11/21/18 E64 Is Keto Safe for Kids?

Who's ready for some controversy? So as more and more people begin to understand and live the benefits that come with a life in ketosis, they naturally want to extend those same benefits to their children. So the question is often asked: Is keto OK for my kids? Well, there is no shortage of opinions on the matter, but today Eric and Chad want to offer theirs.

Parents naturally want what's best for their kids. (Shocker!)

What has the traditional food pyramid done for our children?

The interesting statistics behind childhood obesity.

What a thoroughly interesting (and anecdotal) experiment? Compare movie theatre behavior!

How infants start off in a state of ketosis.

What are some healthy carbs for kids?

Kids don't need to obsess over their diet (that's what parents are for!)

How kids can actually handle more carbs than adults.

And how we can teach tiny bodies to burn fat as a fuel source.

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Eric: 00:00 I mean, soda is just, I mean when I go into the gas station, they have the little stores and I see these kids. Do you have these 52 ouncers? I think those are what those are, those big things. Just filling it up full of coke and mountain dew on. I always look to see if they got the diet button pushed you and the parents are right next to them and the parents are getting the same drink and I'm like, oh my gosh. And my wife, Oh, I just looked at me and she says, stop it. Don't say nothing, just it. And I wouldn't, but I want to. I wanted to want that. I want to, you know, get in there and kind of have an intervention, but I can't do that.

Chad: 00:42 They say a journey begins in a single step or in my case, one less piece of bread. My name is Chad and I was seeker. I have sought out an expert in the field of nutrition and fitness who I owed would help me feel better. They call him the biohacker, but I call him Eric. I hope you'll join me in a path that leads you and I to optimal fitness, the body and the mind as we live our life in ketosis. This is the life in Ketosis podcast, a biohackers guide to optimal body performance.

Chad: 01:25 Hello everyone. My name is Chad and this is my quest to achieving the healthy state of being with a man that can get me there, my mentor and cohost, he's the science to my regular guy. The extreme testing too. I'll take your word for it. The biohacker himself. Mr Eric bischof. Somewhere along this journey of ours, I realized that feeling better is really one part physical in one part mental at both are needed to achieve the optimal state of being what I call keto, happiness or ketosisness, and today we're talking about kids and keto. Eric, maybe we should just start off with a big disclaimer right from the beginning of this podcast and if that's okay, I'll just take that. Okay. Our disclaimer with this podcast is that we are talking about children and quite possibly we're talking about your children. You need to do what's best for your children. With the assistance of a doctor, um, we are not doctors. Eric's not a doctor. Um, and uh, and we are only presenting information. We're not telling you how to provide nutrition for your child. Um, however, after watching the documentary, what's the documentary called again? The magic pill? Yeah. After watching that documentary, I got very intrigued because Eric your and I's conversation up to this point has been very much, um, kids need carbs. Let's, let's not, you know, get extreme with their diets and I think we still hold a little bit of that opinion, but since that documentary and seeing two children specifically with autism, um, excel extremely on the Keto Diet, it intrigued our curiosity to say the least. And that is what has inspired this topic for our episode this week. And I really wanted to explore what it might mean for a child to participate or, or live the Keto lifestyle and, and what benefits are available, uh, what things we should be aware of, what are the risks, all of that kind of stuff. And so as soon as I brought this up to you, you went to work as you usually do and, and a really, really deep into this topic of keto and kids. Um, and, and I'm really interested. I'm excited to hear what you've found and I'm excited to have this conversation. I just want to make sure people understand that we are not making any recommendations here. We're simply presenting information that we found and our opinions and if you decide that that keto, a keto lifestyle might be good for your child or at least want to explore the, the idea of that we really encourage you to consult a physician and make your own decisions as far as that goes. Is that an okay a disclaimer?

