12/05/18 E66 Keto And Alcohol (What Drinks are OK?)

What alcohol is keto kosher? If you've listened to Eric for more than 5 minutes, you know what a fan he is of self-experimentation. He tests everything on himself to learn and understand effects first hand. Well, today's episode may be the ONLY topic he has NOT done any self-experimentation with. But, he has done hours upon hours of research AND Chad is here to offer his first-hand knowledge.

What is the 4th macro?

The keto-science of alcohol consumption.

Eric discusses the Asian flush.

How our genetics play a role in our alcohol response.

Fast metabolizers vs slow metabolizers.

How different types of alcohol affect ketosis.

Beware of nutrient deprivation.

The WORST types of alcohol to consume on a keto diet.

And, Chad shares his keto-friendly drink of choice.

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Transcript:

Chad: 00:00 I'm thinking we made a mistake by not getting you nice and liquored up before this podcast. That would have been fun.

Eric: 00:07 Well, you know what? My mom always told me that hers and my dad for her side of the family get really mean when they got drunk.

Chad: 00:18 They say a journey begins in a single step or in my case, one less piece of bread. My name is Chad and I am seeker. I have sought out an expert in the field of nutrition and fitness who I thought would help me feel better. They call him the biohacker, but I call him Eric. I hope you'll join me in a path that leads you and I to optimal fitness, the body and the mind as we live our life in ketosis. This is the life in Ketosis podcast, a biohackers guide to optimal body performance.

Chad: 01:02 Hello everyone. My name is Chad and this is my quest to achieve the healthy state of being with the man that can get me there, my mentor and cohost, he is a science to my regular guy. The extreme testing to my. I'll take your word for it. The biohacker himself. Mr Eric Bischof. Somewhere along the journey of ours I realized that feeling better is really one part physical and one part mental and both are needed to achieve the optimal state of being what I call keto, happiness or ketosis. And today we're talking about alcohol all types of alcohol. So going into this conversation, I want to make sure it's, this is going to be an interesting topic to hear your perspective on Eric because, and I want people to know like this is going to be purely a research based conversation on your end because you don't drink and have never. Nope. So this will be fun. So this is purely based off of research. There is no, you're not going to try to convince anybody that uh, their alcohol is okay because you're not trying to convince yourself.

Eric: 02:12 I've never, I've never drank. I tasted it maybe as a kid. I remember tasting beer when my parents, you know, turn their back or something like that. Or I remember a drink they used to call a bloody mary. And I tasted that and oh my gosh, I, I, I, but, you know, part of it was because not that I'm against, you know, casual drinking or social drinking or anything like that and, you know, of course I'm into the health aspect, but that's just my opinion, you know, for me. But my parents always told me that, uh, alcoholism on their, on, in their family, relatives were really, really high and always put the fear in me that, you know, don't drink and all, you, you become an alcoholic, you can be addicted to it. So I really, through high school and all, I have friends that drink and everything, but I just had a fear that, that I was going to be addicted to alcohol because that was always instilled in me since I remember just as a young kid. So I think that just carried over and then I had no need for it or no desire. And you know, the health aspect of it was important to me. But you know, doesn't mean it's not healthy. Uh, you know, we have a lot of cases about, you know, different wines and things that are healthy, but that, that's where I come from a background and no, I don't know the taste or the best alcohol, but I'd sell on that end of it besides the chemistry of it I knew, but on the other part, like vodka, Tequila, brandy and all that, I do not. I know, I just know very little of that. But you, you have occasional drink, right?

Chad: 03:47 Yes. Yeah, you did. I do enjoy an occasional drink. My drink right now is, is a, uh, a Margarita, like a real actual Margarita with just limes and Tequila triple sec and sometimes a little bit of bitterness, but yeah. So I mean that's where it absolutely. And then you have different levels and different, uh, different, distilled a ways of doing it and that kind of stuff.

Eric: 04:18 So with keto, obviously that's why we're doing this because does it, does it, does it knock you out of Ketosis and can you do it while you're on Keto and what happens, etc. Which we'll talk about.

