E26 Half-Way Keto: The Dangers of Partial Commitment Ketogenics

What are the problems with half-assing it? That's the topic the guys tackle today. Because keto is so buzzy, a lot of people are jumping on the bandwagon. The only problem is they're just increasing their fat consumption without necessarily decreasing their carbs. This approach leads to the dangers of half-way keto.

What is half-way keto and what does it look like?

The better approach of using scale-outs to keep keto sustainable.

The problems of more fat WITHOUT fewer carbs.

We ALWAYS eat more than we think: the importance of tracking your macros.

How carbs and glucose compete for the brain's attention.

He's learning from the master! Chad's own self-experimentation.

Feeding ourselves with fat is the genetic way to please our body and brain.

Glycogen loves water storage!

How exogenous ketones can exasperate the problems associated with half-way keto.

Adjusting keto for your needs only works if you first know what you're eating.

What it all comes down to is your body's constant balancing act and attempts to reach homeostasis. Doing the ketogenic nutrition plan in partial fashion can throw your body for some serious loops!

If you want to see the guys in action, be sure to check out the behind-the-scenes look at https://youtu.be/bJnl0rXSRKw.

If you have any questions on this episode (or any questions in general) don't hesitate to reach out to us at bioteam@biofitcoaching.com.

If you're interested in starting your own journey, you can find out more information at www.biofitcoaching.com or on Facebook at www.facebook.com/becomebiofit.

Transcript:

Eric: 00:00 It's interesting for me as a coach because when they get back in, I just gained four pounds. I got tell him not, don't worry about, do I scare the crap out of them and say see those carbs? Did to, you know, and the fat you ate.

Chad: 00:17 They say a journey begins in a single step or in my case, one less piece of bread.  

Chad: 00:26 My name is Chad. I'm your test subject. I have sought out an expert in the field of nutrition and fitness. I hope it helped me feel better. They call him the biohacker, but I call him Eric. I hope you'll join me on a path of leads, you and I to optimal fitness as we live our lives in ketosis. This is the life and Ketosis podcast, biohackers guide to optimal body performance.

Chad: 01:01 Hello everyone. My name is Chad and this is episode 26 of my quest to achieving optimal body performance with the man that can get me there. The biohacker himself. Mr Eric Bischof. Every episode I will be sharing my actual results, both successes and failures as Eric teaches me how to apply the principles of ketogenics and functional movement to look and feel fantastic. Now, just as a reminder, the first five episodes of this podcast are foundational episodes. That's where you'll get your foundational knowledge about Keto genetics and functional movement, all of the principles that we talk about here on the life in Ketosis podcast. And, uh, I want to invite you, if you haven't listened to those first five episodes to hit pause on this one now, go back, get that foundational knowledge and then come join us back here today because today we're going to dive deep into something that I'm excited to talk about because I know a lot of people. I mean Eric. Well, first off, Eric, how are you?

Eric: 01:57 Good. Good. Yeah, I think I'm good. I think I'm good. I get a little tired today. I got up pretty early today.

Chad: 02:05 Yeah. What did you do this morning?

Eric: 02:08 Four o'clock. I start. My diary check was the bio fitters were all the fitness pal, all their macros, and I've got to digest their food kinda mentally. I digested, see how it looks. Then I got to make comments mentally digest what they every day jess and I got to look for, you know, there's a lot of little mistakes in there and they roam. Sweeteners are, they overloaded their carbs and so that could be a podcast topic. It really, really crazy.

Chad: 02:38 I mentally digest what you physically digest.

Eric: 02:43 Then I commented and I said I have to start that at 4:00 to get the day going to a little rough. That's every morning, so I got to perk up here. Yeah,

Chad: 02:53 let's dive in. So today we're gonna talk about a topic that I think is interesting and here's why I think it's is because keto has become such a hot topic, such a hot buzz word, right? And there's a lot of miss information about keto, but there's also a lot of miss. I'm practicing of keto from our standpoint, right? Everybody Kinda has their opinion and that's, that's just kind of how these things go. We're basing ours off of science, um, you, well I shouldn't say we, I don't want to give myself any, any credit on this program, but your philosophy is based off of science, based, off of numbers testing, all of that kind of stuff, which I think is awesome and you, you are let really well to the high performance athlete. He's the one who wants proof, the one who wants to, to, to gauge progress and success and all that kinda stuff.