Eric: 04:19 Yeah, that's a, that's a good disclaimer. The satisfied is what position you're going to consult. It always comes down to doctors and I have doctor friends and I, I, I agree with a lot of doctors and I have a lot of arguments with doctors, but it's a hard call because a lot of doctors are under this understanding of Carb, carb, carb. And you mentioned that, that, yeah, we are carb conscious and we're very an advocate of carbs, but as we know we've talked about is healthy carbs, not empty calories, carbohydrates, kids, consumer, but you know, I have a lot of parents that I coach sometimes there's both the parents or one of the parents and so we do have the ketosis nutritional going on in the household and a lot of them asked me what about my kids? My kids are my meals, they're partaking, of course you are the higher fat in the lower carb. And so I talked to him, you know, great lengths about it and my opinions of, of Keto for kids. And uh, so I have done, you know, I did some research all along in this topic, but it just something that I'm not willing right now to coach. Um, I didn't know I could be willing to coach kids on it or coach parents, but it's just something that I think we don't. The only history we have on Keto for kids is 40 slash 50 years, which is a great history. But you know, due to epilepsy and seizure control for those children that the meds did not work for. So these kids were put on Keto and then we have some studies in history from that and some of it's negative because these kids were eating these fat drinks. I mean there were shakes that were made with all different types of fats and polyunsaturated oils and, and you know, back then you, you, it was hard to get kids to eat a keto food nutritional program. It was hard for parents to do it. So they, they gave them these, these shakes, it didn't taste that good. So there are some things coming from that. But bottom line is when it comes down to this, you have to. So you say, all right, you look around today, you got keto versus standard American Diet. That's just what it comes down to most mostly with, with most families. So you, they have high carb, low fat, which is the standard there and people are still preaching it and families are still doing it or low carb, high fat. So basically we got to ask ourselves, 40, 50 years of the standard American diet, what, what has it done for our kids? I mean, this is what parents and schools and what, you know, the pyramid and everything is teaching. So Chad, what has it done for our kids and your mind when you see it, what has that diet produced for our kids?

Chad: 07:19 This is exactly how I wanted to stage this conversation, um, for both ourselves and for our listeners because we're doing something wrong and you and I have a few ideas of what that might be. Let me, let me also say this, I'm a parent of young children. Yes, I know the struggle. So I want to make sure that it's clear that there's no judgment from my seat of, you know, how you or anybody around you is, is feeding your child. I know the struggle. I am not near perfect at it. I'm, you know, you have your, you have the child's opinion, you have them going off to school and other places where they're fed. Um, you know, and so there's, there's a lot of things that are, are enacting upon our children in their diet, but I will say this, we're doing a terrible job and the evidence, I mean the proof is in the pudding, right? I mean our childhood obesity is on the rise. It's been on the rise since the eighties really, maybe even into the seventies. Right. And so we've gone a whole 10 percent and obesity over the last 15 years. So, um, childhood obesity trends are just like, and it's, and it's a, what do you call that? When you look at the, the line graph and it's, uh, an accelerated rise, um, that formation, I mean it's just accelerating. And so obviously are a standard American diet is getting our, are obese and overweight and it's also could be, I think the jury's still out on this and I don't think we'll know for a long, long while, but it could be that our diet is also creating a lot of these ailments that we're facing that are on the rise like autism strongly on the rise. Um, epilepsy for is on the rise. I mean, all of these illnesses and ailments are on the rise, especially for our children and um, and it has to trace back somewhat to a, the standard American diet, high carbs, and an empty, disgusting carbs.