Chad: 04:31 Yeah. So We really want to talk about how they interact with keto and I'm sure eric, you, you and I have actually never really talked about this, but I'm sure this has got to be a pretty common question that comes up with your clients and your biofitters is, you know, as they start to approach this lifestyle of keto, they probably want to know what their relationship with alcohol needs to be at that point.

Eric: 04:53 Yes. And that's a good point because, you know, alcohol, uh, you know, we talk about it, you know, some people call it the fourth macro, which obviously we have, we have carbs. Okay. And then we have protein, we have fat and some people like to call it the fourth macro because there is calories to alcohol. Ethanol, carbs have four per gram proteins for per gram fats nine per gram. Alcohol is actually seven calories per gram. So a lot of people don't think sure, you're, you're going to get the sugar. And the, uh, you know, through the process of fermentation and distillation, you know, we're gonna lose the grains, the carbohydrate, carbohydrates, sugary content, you know, um, that it comes from. But there are still our calories involved, so, but they're, they're also known as an empty calorie. Alright. Um, in fact there's like studies been done. I remember a study that I read long time ago, they took two groups of people and one group had 50 percent of their calories of been alcohol and they had this total calorie count amount content. The other group was 50. I'm just from carbohydrates, 50 percent from carbs. And it turned out on the alcohol group, they actually had a drop in body weight. So it does give you calories. But there are some studies on the energy from alcohol seems to get lost and get excreted. And maybe it's in the pathway of how it's been oxidizes, uses up some energy, et cetera. But, uh, so a lot of alcoholics aren't very heavy unless they're eating a lot of food with it. But so, but it. But it is actually an energy source. It can be used as energy alcohol. There is calories there.

Chad: 06:40 That's interesting. That's very interesting. So let's, um, why is it important for us to have this conversation about. I mean because I think at least a lot of people that I know that are in keto are, are saying, you know, I, I'm not going to completely give up my alcohol, but I want to maximize my intake to a keto, uh, adherence. And so I think that's one reason we're having this conversation. And another reason is that I just think it's important to understand if you are going, if you are in keto and you are going to partake in alcohol, um, it's good to know what's happening, what's the science happening in your body and, and all of that kind of stuff. So where are we going to start with this? Or we're going to start with beer and wine?

Eric: 07:28 Alcohol, ethanol. Okay. That's, you know, water grains you know We have to have the carbohydrate in there. We got to have yeast in there and obviously, and so we got to produce it from something. and what happens, what we're looking at, why the whole issues with keto and anything else is the one word is acetaldehyde.. All right? And I'm not sure what acetaldehyde is, but everything that the issue with alcohol, toxic excetera, the poison we call it, comes to acetaldehyde. And what happens real briefly is when, when, when you consume alcohol, all right, we obviously beginning to break it down. You know, it's just straight from the mouth to the stomach, to the small intestine. It gets absorbed, all right? But 90 percent of it, not all of it goes straight to the liver through this one pathway, we'll talk about it, but it's all sent through the portal circulation remember. I've talked about the portal vein with glucose fructose, et cetera, through the portal vein that goes straight to the liver. We call that the hepatic portal circulation. So alcohol is absorbed. It gets into the small intestine, and obviously via the portal vein, it goes straight to the liver. So the liver is getting it because there's a purpose. acetaldehyde. that's the fear of the body, okay? Because it's very toxic. So what happens that snl, you start breaking it down In your stomach, your small intestine, it when it gets to the liver, to break that ethanol down, you need what we call alcohol dehydrogenase. That's an enzyme. All right? should we talk real quick about Enzyme that breaks it down? And then it goes into that acetaldehyde. That's the toxic. That's the poison in it. You're like, whoa, what? Why is the liver creating from the ethanol? Breaking it down into something very toxic, very poisonous. Well, it's got to break it down and then it's going to break it down further. And so what happens when we take this acetaldehyde we need an enzyme called the aldehyde dehydrogenase. We first had the alcohol dehydrogenase to break it down from ethanol, straight to acetaldehyde. Now we have this other enzyme. It's the ALHD2. And, and I, I looked into this about a year ago when I started doIng genetic two years ago, uh, genetic, um, studying. and so what happens, that's the toxic, that's, you know, you're going to get some of that to go into the blood. All right? So, but most of all, you want to break that down too. Acidic acid or acetate, which is, it has no harm or effect. Basically, that'll convert to water and co2.