Chad: 03:47 So let's just get right into it. So a lot of people are. I'm jumping into quote unquote keto in a, in a half fast sort of way. And that's our topic. We're going to talk a little bit about the dangers of that. Um, and I think the dangers are multifaceted, right? We have obviously the physical dangers when you're, when you're halfway in keto, that usually means you're eating high fat but not toning down your carbs. So we're going to talk a little bit about that, but there's also, I think there's a mental state to um, and you know, some detriment there. Uh, and a few other ways that we're going to talk about, but let's, let's dive right in and maybe we should start with a baseline. Let's, let's, what are we calling half ass keto?

Eric: 04:34 I think it's hard because it's gotten so popular and Ketos out there everywhere and I'm more of the, you know, I'm, I'm the numbers guy. Okay. I'm more hardcore science type of guy. I want to dig research. I want it done properly and it's gotten so popular to where sometimes you see a trend going out there to say hey, to make it sustainable, you know, let's make it fun. Let's make it scalable. No, not every day in and show that I'm getting kinda torn between because, you know, I want everybody to, to go, you know, enjoy Aikido. Okay. And give it a try, but I don't want them mistakes there. So it's like if you, if, if you dumb it down then then we're going to look at issues that's not good for the body, but if you want to get it really tightened up and then you're really going to have effective ketosis.

Eric: 05:33 Right. And that's what scares me as a coach is I see in you, you talked about before, you have a lot of friends or they don't even know if they're in Ketosis, but you're claiming to be ketogenic it. I just wish it would slow down out there a little bit and try to get everybody doing it properly. Yeah, it sounded like I'm cocky or arrogant. It just that there's a right way. And is there a medium way to do it? I am not a big fan of their careers by keeping it scalable and sustainable, but yet. But let's, let's keep it serious to a certain point. It's your body.

Chad: 06:12 Yeah, absolutely. And we're coming off the heels of our interview with Sean Minor, right, who we had last uh, or two weeks ago I think. And she talks a little bit about the sustainability or this more going by feeling. So I do want to make sure everybody knows this is, this is our, this is ours and many scientists opinion exactly. And um, we wanna make sure that people aren't putting their bodies in danger just in the name of weight loss or you know, that kind of stuff. The other thing, I'm a, well, I guess we'll get there, let's, let's stay. Let's stick with physical right now and we'll go to therapeutic here in a minute and, and mental clarity and that kind of stuff. But what are some of the dangers when we are eating? I mean because I think what's, what's so attractive about Keto is that people are eating bacon and cheese and meats and burgers and they're losing weight.

Chad: 07:12 That is, people are so attracted to that, right? Because we've been taught all our lives to lose weight. You've got to restrict the things you enjoy, not eat more of the things you enjoy. The problem is, is that most of us that love fats like bacons and cheese and all of that kind of stuff, we also love breads and we also love these other carb heavy foods. Right? Right. So if there is a danger in this mentality now of oh now I just get to eat whatever I want to eat. And I'll, I'll lose weight, I'll feel better, I'll be healthy, blah, blah blah. But let's talk about that. What are some of the dangers when when we start eating high fat but not scaling back our carbs it appropriately?

Eric: 07:55 Yeah, that's. That is the danger that's out there. Okay. That is great. Okay. We preach it. We talk about how beneficial fat is. Okay? But obviously fat was something else. When you are going to increase your carbohydrate intake, okay, so obviously you're going to have a higher insulin. You're going to have a glucose that's higher that we've talked about, and so insulin's job is to get rid of that glucose. Just when you get knocked out of Ketosis. All right? If you don't have your carbs low enough that in some low enough, get the glucose down. We've got to start burning the fat. So if you're increasing your dietary fat, that means coming from the outside, come in here and not endogenous. And I said, okay, when you increase that dietary fat, we have an issue. Now, because you're thinking, you're saying, Hey, I'm creating ketones because I'm going to convert that dietary fat to Ketones, right?