Eric: 09:35 Empty. That's what it comes down to. So the three things that, that I look at is from the standard American diet. What we see today is we have overweight, which is different than obesity. Okay. Obesity shoves you up to a higher percentile on, on, on the body mass index. Okay. Then we have number three, we have diabetes and just like you said, since 1980 just in the ages of 12 to 19 year old. Okay. The rate of this overweight obesity has gone from five percent to 21 percent. That is quadruple. So what is that coming from? Is that coming from keto or is it coming from the standard American diet, which is high fat, high carb, low fat. And so I was looking at some stats and I was just mentioned real quick, I was looking to say, okay, where, where is this across the board. All right. So from 10 to 17 years old and overweight in just an obesity included, I was shocked to see that there are six states, you know, that actually our third, the kids of that age group are 35 percent and plus 35 percent plus of them are overweight and obese. And then we dropped down to the next one is 30 to 34 percent and there's 17 states that are in that and that's, that's 30 to 34 percent of being overweight and obese. And then the next one below that 25 to 29, I think there was 14 states then five states had 20 to 25 percent that was overweight and obese. And the number one state that had 15 to 19 percent, only one state their youth for that percentage of overweight and obese was Utah. And that's where I live. So, um, I, I, I wouldn't, I wouldn't have guessed that but, but the stats are showing so, so we have this issue of overweight and obese and if you just go to obese, you know, just straight up obese as above 95 percentile on the body mass index are that we all, we all have just kind of a good standard to go by. I mean Mississippi I think was 26 of the kids are obese from 10 to 17 year old and that, you know, we dropped at West Virginia 20 percent and then again we drop you, they're all the states on Utah comes in number number one on that with nine percent. So where's this all coming from? Obviously the standard American diet that kids are eating are producing something and you mentioned it, this is going to head into, you know, autism, Alzheimer's, heart disease, but most diabetes, insulin resistance, this is where it's going. And we've talked about this before. Diabetes, $85, million Americans are prediabetic type two diabetes. The onset for type two diabetes age is going down. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's getting earlier and earlier and we now we're facing children with type two diabetes and you know, it's really sad when we brought that up, I brought me back to something is when, when kids, okay, you know, the type two diabetic, their, their need for insulin, okay. Insulin treated is three times faster in, in children than it is in adults. So what does that mean? Think about it. That means your Beta cells in the pancreas for, for kids become so much dysfunctional, quicker and then adult. So the damage to the pancreas can happen so much faster and now these kids need, need in some, three times faster than an adult does. So what's going to happen when this type to progressive and very rapidly, you know, and there's only a certain couple of medications that kids can do, you know, little, it's like metformin and, and of course insulin, you know, if they get to that point where they need insulin. So what's the future hold? I mean the heart disease, the high blood pressure, metabolic syndrome and all these things as they get older. We don't know. I, we were sitting on a ticking time bomb and so and so and, and diabetes now I was just going to mention was moved up to the third cause of death before it was like number seven, but now they're realizing when they actually look at the desk certificates and you know, Moses says you diabetes, but then it says heart disease.

Eric: 14:12 Well, what got you there to that heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure and everything else. So most depth in us. Number one is heart disease, but right now is as far as diabetes and back in the 80, 80 or so that I knew nobody that was type 2 you. It was just, it was very rare in children. But now like 10 to 19 year old right now it's increased since that time. Twenty two percent, you know, and under 10, it's still pretty rare right now under 10, unless it's type one. But on type two you really don't see it. But as we get to it, you know, we're looking right square in the face. This is what the government, you know, they're, they're, um, USDA dietary guidelines. And this is what the doctors, the doctors, allowed this to happen under their watch. They're the ones looking at the kids. They're the ones talking to the parents. Do they ask what are your kids eating? I mean, are they still eating 12 to 16 teaspoons of sugar a day? Well, obviously if the kid kid's obese or overweight, obviously they're eating, you know, that type of foods of processed foods and an empty calorie carbs. So the doctors, it's this, this happened, you know, in adults too. It happened on her doctor's watches. I, they're the ones that see it. And you look at your doctors. How many of your doctors are overweight or even obese? Um, so I have to, you know, it's, I, I have to get a lot of blame to the doctors.

Chad: 15:48 Yeah, I think, I think there's a, I feel like there's a giant elephant in collective room of our country and the health state of our. And nobody's addressing it. And not, not nobody, but for some reason they can't seem to get the, the take the ground or, or get the pedestal that's needed to say to say like, here's, look at this elephant that were all ignoring and we're worried about all of these other things like soybean patterns and, you know, all of that that really get the attention of the federal government. But the obese state of our children is just not. And you know, that's one thing that I did love about a first lady, Michelle Obama. She really, really tried to show some of the things about, I mean that, that has two sides to it as well. But, um, I just really loved that she tried to take that on and draw attention to the, to the health state of our children.

Eric: 16:48 Yeah. And, and in, and I think it's key, but you know, so much of it now, while I have to say the American Heart Association, they just came out or they have, I think 2017 said recommended six teaspoons of sugar a day for your child. And, and then on soda, sugary drinks, eight ounces per week. So I have to say, well hey, that's a drop. The average was 12 to 16 teaspoons for, for children per day. That's mixed in cereals and processed food and all that kind of stuff. It's not just eating teaspoons of sugar but it's there. But Soda, I mean Soda is just. I mean when I go into the gas station down the little stores and I see these kids do these 52 ounces, I think that's what those are. Those big things. She has failing it up full of coke and mountain dew on our. Always look to see if they got the diet button pushed you and the parents are right next to him and the parents are getting the same drink. And I'm like oh my gosh. In my wife, Oh I just looked at me and she says, stop it. Don't say nothing, just it. And I wouldn't, but I wanted, I wanted, I want to get in there and I'm kind of have an intervention but I can't do that.