Eric: 09:56 But it also can go into the blood from there. But first of all, this, uh, acetaldehyde, have you ever heard of the asian flush? No, I've never heard of that. Really? Most people have heard of the asian flush. Okay. So what happens when, when, when they acetaldehyde doesn't get broken down efficiently. Find that aldehyde dehydrogenase. It's an enzyme. There's genetic mutation. So I always, you know me, I get into the gene, the mutation portion of it, well those of asian descent have this genetic mutation. They don't make enough of this aldehyde dehydrogenase to break that poisonous toxic acetaldehyde down to acidic acid. so it happens. They, they're getting an extra boost of the toxins. All right? And so what happens then? They actually get the flush of the face. They get really, you know, red face get flushed, they get sIck, they actually start feeling the effects of alcohol very quickly because they don't make enough of this enzyme. They have the snip, but we can also have this snip, in fact, I looked at mine and it's called the rs six 71 that I've known about and i knew I didn't have this genetic snip. A lot of people, when you get really the effects of alcohol are you even get a flush or you get, you know, there's, there's various mutations in various variants of this genetic snip, but the main one is the rs six, seven one. And I'm gigi. I, you know, I'm, I'm not, you know, I'm normal eels, but there's heterozygous and homozygous which really increases, uh, the, the effects of the alcohol.

Chad: 11:35 So interesting. So if you're, if you have this snip, you are going to feel the effects being buzzed or drunk or whatever, quicker or with less alcohol than most?

Eric: 11:48 Because it's going into the blood. It's not. The liver is not breaking it down to a acetic acid, all of it. Or to acetate. So this is actually getting out of the cytoplasm into the blood and, and did you get a little bit, you know, when you drink, let's say mainly it's, it's, um, you know, if he really, you know, drink quite a bit and get him a big buzz on, obviously some of it's going to go straight to the brain via the blood. and, and that's uh, a acetaldehyde, that's gonna make those effects. So if you have the snip, you're going to feel the effects even worse. And, and you probably won't even drink if you're really genetically a heterozygous or homozygous, you probably won't drink because it's not worth it. But you know, it does when it gets out to the blood, if you drink too much, it'll decrease that enzyme, the aldehyde dehydrogenase. So let's you pat you really pound drinking. Some of that's going to go anyway. It's going to escape and get out to the blood. And that's where it works to the brain gives you those effects of alcohol, the neurons to other tissues. It can wreak havoc on your dna, get to the liver, liver damage, et cetera. But more, you know, most of us will just go ahead and take that acetaldehyde and through that enzyme, break it to a acetic acid, acetate, and I'm sure you do. If I drink, I would definitely go that route because I don't have that snip and I'm not overdrinking and you know, binging and etc. And so when you go to the acetate of stadium, lot of it gets excreted as water and co2. But then some of it actually will get to the blood and actually get out to the peripheral tissues and muscles and it can be used for energy is where alcohol can be converted as energy to Acetyl-CoA, which we, we know about Acetyl-CoA, you know, fats and, and glucose to probably [inaudible] goes to a cdot groups which Acetyl-CoA can go into mitochondria to be used as energy. And so that can be used as energy. But if not, what happens chad. it can be converted to fat. If you don't need the energy, it's going to be converted to fatty acid synthesis. Now we get fatty liver, fatty liver, right?

Chad: 14:04 so can I, can I pause you for a second when you talk about alcohol being energy, is this, this isn't an energy source that we can store a, from what I'm understanding, it's more, it's, it's, uh, it has to be used immediately. Is that, is that correct? And if it's, if it needs to be stored it becomes a fatty acid, enough fatty, a triglyceride fat basically.