Eric: 08:52 So remember you've got to get a homeostasis has to be a correlation of how much ketones you're producing and how much dietary fat you're bringing in. Okay? Once it gets out of whack, all right? Then ketones can actually, if you're producing ketones, ketones can actually stop fatty acids from being released from your adipose tissue because your ketone levels getting high. So it says, Hey, we need equilibrium here, so let's. All right, let's shut down the fatty acids. Okay? That are coming from the adipose tissue to create more ketones because your ketone levels high, so it wants to shut that down. Bring down the homeostasis so it starts working together, but if you keep including dietary fats, where's it gonna? Go, you're going to store it. If you're including carbohydrates, where's the fat is going to go, and now where's that? Extra carbs? If you're increasing your carbs to a certain point, it's going to go back to do you know like what genesis is gonna create fat in your liver and it's going to go store it, and so all these people saying, Hey, I'm keto, but it. It's very important to to watch that baseline of how many carbs coming in because once you trip over that, then if you're taking too many carbs and too much fatty acids coming from the outside, it's not going to do your health any good. You're going to store it there. No storage, so we're always seeking that balance and eat in ketosis. You know when you first start, your body's trying to get that balance of the ketone production versus the fatty acids coming in versus the Fedex has been released. I mean, it's intricate. It really is.

Chad: 10:28 Yeah. That's interesting. And so with your experience of over a thousand hours of coaching people in, in ketogenics easily, there's this behavior that you've talked a lot about and you've talked with me a lot about is that you've noticed in people and there's really no way to measure this, right? Because they're not tracking them, but most likely once you go back and retroactively, you know, talk through some of the day that's not tracking their macros and just going with the way that they feel, quote unquote, right. Mostly w what's. What's the most common behavior that you find is that these people aren't seeing how many carbohydrates they're actually putting into their body

Eric: 11:13 in the issue they have is they're feeling these lows. Okay, brain Cognitive. So you actually put your brain in motion are being converted to do the number one is to feed the brain energy. Remember 20 percent of your energy goes to the right. So do you want to bring in cards to compete with the ketones that are supposed to go to the brain? Right? So they're going to compete. I mean, bottom line, if glucose is there, you have that. They goof for a receptor. You have the mct receptor for Ketones, good one receptor in the brain. So basically you're getting your brain like, okay, I got glucose. Ketones, you're not to to the one energy substrate which you want to do is ketones. So now you're getting your brains saying, okay, wait, we got glucose coming in, now I got to hire ratio more. Concentrate the gradients, hire outside the blood brain barrier, Gary, so I'm going to bring in Glucose ketone stop for now.

Eric: 12:09 So you're. It's just balancing and when you're messing up with getting carbs in there and you're and you're producing some ketones, then all you're doing is getting the brain saying, Hey, I'm not sure I'm not utilizing. I'm going to utilize one of these. Okay, but you're going to have an issue with cognitive because you're just tricking the brain, the brain and said, hey, I don't need glucose. I have plenty of ketones. It's better ATP production, less free radicals, the less reactive oxygen species. We all know that. Okay, in brain neurons, it's a better source of fuel, so let's keep in. I tell him, stop. Get the carbs under control so we can get the brain and your muscles are gonna. Say, Hey, I'm going to compete with ketones are fatty acids from your adipose tissue, which is fine. If you're burning fatty acids in there instead of Ketones, you're still losing adipose tissue, but you're making sure there's enough ketones and supply the brain. All right? Then the muscle say, hey, plenty of the brain. I'll take the ketones. It's a balancing act of ketones.

Chad: 13:12 I'm doing. I'm doing a little bit of a self test right now actually. Um, and I hadn't talked to you about this at all to this point, but, um, I just wanted, I, I'm, I've been in Ketosis for quite a while now. It's been a long time since I've scaled out. Well, I scaled out during Christmas, um, but, uh, but I didn't really pay a lot of attention. I mean, it was, you know, that time of year is so weird. You're, you're doing parties, you're not necessarily working in your same schedules and all that kind of stuff. So I didn't, it wasn't a good baseline for me or, or a good, you know, uh, experimentation. And I wasn't purposely doing it. I just wanted to eat what everybody else was eating. People are providing it and talk about what I'm doing right now is I wanted to.