Chad: 18:18 I was going to tell them, well, a very similar story because, you know, we've been, you and I've been talking about this topic over the last week and we knew we were going to record, um, before I say that I do want to make it clear, I am not of the opinion that it's the government's job to decide what's healthy for us. I realize now that I said that about, uh, Michelle Obama and all that it is, it's the parents' job. It's the doctor's jobs that are with these children in person. I mean, that's where the burden lies. Uh, unfortunately, um, the, the u s government creates some really radical incentives for the doctors and the parents to do things that aren't healthy for their children. And so, um, that's unfortunate and I think it needs to be fixed at that level, but I don't think the buck stops there. So I wanted to make that perfectly clear. The story is an experience that I wanted to share is, you know, I've been thinking about this topic and we went to the movies last night as a family. We went and saw free Solo. Oh yeah, yeah, that's an incredible movie. For me it was a movie much more about psychology than rock climbing. So if you, if you're, if you're interested in how the human brain thinks and works, you really got to go see this movie about Alex Honnold Free Solo. That's my plug for it. It is a great movie. Oh Man. It's incredible. It's about him free soloing El Capitan in yellowstone, yellowstone, Yosemite. And uh, but, but it's much more to me it was much more about his psyche and the psyche of those around him and it's just incredible. Anyway, we went to the movies and I was, I guess just because of my heightened awareness for this recording, I was noticing the kids coming into the theater with the snacks and now Eric, I don't know, you're, you're a bit older than me, but, and I don't know what the movie experience was like when you were a kid, but when I was a kid we would go and we would get a small bag of popcorn that was usually filled to about half and there was this paper bag, right? The white paper bag with the red and said popcorn on it and um, and if we were able to get a soda, it was a small soda that was probably equivalent to the smallest cups I have right now in our kitchen. And uh, and that's what we got as a snack at the, at the movie theater now I noticed last night, kid after kid coming into that, into that theater with a tray and what I would assume to be the second or the largest, a tub of popcorn and these refillable 30 to 52 ounce sodas that they own the cups so that every time they come back to the movie theater, they can get as many free refills as they want of these sodas. Yeah. I was blown away. I mean I just, I realized that this is not news to anybody, but man, this is where we're at now and it's a problem.

