny because most of the husbands say, I don't think that's attractive, but the girls are saying in the women, the wives are telling me like, hey, I don't care what he thinks. I like it. OK for them to your. If that's what you want, I will help you.

Chad: 31:25 Well, thanks for biohacking with us today  and I want to thank you for joining us on this quest for optimal fitness. If you're ready to begin your own journey and live your life and Ketosis, be sure to check out biofitcoaching.com or bio fit coaching on facebook. Go ahead and go on facebook and post your number way number one takeaway from this episode. We'd love to hear your feedback. Uh, and until next time, stay keto!

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