Chad: 13:57 So I went out of Ketosis. I'm, I started eating carbs and stuff on Thursday. Thursday. Yeah. So today's Monday. Um, but so I started eating those carbs and just kind of eating horribly. I'm still eating my salad for lunch, all of that kind of stuff. So what I wanted to do, fives. Okay. So I'm probably eating two more slices of bread a day than I was. I was eating one slice of this low carb bread that I found called Harper's homemade. It's, it's awesome. But I'm. So I'm eating, I'm eating more bread. I'm definitely eating like I eat some chocolates. Um, you know, and so I'm eating some sugar as well. So what I wanted to, what I wanted to see is it's been so long since I've been out, I wanted to, I wanted to actually journal what happened with my. Yeah. Um, and, and cause that's to be honest.

Chad: 14:55 Like yes, I've lost some weight on Keto and yes, I feel good when I'm working out your body compositions good already. So you don't have much to. I didn't have, I didn't have a big amount of weight to lose or anything that wasn't really your purpose when we, when I started coaching, yet the largest benefit by far that I've found is the mental way. Right. And uh, and so that's kind of what I'm testing I want to see. I want, I, to be honest, I just wanted to feel that afternoon lull again. I wanted to feel that hunger in the morning. I wanted just so I can remind myself that this is where I'm living. I'm living a great way. Right. You know, sometimes you can't notice the good without the bad anyway, I'm just doing it for myself, for my own men mentality. But what I've noticed is that I've become so accustomed and have learned to love fat so much that I'm still eating a lot of fat.

Chad: 15:48 I'm still eating the things that I've learned to love on the Ketogenic Diet, plus the extra carbs, plus the sugar. Right? And so I, I kind of had this hypothesis. I knew we were going into this topic and I've been in it. So it's been on my mind, but I think that, you know, a lot of people, very well intentioned either, uh, either are eating Keto or, or, or have decided not to keto or, or fell out of it, but are still eating those high fat, you know, and we're getting a lot of comments from people saying, you know, what should I do? I, I'd went ketogenic, I lost all this weight and then now I'm putting it back on because I'm not strict. I'm not counting my Macros, I'm not, you know, all of that kind of stuff. So it's just very interesting to me that these habits and our body becomes accustomed to eating those fats. But then we. But then we couple them with the carbs and the sugars

Eric: 16:45 And the part about it. If we go DNA on you, okay, basically you're getting a custom eating fat, but you're also DNA encouraged to eat fat. Conceptually that's what, that's what we ate. And so you're actually doing what your genes are actually genetically saying, hey, let's eat fat and now you've tasted it. It's satiating. It's beneficial health wise. And your body says, Hey, let's stay in this fat mode, but you're adding all the carbs on top of it. And so that's in what's scary, not scary. I think it's great you did this. I think everybody should scale out for a little bit and get a feel for it because. Because you can always get back in. You know, I had a guy just in one of our biofitters just was in the Caribbean on vacation and he sent me and said, hey, I'm going to work out, but I'm not going to track my.

Eric: 17:39 I get when he goes, I'm back and I'm going to get back in and give me a hard workout tomorrow, his workout. And I gave him a pretty tough workout. I'm like, I teach you a bit here and I'll teach you a little lesson. We're going to throw it down with high intensity and some real muscle stamina workout. But anyway, what I'm getting at is I think it's great to do that. But remember, when you scale out anyone who scales out being a member, you've been depleting your glycogen continuously because you're in ketosis. Okay. So remember, glycogen per gram of glycogen, you've got 100 in your liver for 500 and your muscles. Remember, glycogen loves to have water storage with it like four to five grams per one mole, a gram of like a gym. So when you first go into Ketosis, what happens? You lose a ton of water, you're using it up, alright?

Eric: 18:34 But when you go back on carbs, what are you doing? You just stack and all that glycogen. And so all of a sudden you start retaining water and you're like, oh my gosh, I gained three pounds. I gained four pounds. But just remembering a lot of people really it. It's interesting for me as a coach because when they get back in, I just gained four pounds. I to tell them that just water, don't worry about that. Do I scare the crap out of them? Say See, those are still out of those cars did too. And the fat you ate. So I, I've, I don't, I've had, I just had somebody come back from South Carolina and a four day trip and he scaled out and he'll hear this podcast and think, okay, number five, six pounds, and I did tell him, don't worry, it's just water. It'll slowly you go because it's going to get depleted again and you're going to be back where you were because you're not gonna gain that you're not going to gain that, you know, 3,500 calories if you're going to gain a pound. All right, you're not eating much. And he said he didn't eat a lot, he just just kinda chilled out there. Traveling. Yeah. Easy to deal with. Yeah. But do you feel good?