Eric: 14:30 Yeah. So it has a choice, but lot of times it's not being used as energy and that's where I eventually we just goes through the Acetyl-CoA and can be used. If not, it'll pump it back up, say hey, let's make a triglyceride fatty acid and store it. And where are you doing this? And the liver most of the time. So that's where the fatty, you know, and, and nonalcoholic fatty liver disease is huge. But also with nash, you know, you know, that's, you know, alcoholics always have an issues with liver damage because a lot of fatty liver storage.

Chad: 15:03 yeah most of us are now being active while we're drinking to, to utilize the energy that this could provide.

Eric: 15:10 You're just sitting there drinking and drinking, but that's the 80 percent. Probably 90 percent of the alcohol will go through this pathway, but there's one other pathway that that alcohol will will actually travel through and it's, and I'll do this real briefly, I remember reading about this. It's the message. It's the micro somo ethanol oxidizing system. So what this is a pathway, plays a big role in and alcohol metabolism, but it does it mainly in mostly like moderate drinkers. They drink every day kind of moderately or those after you just drank a lot. High consumption it, some of that alcohol, maybe 10 percent or more. If you're drinking a lot, we'll jump through this other pathway and this pathway is a little a little different because what it does, it actually drops into your cytoplasm and send the endoplasmic reticulum and I won't go into detail there, but it is used as the cytochrome p 4:50 and that's an enzyme. It actually does the same thing. Converts that alcohol to ask the acetaldehyde and so that's the toxic toxic stuff. There we go. And then in this pathway you actually get a lot of reactive oxygen species, free radicals, you start to get some damage to the cells and that's where liver damage can come in a. And this pathway is usually from a lot of alcohol consumption, but it also in this pathway, the p for 50 and you also use that to do what you metabolize your medications. And so what happens? So you're drinking drinking alcohol, you take your medications, obviously that p 4:50 is gonna not being doing this job and so thus altering the activity of, of your, of your meds and that's why you don't drink and take your, your, your, your medications. So that's the p 4:50 and that's about 10, 15 percent of the alcohol will run that pathway. So that's another way to move the alcohol. But there is another, there is a genetic snip that controls the cytochrome p 4:50 gene that I just talked about, that enzyme that used and you. I'm not sure what, what you have, we haven't done your genes yet, but it's called the cyp one. A two. And I've talked about before like on caffeine metabolizing and there's a couple, several different variants and so that either going to make you a fast metabolizer or a slow metabolizer. So where do you think you are when you drink alcohol? I mean you get a buzz real fast or can you drink and not get a buzz?

Chad: 17:52 Yeah, I'm pretty fast. I'm, I'm a pretty quick metabolizer for sure or no, that means I'm a slow. That means I'm a slow metabolizer. yeah, you'll get a good effect off of caffeine. Caffeine, I'm, I'm very sensitive to caffeine as well.

Eric: 18:08 Okay. So you knew you definitely have a genetic snip and so you're, you're going to be a slow metabolizer of alcohol would definitely have more of an effect on you than me. Okay. I'm a fast metabolizer. Even medications, like no pain pills and stuff, they really don't affect me in any way. They, they help the pain but they have no effect mentally or anything like that. Oh wow. I don't feel anything from it.

Chad: 18:31 That would be really nice because I hate the feeling of painkillers. So when I have something going on, like an injury or something that had been prescribed, I avoided at all cost. I hate the feeling of it and it's probably because of this reason is it? They just seem to overtake me.

Eric: 18:48 Yeah. And it's that people really are slow metabolizers. in fact, when I was in high school, I remember I had a tooth ache that was just throbbing and killing me. And my mom gave me this pill called percodan, percocet. Percodan real powerful. And she was real nervous about giving it to me to knock the pain. I took it in. Actually the pain was gone, but I felt nothing. But I know when my brother took it, he said he could like walk on the roof and balanced on. What are you talking about it? I felt nothing. So I really don't know. I don't feel anything. so that's part of the, those are a couple of pathways that you're going to get your alcohol. So the scary part is why is your liver so active and getting, you know, alcohol is a toxic. Okay. It's, it's, you know, uh, as a towel to hide that. It's got to get that cleared, broken down and out. So your liver is concentrating all its priority on alcohol, not ketones, not food processing, not, not nutrients or anything, it's all, it's all, all guns are on, on getting the, uh, acetaldehyde broken down and taken care of .