Eric: 21:24 You're right. It's amazing. I mean, and in my day movies, same thing, just a little bit of popcorn. And if I wanted money for anything else or we went there, my mom would say no. We had dessert tonight. After dinner, that was, what was the, the only thing we'd get with cake or pie or whatever she made for dessert. After dinner we eat nothing sweet all day long. As I'm talking about grammar school. It got worse as I got into junior high and high school we got, you know, more available. But if cookies and different things. But as, as you know, grammar kid, uh, no, it was always wait, wait for dinner, you get dessert at dinner, don't touch anything. And I think that was fantastic for my first 10 years of my life. I think it was great. Then after that the seventies came and then everything changed. But, you know, it's, when you think about it, is keto safe for kids or is, is it? But think about ancestrally, uh, will you, we were all keto. Think about, you know, 100,000 years ago or longer, what, what options did we have kids and adults when we always say, you know, feast or famine, you know, three, five days without food. I'm sure parents, if they had anything left, they probably preserve it for their kids to keep, you know, to, to keep them going. But obviously the kids would go without food too. So obviously ketosis has been around, you know, that's where we came from. We wouldn't be here if ketosis wasn't here because the survival of the fittest would not have made it. And so, so basically when you go back to that meat and you know, of course, you know, plant foods and veggies and maybe a fruit here and there, some berries or something or some nuts and seeds. But ancestrally this is what we come from. We didn't have every two hour feeding and all these carbs and cookies and cakes and candies and chips and you know, fast food. It wasn't there, it wasn't available. And so you think about ancestrally, course it's safe for kids because that's where it came from. So I mean, I guarantee you those kids went through five. Do you know feast or famine? Did they fasted for three, five days? And you know, what's neat about it is this ketosis thing, it doesn't kick in because you know, like, uh, you know, obviously nutrient deprivation, calorie restriction, food starvation, that's of course now we know in adults so that how it kicks in, you reduce it to a certain points, but you have to remember that, you know, in, in infants and in, in a fetus, and that developing fetus infant ketones are essential as a major fuel and also a main substrate for liquid, you know, brain, limpid synthesis also for the development of the brain because there wasn't, you know, there's insufficient glucose so it meets its brains energy, you know, through the fetus in the infant. And so I have to, you know, a child is born, the brain's dependence on Ketosis is, is there, and it's, it's made sustainable because in infants are born with this state of Mild Ketosis, I think it's like zero point two to zero point five and you're thinking what? So after birth, Ketosis is present, regardless of whether an infant has just been fed or whatever. Because we have those, uh, mid chain fatty acids that come obviously from the mother's breast milk and it actually the infant takes that in and actually goes into what we call the adipose fat tissue stores. And so it can be used for days or weeks later and, and they have that, um, uh, advantage of storing the fatty acids which are mid chain which converts ketone for a later use. So we're fetus and in an infant, it's there, it's part of brain development. Wait, we've got to have obviously fatty acids in the brain. Very critical. So, so we, we start out that way and now we switch it on them. That's right. We started saying, Oh, you can't have fat, you know, as an m for you, you, you start switching it. And remember this, the cellular membranes and I've talked about before, so critical about about fat, it's, you remember the brain is 60 percent fat by dry weight and the membrane has 25 percent cholesterol and it's got all the other fast fatty acids and we need saturated fat is 50 percent of your membrane and it's for fluidity. Remember, you got to keep a balance of these fats so you, you don't want it to fluid or you don't have to rigid, so you got to keep a balanced, you know, basically, you know, it's kind of like all of, you know, maybe avocado oil or olive oil consistency. So there's proteins in there that need to stay stable that are actually attached to the membrane. And also that lipid peroxidation I keep preaching about, you've got to have a saturated fat because just real quick, you know, you thought of it on liquid products that dation, you know, that's the free radical damage in the membrane and what fats caused that saturated fat. You cannot have lipid peroxidation it doesn't go that route because there's no double bonds. And then a mono and saturated fat has one double bond it still can't oxidized into free radicals. The only ones that do it are the two bonds or more, which are polyunsaturated fats. Those are the things they get oxidized. So fat is essential, you know, as far as the membrane in the brain and ketones in Beta play a big role in that. So anyway, I didn't mean to get off their but, you know, because that's part of the deal that they don't want kids eating fat because fat makes you fat and it's not good for you. But as far as the cellular membrane there, it's critical to have these fats and obviously you want to lower the polyunsaturated omega six is, those are the ones, those are the fats to get oxidized. That's the free radicals that happened. They're not saturated or a mono. So it's just part of the structure is very. Fats are important and parents have got away from that because this is what we've been taught.

Chad: 27:34 Hey Eric, this is a great spot to pause and just talk really quick about bioStak if that's okay. Yeah. Great. Um, so I love talking about bioStak because of the feedback that we're getting from people who are using bioStak and a couple of weeks ago we shared an experience of somebody who is using bioStak experience, some weight loss and these, this feedback. And there's these messages were just getting constantly every day about the way the BioStak is stack is changing people's lives, both for their mental clarity, for their weight loss or keto experience. And now fasting, fasting. I mean, right now we're in the middle of the fasted state and oh shoot, I can't say that. And now fasting. We just completed a, our second session of fast and state, all of the participant participants of which are, we're using BioStak throughout their fast and loving it. So it's a great, fasting companion as well. Um, but really quick, I just want to tell, what is it about bioStak that helps throughout the fast. How does bioStak, even if it's intermittent fasting, if it's just, you know, a 16 hour fast or a three day fast or 24 hour fast, what is it in, in BioStak that's, that's a great company that makes it a great companion with fasting.