Chad: 19:39 No, I don't feel great at all. He said, yeah. I'm like, just mess this up real good. In fact, I'm really hungry in the morning, really hungry in the morning

Eric: 19:50 back with a vengeance and I'm not just saying that everybody out there in keto, they've experienced it. And what else?

Chad: 19:57 Tired like yesterday. Um, so I, I'm working on a bus which is a different story for a different time. It's really exciting. I'm working on a bus and the weekends are like my days, my Saturday and my Sunday are my days to, to work on that and I usually try to pull 12, 13, 14 hour days on that, um, on that project because otherwise it's never going to get done. And I'm so busy during the week, you know, doing other things. Right. And yesterday I was, it took everything I could muster just to get outside and start working and it was just, I just took note and that kind of journaled and thought about, you know, this is really tough. It's really tough doing it this way. And I think bringing us back to the topic is doing Keto half assed is, I don't think, Eh, you know, for people who have, who have started in a, on a halfway journey, it started that way. They don't completely understand the mental benefits, I believe of what, what's possible. Um, and those that have went full out, you know, and then at some point brought some carb, you know, too many carbs back into their diet or that kind of stuff. I think they're double, they're doubly hurting themselves because a, they know how good it is and now they're experiencing some not so good symptoms, but b, I think they're also eating a lot of fat steel and a lot, a lot of sugar and carbs. So.

Eric: 21:27 Yeah, and that's a good point you bring up because remember you know me, I'm all about the therapeutic benefit of the Betahydroxybuturate molecule or overstate that a lot. But you're missing that because you, you've interrupted your ketone production. Okay. So obviously Betas not getting to your brain. Your brain has been adapted. Debate and I said, hey, you know, they take a little glucose but they'll just say, hey, these are the, this is Beta common. I love it. I got ATP, I got, you know, all the benefits going into the brain besides everywhere else. And just like yesterday I was feeling really good. I was studying and doing some research for, for a genetic cause you know, I'm doing jeans for people and so I was looking at one of the biofitters snips and I got really into the Mthfr and she had a lot of issues on ftl.

Eric: 22:12 Lot of homozygous, like I said, oh this really in about 4:00 I am really in the zone here. So I tested my Beta is one point six and I'm never worried that high emotions really, you know, in, in, in the point eight range. And then today with the podcast and a lot of stress this morning a lot and I thought, man, I'm just not feeling the cognitive. So just before the podcast I tested my Beta was point three and so obviously stress Cortisol and the mental clarity is getting blocked a little bit on the best. So if I mess up on this podcast,

Chad: 22:51 no, I can see you've heard eric say I'm in it for the Beta, but if he doesn't show up then he says I blame it on the Beta

Eric: 23:03 I was reaching for the caffeine. And I'm like, okay, where's this caffeine? And I got to get a little central nervous system pick up here. That's funny. No, but you can feel it. And those who get like you have

Eric: 23:14 talk to you before you can really feel wow. When the ketones at Beta is, you know, taking effect and you get used to your brain and then you've taken it away.

Chad: 23:24 Yep. Yeah. So, so we've talked about the physical, what the body physically does when it's being fed both high fats and carbohydrates. And then you started to allude to this competition between Beta hydroxybutyrate and glucose to the brain. Right? And that's what I want to talk about. That's kind of what I want to close up is what happens when they're both competing, competing to get to the brain, and that

Eric: 23:51 any way you can get the competition and the ketone favor obviously is bring down your carbohydrates, bring down your glucose, your blood sugar is low. All right? So obviously ketones are going to be superior because you're cranking out ketones, right? Show the brain. Obviously it's going to go to the brain and the brain says, Hey, I don't need the glucose. Okay. It'll take a little bit, but there's no competing factors. Let's say that you're really low on ketones. Okay. Like I am today. I'm pointing three, so I'm not having glucose in me. I mean, I haven't eaten any glucose. I am producing some glucose from the glycerol backbone, from your triglyceride. So I'm converting that. I don't think I'm doing any gluconeogenesis, amino acids at all, so I'm like, all right, what's my brain operating on now? Ketones are pretty low. All right, so the brain obviously is taking everything I can because that's what it.