Chad: 20:01 So Eric So let's take a pause on this really quick on this alcohol conversation and let's talk about bioStak. We've been talking about bioStak every episode for a couple weeks now and we're not going to stop because I am loving having this conversation. I'm loving having bioStak in my, in my life. Um, and I'm mostly so glad to hear the stories coming in. I was with a, actually a really personal friend, um, over this past week. We were traveling and working together and he's been taking bioStak for a couple months now. He was, he just went on and on about how much biostak had changed his life and his focus. And he's, he's working right now. They're trying to work through a marketing project that has, has him working long hours and he said, I feel like I could not sustain the energy that I have sustained through working through these hours if I had not had bioStak introduced in and started taking it. And so it was really cool to hear his story. um, what exactly when he talks about that clarity of mind, what's happening with bioStak, why is that helping that process for him stay focused, stay energized, especially through long days?

Eric: 21:22 I, I wish I could say because there's some cognition ingredient in there like caffeine or some new tropics, but there's not. Okay. And that's part of the reason I, I made sure I didn't put one in there because you're going to feel that and thank god everything else is just working just great. Okay. I wanted to get to the point where don't mask it with that, but get it to the point. What it's actually doing is increasing your energy substrate as far as your mitochondria being functional. Okay. Most people in the brain, dysfunctional mitochondria is going to limit your energy or your cognition, etc. And so what, once you start getting adapted to it, you start improving your reactive oxygen species and everything else, free radicals, everything. Your mitochondria just starts working efficient and obviously you're gonna have the energy to keep the neurons firing the astrocytes, everything working well to keep up that cognition. And that's why there's no a enhancer in there as far as caffeine or anything else like that.

Chad: 22:28 And so what I hear you saying is like even in, even if you're in ketosis, which is incredible, there is still some untapped energy potential there. And the ingredients in bioStak really helps you unlock some of that, some more of that energy.

Eric: 22:44 Oh yeah, definitely. because one, you have the beta hydroxybutyrate molecule that's really efficiently working the electron transport chain and now you have something else taking care of all the reactive oxygen species, free radicals, super oxides, et cetera, that are also hindering your mitochondria. Plus your mitochondrial dna that keeps your electric transport chain complex is working efficiently. So you're getting double now. So that's exciting part about it. It really is. And that's something that I really have a passion about.

Chad: 23:16 Well, that's, that's awesome. If you haven't at this point, go to biostak.com and check it out. There's more information there. There's a way for you to order your first bottle and just try it and see how good you can feel. And uh, Eric, let's jump back into talking about what makes us a less clear alcohol. Let's get back to it. Are we ready to jump into types of alcohol and how they interact with our, with our performance and our and our keto, ketosis?

Eric: 23:49 because most of the, most of it is what happens is when you're drinking your liver is what is your fatty acids are going to be a not being released. Okay? So what happens is not going to be going to the liver. The liver is busy with alcohol. All right? So it goes on a break, a pause or whatever you want to call it, says, hey, not making ketones, not doing anything. I'm going to take care of this asset, aldehyde and get, get it done and get it out and get it broken down. So your ketone production, everything else is going to have to just hold. So you're going to start, if you're in a weight loss or you're going to stall temporarily, it's not going to be a long stall, but you're going to stall temporarily. So.

Chad: 24:36 So it sounds like when you're, when you're tired and you're ready to take a break with a beer. So is your mitochondria? Yup. Yeah, right. It's like no, break time

Eric: 24:49 was really empty calories to alcohol. So it's just, you know, how long and everybody's different and I wish I could test it because you know, I would have by now I would have drank all these different alcohols we'll talk about and I would have tested my ketones like every, every 20 to 30 minutes to see when I'm back in ketosis or I'm out of ketosis or how long was I out of ketosis? Because I really like to know. So I don't know if I have to start drinking for science

Chad: 25:20 it's science, it's science. you know what? I'm not what I'm. I'm thinking we mAde a mistake by not giving you nice and liquored up before this podcast. That would have been fun.