Eric: 28:56 Yeah, I think it's a great companion. Even intermittent fasting or even like my seven day fast, I, I always have my bioStak and remember it in the bioStak. It's the synergy that we're dealing with, you know, all the way from Broccoli sprouts, curcumin, milk thistle, Ashwagandha, and asks anthem, and so we're going to get the benefit even know what the antioxidant, especially how strong ss anthemis. So during that time, you know, you're not eating your, you know, your, you're moving still, or you might be exercising, but remember cellular respiration, you're not delivering the energy substrates coming from dietary to the Mitochondria, which will create more free radicals. You're obviously producing energy coming from within fatty acids and ketones. Alright? So basically you are lowering your reactive oxygen species by fasting. All right? But also you all, I'll have the antioxidants there to even double that power. Okay? And you have milks. So during that time, it's a liver detox. So you're obviously, your liver is getting some rest obviously. So you're not taking in all these foods to go through the liver. You're actually going do a little liver detox, lower some inflammation it, it's going to improve the liver enzymes during that time. Uh, you got curcumin there, which is fantastic. You know, one of the greatest fighter chemicals out there. And they're very anti-inflammatory against any type of inflammation, you know, during that time, just kind of a cleanup. It's anti viral bacterial, a brain health. During that time, of course we jump over to Broccoli sprouts. You got. So for fame, which is you're taking that, it's going to really activate the nerve to. So your antioxidant defense system from within, it's going to be activated. So there is a lot of cleanup going on during that. atophagy you're regenerating, you're breaking down your in catabolic state. So it's nice to have that there with it. So overall it's just a great addition to add to your fast. Um, and I, those that have fasted with it and have fasted before without it. Uh, so far I've gotten all positive that wow, this fast was so much different. And the only difference that they did was they included the bioStak in it and including my seven day versus the other seven day, I couldn't understand why, why things are so much a better. So I have to attribute it to, to the bioStak.

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Eric: 31:58 It can look the same. So basically, you know, there's myths out there that you had a lot of parents are going to read about. And one thing I like to say is, you know, with, with kids, it is nutritional eating, not a diet. Once you mentioned the word Diet to a kid, I mean one, it's negative sounding for sure. Oh I need to be on this Keto diet big time. Get rid of that word and just say, hey, this is nutritional. But you know, there was things in the past, it stunts your growth, but that was due to with with epilepsy and seizures in those, those polyunsaturated, different oil drinks and things like that. And you know, obviously growth comes from what not starchy carbs that have no vitamins and minerals and processed food, fast food and cookies and soda and cake comes from nutrient dense food. That's what you eat on keto. That's why I'm pro keto cause you're eating nutrient dense food. You're just eliminating like Dr. say 50 percent of your calories per kid should come from carbohydrates. Okay, fine. Well it's taken a standard American diet and eliminate all the empty calorie carbs. Okay? All the sugar, cookies, sweets, whatever that they're eating, get rid of that. And what are you left with? Maybe 15, 20 percent of healthy carbs? Well, those other carbs, you didn't do that. I mean obviously if it's a glycogen glucose situation for energy, I won't even go there because I've been on that topic so much. So there's nothing to it. The kids have plenty of energy being Anketa with, with Beta and everything else. Fatty acids as fuel. So that's not an issue and you know, they always say, Oh, you need glucose for the brain. Now let's not go there. Uh, I can spend time on that too. So there is some out there that doctors will still bring up missing food groups, you know, like your carb. Okay. Fruit, yes, we do lower the fruit consumption with your kids. So we lower the fructose. Uh, obviously too much fructose has talked about a fatty acid liver disease, um, you know, that comes under the fructose overconsumption, you know, the berries, they're fantastic fruit for kids, so you have to use, you know, lower the carbs, you know, if you want to go, you know, 50 and under. I mean that's parents have to, you know, you know, the kids obviously are going to enjoy going to have some of the Beta hydroxybutyrate molecule to be in Ketosis, but just getting the carbs to a hundred to 150 with the right amount of fats and, and moderate and protein because the kids are growing. There is growth there, but there's plenty of nutrients to take care of that.

Chad: 34:31 So let's, we could obviously bust myths. Oh yeah, right, right. I mean, yeah. And, and anybody who has any sort of platform is putting out an opinion on this. And so that would be a, that would be a, an an unconquerable feat I think. Yeah. So let's talk about, can you give me some, give us some examples of some healthy carbs for kids.