Eric: 24:44 That's what it's there for. So how are my muscles like I worked out this morning and so how am I? Muscles operating fatty acids are still coming to the muscles because that's a good fuel source for your muscle. So you're still burning fatty acids. It may not be Beta, right? But you're getting fatty acids. Your brain is always going to say ketones are there to supply their bank members 20 percent. Like I said, that's why you need a good amount of key ketones so your fatty acids can't go to the brain. The blood brain barrier, you're like, oh, you know, you don't want to take any amino acids to make glucose, to show that to the brain. So I feel pretty good. I mean I'm cognitive fine. I'm not like in a fog it all. So my brain's plenty. So that's, you know, keep the glucose down. All right? But once you start eating those carbs, your brain starts competing for glucose, ketones and it's got to utilize one or the other and it's just safer to, to.

Chad: 25:45 So what's the answer? That's what we need to. And we've said a million times over, but let's talk really quick about what is the solution. If people are afraid they're not getting the full benefits of a ketogenic diet, how do they make sure they're not doing this thing half assed?

Eric: 26:02 one is. Don't say, let me grab exogenous ketones. All right? Because I'm going to throw those. Now you've raised your ketones, you brought in, you know, I'll just exogenous ketones from the outside. Now you've thrown your ketone concentration up. Okay, so now you can throw that out. A balance to where it says, all right, I need to stop the fatty acids, okay, coming from the adipose tissue to the liver to make any more. Ketones are still maybe let some out to burn in the muscles, but I've got to get an equilibrium. Homeostasis. In fact, there I don't even think they know what ketone can stop, what we call life policies. That's the breakdown of fat. It's either, you know, we had the HCL, the, the, um, hormone sensitive lipase, or is it some other receptor that the ketone actually stops that fat cell from saying, Hey, I'm not letting you release those fatty acids.

Eric: 26:54 Your ketone levels too high. All right? So if you're taking Beta throwing up your ketone, all right to, you know, a pretty good high millimole, then you're also having carbs coming in. Then there's another thing you've got to balance. I'm not against exogenous ketones, but remember, you drive all that ketone. If you're producing ketones like I am, and I drive it up to a high millimole, guess what? Something has to give because that's what the negative feedback loop it says, Hey, too much. Let's shut down the fatty acid production to the liver that's bring down, uh, the Beta hydroxybutyrate. So it's a balancing act. So you gotta be careful. You gotta be careful.

Chad: 27:29 Yeah, that's interesting. So the other thing that I want to harp on, and we'll do it again, we've done it a million times, is tracking your, in your consumption tracking, tracking your macros in my fitness pal or whatever your chosen. You can even write it out on it with a pen and a piece of paper if you want to, but as closely as you can tracking your macros, it will surprise you. Um, especially if you're doing this sort of like going by how you feel. It would be really a really interesting experiment for yourself. And maybe you don't want to know, but I would, I would encourage you, if you are kind of living this philosophy of, oh, I'm just going to do it how I feel. I'm so my suggestion live a day, write down everything you eat, don't change anything. Write down everything you eat and then post hoc. Come in and, and run your macros and see where you landed.

Eric: 28:25 And then check your ketones and really see what. Yeah,  okay. I don't have to keep fitness pal. I've been in this long enough to where I. I know my Macros, I eat pretty much the same thing all the time, so I have a really good feel for my, for my foods. When I test, I test ketones every day so that point three isn't because anything I had bacon and eggs and all the same foods all the time, my and my fish and all that. That was a stress oriented and we'll talk about cortisol. One of these days you get into the adrenals because I liked that science part of it, but it just goes to show when you have a stressful day, you can knock out some ketones for awhile and hopefully tonight I'll calm down. Everything will come back, but perfect point. You said, count your Macros, give it a test, see how you show, and then test it on the ketone and see where your Beta is. And surprisingly the people that try it on their own, if you can get a good feel for it, good for you. All right. But overall it just not the safest way to go. And I'm sorry, I'm a numbers guy.