Eric: 25:32 well, you know, mom always told me that hers and my dad for her side of the family get really mean when they got drunk there and they're all from tacoma, Washington and a rodeo bronco, professional bull riders and she just said they just really got mean and nasty and so I think that was always a fear. Maybe I get mean, I'm a nice guy, but I, I really don't know. Maybe I should test it.

Chad: 26:02 That would be really, really fun to watch. I'm just saying that.

Eric: 26:06 you don't drink to get really intoxicated, do I mean you drink?

Chad: 26:09 No, no, no, I'm, I'm a three drink max kind of person and it's maybe every other week. It's just a treat. It's just a fun little cultural thing for me to try different beers, different wines and different, um, mixed drinks. So I've been drunk the word, I guess that's what they use. It's been a long time I guess. Yeah. Yeah. I haven't been drunk since high school I think.

Eric: 26:35 Oh really? Oh wow. Yeah, I mean. And you liked the taste of it? Correct.

Chad: 26:41 I'm a, I like, I like trying things. I would not say I liked the taste of everything, like if you make me a martini or a white russian, I'm going to want to puke. So. But uh, yeah, but I do like to explore it.

Chad: 26:57 oh really? Okay. All right. Yeah, and I'm sure there's some, I don't know, breweries you like and different things and I think people. I have a lot those that I coach are, you know, they asked me about alcohol and sure, the dry white wines and different things we'll talk about. Yeah, I mean I, I have no issues with it. If you're just gonna keep drinking. No, you're going to really. And nutrient deprivation, obviously [inaudible], you're not going to absorb your fat soluble vitamins. You're not gonna absorb fat so well. So you're going to lose out on that. And other nutrients break down because you get cellular damage in your, your stomach, your gut lining, your intestines, a little cell damage. What's not going to absorb all your nutrients. So anyway, I won't go into that part of it, but

Chad: 27:39 when you say that it nutrient deprivation, is that just when you're drinking or is that a certain amount of time after you've drank alcohol?

Eric: 27:48 I mean you can eat and you know, obviously you're, you're gonna your liver is going to be busy taking care of the alcohol, you're going to get some of that in the stomach, obviously a little bit. So you get a little bit of cellular damage to the cells in the stomach lining and so it slows down absorption a little bit, especially if you're a heavy drinker but not casual drinkers, you know, I'm just the heavy drinkers.

Chad: 28:08 yeah. So, so let's talk specific alcohols really quick or specific drinks if that's okay. And, and, and I've got some questions for you. If you don't know, that's, that's fine. No problem there. But um, so are there, are there different types of drinks that you have identified that are, are less conducive to, to ketosis than others? And I'm going to, I'll, I'll make an assumption. I'm assuming you beer is probably one of the worst when it comes to ketosis

Eric: 28:41 because there's grain, you know, you're obviously going to have hops and you're obviously going to have some kind of grain with it. Okay. With your beer. So they are higher in carbs. All right. They're going to be higher in calorie and also in carbs. So a lot. I do have some, a low carb, a biofitters. They drink beer and I think there's some on the internet, but I ones that they've talked about is, I think it's a miller 64 and then there's a Michelob. I think thEre's an ultra or something. There's a couple of beers that are lighter. I'm, I think I'm remembering them right. But they, they do drink, beer in, I see their numbers, you know, obviously in keto and uh, they enjoy their beer so they don't drink a lot, but they might have one with dinner or something like that.

Chad: 29:26 So that's going to be, I mean, that's going to be scaling out situation most likely, right?

Eric: 29:32 Or no, it's not enough to, you know, maybe one or two drinks isn't going to affect your, um, you know, a couple hours later you will be showing ketones. It's in everybody's different too, you know, and if they drink too much then I can see their numbers will drop, you know, I followed their numbers and I'll see the numbers drop and I'll say something like, oh, I had a little too much to drink, huh?