Eric: 34:55 Yeah, I mean all, all your vegetables. I mean, you know, and that's the thing that we want. We want nutrient dense carbohydrates and if you took your kids daily, like I said, and say what's the empty garbage carbs that they're eating, takeaway that they're not even getting the nutrient dense vegetables because they think they're eating, you know, they didn't macaroni and cheese, they're eating all these foods that are processed chicken nuggets and, and you know, keep eating crackers and cookies. And I've seen my own kids serve their kids some dinners that I might. When I do a quick scan I'm like, there is nothing there but maybe two bites of green beans. And so I think the hard part is, you know, with all the vegetables and nuts and seeds, avocados and things like that, that the kids, um, should be consuming. They're not getting it because they're filling up on empty carb food on garbage, carbs. So once kids get adapted to that and parents have to be creative, you've got to make your veggies tastes good. I mean, obviously there's many ways you can add cheese to them in different toppings. And, and, and to make the vegetables more, uh, you know, a more exciting, it's more exciting to eat. Um, and that's up to parents and there's so many. What's so neat about keto now is just as far as treats and those kinds of things that kids like, I don't know, I've tried this with my grandkids and I give them a, a keto cookie versus just a regular sugar cookie. And they don't even know that it's a keto cookie. They do not. There's no difference. And you know, I'm sure years ago it's like, there was nothing but there is so much, you know, my wife picks up cupcakes every Saturday from a truck. And you cannot taste the difference from these keto cupcakes to regular cupcakes. And that's her thing. I, I personally, I'm not into them, but she, she gets him every Saturday and she makes them last, you know, three, four days. And the kids have tasted the grandkids. They're like, is this Keto? And they can't believe it. So it's really easy now I think, and I have a couple clients that their kids are doing Keto and they love it. Their energy, their cognition as far as their homework. And they're kidding. The essential fatty acids that they weren't getting before. They're getting, you know, the essential amino acids, the proteins, the meats and the cheeses and different things. You're getting good amino acids from a good, good, a nutrient dense protein and show their, their carbs are all coming from healthy carbs. I mean, it's. So, it's really a no brainer when you think about it.

Chad: 37:34 We've had. So we've had a lot of success with smoothies, spinach, smoothies, ideal our kids, our kids love them. And it's because we tried and we tested and we researched how to make them taste good without compromising the, um, you know, compromising the, the, the nutritional value. And so for us it's a, it's a almond butter, Cacao spinach and an almond milk mixture and it, and the kids love it. They begged for it for breakfast because it's easy and they can just drink it as they're going out the door on the way to school. They feel great that they don't know why. They feel great, they feel great. There's a ton of energy. They're getting their daily green vegetables right back in that smoothie. And it's incredible. It's so good. And then we don't have the green vegetable fight throughout the rest of the day event. And so I just say that finding systems that work for your family and putting some time into figuring out how to make these things taste in a way that the kids like them. Now, the other thing that we've been really conscious about is that our kids don't really, I mean they know dad does a keto podcast. They know he eats keto, you know, all of that kind of stuff, but they don't necessarily know that they're eating keto and I, and for me that was important. I don't need my children to obsess about food or like you were saying, a diet quote unquote a diet. It's just the way we eat or eating healthy and, and we're eating clean and, and that's all they know. And so psychologically I want them to focus on themselves, school friends and all of that kind of stuff. And not this, you know, not be that kid that's doing keto or whatever.

Eric: 39:27 And that's a good point you bring up because you know you have to make it sustainable, especially for your kids. So if your kids are going to a party and there's pizza and cake, are you going to say no you, you, you take this, you take this bag with you and you eat this while they're eating that or as a grandparent I would say enjoy your pizza, enjoy your cake. And then and tell parents have to observe what the kids are doing away from home. If they're going keto and they're at school stuff and down pizza and all the candy they could get their hands on, you need to, you need to have good communication, but you've got to maintain the kids social. There's a sure. And I'm always trying to make things sustainable, you know, that's, that's key a. and if the kids grow up like this and now like I did growing up with liver and things like it was just expected not to have to enjoy everything on my plate. The food was, you know, my parents are always telling me this is what you need, this is for nutrition. And then I had to eat it. I didn't have a choice. I see my kids, you know, with the, with my grandkids, they used them like, have a smorgasbord. Um, what do you want? I don't want that for dinner, make me this or make me. They don't do that anymore. But it was like, what is this a buffet, what, what's put in front of you? You don't have an option. But. So let's go.