Eric: 29:25 Yeah, bio markers. Genetics actually macros. You give it to me. I have to put it in numbers. I just say one size doesn't fit all and there's people out here if that's too much stress for you. I have A. I have a biofitter now. She just flat out told me she listened to her other podcasts, Shawn's

Eric: 29:42 podcast. So that's okay. I have to do that. I can't have the stress of counting my macros. And I'm like, okay, alright, let's work. Let's just work your carbs. How about just count your carbs? All right. If you go by, feel on the others, let's count your carbs because those are what's gonna knock you out. And she's, I think I can do that. You know, we can always go there if you have to.

Chad: 30:03 Yeah, that's great. But, and here's the sub kind of point I guess that I didn't plan on talking about in this podcast. But, um, the other thing is, is if you don't think you're getting the mental clarity that you think you should be getting right, or if you're not getting the benefits that you think you should be getting, there's no way for you or a coach or a mentor or even a chart to tell you what you're missing unless it's been tracked. Right. And so there's been a lot of times where I'm, you've pointed out to me, Hey Chad, looking at your macros and your sodium seems a bit low and it will click. Oh my gosh, yeah, I've been feeling this, you know, a little bit lately or whatever. There's no way we that would have known that unless we were tracking it. Um, and so that's been a huge, that's just a kind of an added testimony from my, from my standpoint, I get that. It's tedious, I get that. It's not particularly fun to track the Macros, but I really love the feedback,

Eric: 31:10 I call it the trip wires and I, when I go, I go over all their macros, breakfast, lunch, dinner, intermittent fasting, just lunch or dinner or just whatever they're doing. I look at everything for the trip wires because then the new chassis and they're good to go and I say, oh good, okay, this was good, this was good, this was bad, but there's, Oh, you'd be amazed how many foods that I have to take out and say, all right, this is what this is hurting. It was bringing this up, bring this down, and all of a sudden, hey, I'm in. You know, so it's, it's a balancing I guess. Not as easy. It's, I hate to say it's not easy, but I wish it was easy. Yeah. You know, I've coached a lot of people and it's discouraging, more encouraging because I, their benefits are so fantastic.

Eric: 31:53 It's the ones that struggled to get in Ketosis and I have one I've been working with and she's out there and she's, she knows who she is and this has been, it's been my challenge to get her in Ketosis and it's, there's something there and I've been down in jeans. I've been adrenals, had been thyroid. It's still my challenge, but I will get you keto. She knows who she is. Yeah, she's been in. She really struggles to keep her number. Yeah, and it's like, it's taken me down a lot of research so far. I liked the challenge. I will get her there.

Chad: 32:29 Yeah, so I think that's ultimately our message for this podcast is that your macros are simply just a feedback process for you to show you, you know, if you're this, this might be why, um, and the more you can do it, the more you're going to be in tune with what your body is actually doing. I get the feeling thing, but the truth is, from my experience, I feel better. I feel more aligned with my body and with my diet and all the and all in my mind when I am tracking,

Eric: 32:58 when I worked with you, there's times I can look at your look, your Omega six fats too high inflammatory fats. We need to make a change here. Your Omega threes are really, really low. Let's get to fish up. Let's get to Krill oil. Saturated fats are really high or whatever your monos. Let's get some more of this in it.

Eric: 33:19 There's a co coordinated a little bit and it's easy for you to. It's easy to slip your mind. Say, I haven't had fish for like three weeks. I haven't had any. You haven't had any Omega threes. So like we said, it's a balancing act. Absolutely critical. You are what you eat.

Chad: 33:19 Well, thanks biohacking with us today.

New Speaker: 33:39 I appreciate it. I hope it helped.

New Speaker: 33:40 Absolutely, and I want to thank you guys for joining us on this quest for optimal fitness. If you're ready to begin your journey and live your life in Ketosis, be sure to check out biofitcoaching.com or bioFit coaching on facebook. Lots of great tips, uh, conversations, all of that stuff going on there. Also, if you've benefited from this podcast at all, we encourage you to consider going on itunes and leaving us a five star rating and review that. Let's people know why you love the podcast and how it's helped you, helps us reach more people and grow our audience. We would really, really appreciate that. And finally, the greatest compliment that you can give us is sharing the podcast with your friends, family, the ones you love,

Chad: 34:17 the ones who need this information the most. And until next time, stay keto.