Chad: 29:56 Yes. So for me, what I've noticed is when, uh, when I've tested, I, I've only tested once or twice, but I like, I like a really good dark rich beer and those are really high in carbs and there's just no there. No, there's no bones about it. Like for me that is a scaling out. I'm scaling out of ketosis when I go for that, which is why it's every other week or so. Um, but I just really enjoy that, that deep rich flavor. I don't, I don't enjoy the lighter, more kind of watery stuff. So, so for me, like when I do choose a beer, it's, it is, uh, it's, this is me scaling out of ketosis for tonight. I'm enjoy.

Eric: 30:47 Yeah. I mean, and that's most of the ones I coached or you know, like during the holidays they'll, they'll have their dry white wine and different things like that that I see. But, but mostly your liquors, the united, the whiskey, the scotch that bourbon vodka, those are higher, you know, the more of a liquor hire, you know, a percentage of alcohol by volume. And those are most of them. There's no, there's no issues with those mainly. Um, there's zero carbs, they're always zeroed out. So. And you drink whiskey, correct. I thought,

Chad: 31:25 I think a good whiskey or bourbon. Yeah.

Eric: 31:28 Yeah. And even though, you know, obviously they're made with either rye, wheat, corn, whatever, barley, you know, whatever grain they use. And then through used, obviously they, they obtained their, uh, ethanol and carbon dioxide which is taken out of it. So obviously you're losing all the starch into sugar distillation and stuff. You doN't have to worry about that, but you are safer with those kinds of drinks and I think if you're just drinking those obviously, and you're not gonna drink that much, right, because it's going to hit you harder unless you're really, you know, really enjoy it. You want a drink. I mean, even with agave I mean, that's, that's all good to go. I mean, it's, it's very, um, uh, no carbs now in tequila unless you get it with sweetener and in some of that other stuff that they like.

Chad: 32:22 Right? And that's the other thing that I, that I have an advantage is I'm, I am not a sweet drink guy. Um, I mean, that's what I just, I started the podcast by saying I'm enjoying margarita is lately, so that's kind of a contradiction, but even my margarita is a lot more dry than most. Um, And using a ton of agave syrup to sweeten it. I was going to ask though, maybe, maybe this doesn't even make a difference or you haven't studied this up to this point, but, um, a lot of people talk about the colors of liquors. So like, or like browns and, and obviously clears. Is there a difference that you found um, like between like a dark bourbon and a clear tequila in carbs or how it interacts with the mitochondria and the keto.

Eric: 33:13 It is some of the color with, you know, done with the actual barrels that it's stored in. Is that where some of the color comes from? Just

Chad: 33:21 so. yeah, I believe so. But it also is the distilling process and the root ingredient. Right. So not like a rye. It's obviously going to come out darker just by nature of the pigment of the. Yeah, the grain. Yes. And then agave doesn't have that pigment and so, but,

Eric: 33:38 but I know a lot of it, like in whiskey, if they're using rye and barley and a mixing new corn, whatever they mix it up with, but it doesn't to distillation and everything, it's even though it's a darker liquor, a liquor, it actually will, will come out the same with zero carbs. So you know, you're going to have to add some kind of carb to some kind of sugary based or whatever you know, to your drinks and ones are the drinks that everybody knows that they're going to knock them out. You know, once they start getting that kind of stuff though, that'll knock them out.

Chad: 34:12 Cocktails where you're not adding some sugars and some carbs.

Eric: 34:16 Well with wines grapes and stuff, you're going to have low car. They could be down to two grams up to what, nine or 10 probably per drink. So you got your low carb red wines and the white lines. But most of the ones I coach, I always see the white wine. I, you know, red wines of course have resveratrol and obviously that's a nutrient of polyphenol that is works with inflammation, heart disease. You know how they talked about miss versatile and wine and they, it hasn't very much of it. I would come the studies I looked at, but it also is, you know, it has some carbs in it too, but you can get the low carb wines. Do you drink wine or

Chad: 35:01 no, not as much. I do enjoy it, but it has to be really dry, like he can't. It can be sweet at all.