Chad: 40:56 Let's move. I, I can feel a lot of people who are listening to this conversation are going to be asking you naturally go to, okay, so are we actually counting macros with our children and are we testing Beta and um, I know that you've run into some hiccups as we, as we enter into this area of, of talking about this and I want to address that a little bit even though we don't have great answers for people that do want to address the topic. And so I'll just say for me, from my experience and what I've decided to do as a parent, um, we have decided to just, just now we've started showing our 12 year old, um, macros and, and what they're, what her food is made up of it. And then letting her come to some conclusions about what is good and what isn't good. Um, as far as you know, and share with her the science that I know. Um, but also I, I'm, we're, I think we're just now feeling comfortable at that age to introduce this idea of looking at labels and reading macros and paying attention to that. I definitely don't have her on my fitness pal, I don't, you know, none of that kind of stuff. I think that's too much and I was even hesitant at 12 to introduce tracking macros. I just don't, I don't want there to be a chance of introducing any kind of eating disorders or eating dysmorphia or any of that kind of stuff. Um, and so we're just, we're just playing with it right now. However, I'll say with my nine year old and our five-year-old, we are absolutely not discussing macros. We're not discussing beta any of that kind of stuff. And so to me that's just my personal experience. You probably have an opinion on it as well. Um, but what, what are your thoughts on tracking macros for kids and then testing?

Eric: 42:49 I think macros are really easy, um, to um, as a metric to follow it with kids, especially because they're only going to eat what you have in your house. I don't know any kids that are going to the grocery store, I don't know any kids that are buying their own groceries. So they're only gonna eat what macros you have in the house. All right? So if you limit, you know that the carb garbage, carb macros and things like that, then honestly you really don't have to track anything because you know, the foods in your house or new nutritional dense foods, you have protein and carbohydrates and fats. Um, so I, I would, you know, definitely I'm, I'm a numbers guy of course. And even my wife said, oh my gosh, if we had little kids right now, you'd be testing their beta in her blood sugar every morning and he was in this little little Guinea pigs for experiments, which I probably would use a little bit, but I'm really curious about kids. I would love to study it, you know, with kids with, uh, with Beta hydroxy molecule to see, you know, how their Beta works, you know, with carbs. But remember kids are insulin sensitive. Okay. You don't start losing that till later on. Become a little more resistant so they can, they can actually absorb and utilize higher carbs. So that's a good thing for you, Chad. With younger kids you can increase their carb so you know, like a fruit or whatever you want to do or a snack or something like that, but just monitor and see where, you know, where their cutoff is kind of. But that's a neat thing. Kids are insulin sensitive and if, if they can handle more carbs than we can, and so I would definitely play with it as a parent and you know, just praying in just good healthy carbs and protein and fats. They may not be in Ketosis, but the benefit is, is phenomenal. Their body's going to learn how to burn fat as a fuel source because you actually brought down, you know, the, the glucose and you know, obviously they're going to have glycogen gluconeogenesis. You don't have to worry about, about those issues. Um, they're going to have plenty of, of, of fuels as far as glucose. Um, but I think it's, I think it'd be really exciting to work with kids and I wish I had kids who were young enough to try like you have. And I think you're right on. Just get rid of that idea that, that this is a sacrifice like a diet and they, you know, you're worried about their weight or those kinds of issues. Just it. And I think the more you educate them like you are when you learn macros and why, why, what it does for your body, I think people will be more prone to, to eat better.

Chad: 45:37 Oh absolutely. I mean, education always changes behavior, right? I mean that's the, that is the only thing really that changes behavior other than

Eric: 45:45 I laughed because I keep trying to tell my wife that. She's like, no, that's why I'm married to you. You just tell me what I should eat before

Chad: 45:58 in a form. That's education, right? I mean you're, you're teaching her taking the information you have in teaching or how to apply.

Eric: 46:07 She cares because I'll ask her, do you know why you're eating that? She goes No, but I don't care. It's good.

New Speaker: 46:19 That's great. Well, this has been an excellent conversation. Is there anything. Anything else you want to make sure we talk about or you are, you get out there before we close this conversation on kids and

Eric: 46:29 I'm just excited about it with keto and bringing in the foods, you know, how many of our normal kids with Standard American diet are going all day without any good antioxidant. I mean, I'm sure they're getting some fruits and they're getting some things but good, you know, as far as nutrient dense foods with all the fat soluble vitamins that they're getting from the vegetables, you know, and um, you know, any of the, uh, anti-inflammatory nutrients and things like that. I, it just, I really think things are going turn and I think the obesity and overweight and the diabetes is just going to decline as parents become more diligent about getting the kids. And I see more parents that aren't keto at all, that are really doing great with their kids on getting rid of the empty calorie, crappy carbs. And I think that's just the big key right there and bringing some good, healthy fat.

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