Eric: 35:10 No, you don't like um, the, this way somebody told me they, one of my biofitters asked if they could drink a long island ice tea in the heck. Is it a no brainer? No. You cant drink that. I don't know how sweet is that thing. I don't know. Smacking sweet.

Chad: 35:38 So for me, one of the, when I first started keto and I was trying to figure out what my relationship would be with alcohol, went with keto. The drink that I became really a fan of is a gin and tonic because you're just, it's dry gin tonic water or I even started doing it and I realized this isn't a real gin and tonic, but I started just doing a sparkling water and adding some of those lemon, those powder lemon real lemon packets and it was really good. I, I really started to enjoy it and, and there's literally nothing in that if you're using sparkling water instead of tonic.

Eric: 36:23 So it's just an interesting little company like lemon, orange and lime. I mean, because I know gin does come with some citrus in it, right? Um, I don't know. I don't know. I would assume not, but it maybe like, maybe I'm confused. I'm, isn't it from england slow gin maybe?

Chad: 36:52 how little I know about alcohol, but um, but it just like, you know, I don't know what to. I don't know what to go to. There are variations that you can. I mean they're not, they're not going to taste like your original drink, but there are, there are good drinks that you can go to that literally have no, no carbs whatsoever at

Eric: 37:16 tonic has some carbs to. Maybe it doesn't, but absolutely. I thought it did. Yeah. Because I know there's people at that. Well, you know, I get, I get A lot of questions on alcohol as far as scotch and all these brandy and vodka and all these different ones. It's just a beer. When I say beer, I'm like, ah. drink the hard staff don't go to beer to become out. Obviously you have a little less glycogen storage because it's usually your keto depleted. So alcohol will get metabolized a little faster and soda, it will travel a little quicker and you'll get a buzz a little faster. So that's part of the drawback of being keto. But um, but no, I have quite a few that drink and it's never. It will stall you. It'll pause you out temporarily. And then you gotta be careful when you're fasting too. Obviously most people when you're fasting and drinking, especially if you're in your fast fast with, with alcohol because you're going to get a nasty hangover. So let's try you. You haven't had a hangover. I can't ask you about hanging over us. I guess

Chad: 38:33 I had one when I was a teenager when I was in high school and that was enough for me to know that I never wanted to feel that again in my life.

Eric: 38:42 Well, I, I had workers in the past and on some of the projects and they come in or hung over, um, and their operators and all sorts of guys. But I'm telling you, I'm amazed at. I was always amazed like how can you drink that much and then sleep four hours and take a shower in the morning and be right back to. no, I'm, I've been on some crews with 50, 60, you know, operators, electricians, laborers in, a lot of them are drinking at night out of towners. And I just amazed by their work ethic wasn't even a hiccup.

Chad: 39:19 So anything else we need to know about our metabolization of alcohol while in keto or anything else you want to just make sure people take home from this conversation?

Eric: 39:28 Yep Acetaldehyde. That's what, that's the toxic. That's the poison. That's what we're trying to make sure that we get it broken down. Um, and most people don't have the genetic snip of the aldehyde dehydrogenase, uh, but it's worth, you know, if you're doing your genes, definitely check into it and if you get really sick when you drink and you get a flush and you get drunk really, really easy. So there's probably some genetic mutations that you want to be careful with. Uh, you probably are very slow metabolizer and so there's some genes to look at, but you know, obviously that that's what happens to that liver is busy trying to protect you. That's what it's all about. And as far as ketosis, you know, a couple of drinks, it's not going to hurt you.

Chad: 40:11 Yeah. That's great. Well, thanks so much for biohacking with us today, Eric. I have no problem and I want to thank you for joining us on this quest for optimal fitness. If you're ready to begin your own journey and live your life and ketosis, be sure to check out biofitcoaching.com or biofit coaching on instagram that handles @biofit_coaching. Also, if this podcast has helped you at all or entertained you, we encourage you to go to itunes or wherever you get your podcast and leave us a five star rating and a glowing review so that we can reach more people. And finally, the greatest compliment that you can give us is sharing this podcast with those you love, those who are looking for a different way of living and until next time, stay keto.