11/14/18 E63 Beta and it’s Effect on Happiness (Non-Traditional Anti-Depressants)

Today's episode is a little bit different. The guys are expanding upon the topic of health and well-being by exploring the concept of happiness. We live in an age when, generally speaking, we tend to have more wide-spread prosperity than any other time in history. But, our sense of contentment and happiness isn't quite keeping up. So the guys take on the science of the body AND mind by discussing what makes us happy.

Eric is in the midst of a carb-up (for another self-experiment).

Finding happiness through health.

Where does happiness really come from?

What is the difference between happiness and pleasure?

Chad shares his personal journey of seeking happiness through adventure.

The number one indicator of happiness.

Recognize and label non-traditional anti-depressants.

The science of beta and it's effect on happiness.

And finally, homework! Chad has an assignment for the listeners (it's one you'll want to do...)

As the guys discuss in this episode, mental well-being has a lot to do with opening up the neurotransmitters in the brain to better receive our personal happiness signals.

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Chad: 00:00 Attaching our happiness or defining our happiness with every day little things that we can find happiness in and that remind us to be grateful and happy in where we are today. No matter no matter where that is no matter what we're doing said journey begins in a single step or in my case. One last piece of bread. My name is chad and I'm a seeker. I have sought out an expert in the field of nutrition and fitness. I hope would help me feel better. They called the biohacker but I call them Eric. I hope you'll join me in a path that leads you and I to Optimal Fitness the body and the mind as we live our life. Kudos. This is the life in ketosis podcast a bio hackers guide to optimal body performance. Hello everyone. My name is chad and this is my quest to achieving the healthy state of being with the man that can get me there my mentor and cohost he has a science to my regular guy. The extreme testing to my I'll take your word for it. The bio hacker himself Mr. Eric Bischof somewhere along this journey of ours. I realize that feeling better is really one part physical and one part mental and both are needed to achieve the optimal state of being what I call keto happiness or ketosisness. And today Eric we're doing something a little bit different. Before I introduce today's topic How are you?

Eric: 01:40 I''m doing good. Doing good. I know I am doing alright. Yeah yeah I'm coming off that I'm on my ninth day of carb up cyclical keto you might say. So I'm doing that test on my blood work tomorrow actually. So I've had an unhappy nine days you might say is it not placebo that I swear it's not placebo even my wife's like hurry up and end this and get back in ketosis. You know you've been cranky and crabby and this and that and now I know it's it's been awful really and I'm trying to not take the mental and say no not just me thinking I'm not in beta. And this this this but I actually my drive to work out my motivation. Even my walks in my runs and I'm just dragging myself to get through it. And I'm like this is really strange. But anyway I'm happy.

Chad: 02:45 You just said your unhappy.

Eric: 02:47 You know you're opposed to say you're happy even when you're unhappy. I've been through all those days. But now this is an interesting topic. You know this is you. This is you Chad. Yes so and this is probably something I need more so I'm learning here too. OK.

Chad: 03:04 This is something that we all need and in the past you and I have talked about it and I've mentioned here and there that I do a lot of betterment personal betterment work and do some coaching for people more. It's more around mindset and going after things and creating a life that we want. And and I try to practice as much of that stuff myself as as well. And so today we're going to divert a little bit from the science of Ketogenics. Yes but we are Eric I promise you we're going to bring it right back to keto. So I'm going to make you proud with how I bring this thing full circle.

Eric: 03:39 So you back to you know it truly it's going to tie in. Because in all my coaching it's all you know I'm working. Health Health Health and hopefully through health will bring you happiness. All right. Because it's a change of lifestyle. But so many I can get the health really gone the nutrition is going really good. But there's still that big hurdle of being happy and and I I always used to think well nutrition will make you happy which I really believe that. But it only goes so far. So the rest of it is beyond my scope. Hey I'm 62 years old and I still get unhappy so I'm still learning so.

Chad: 04:22 So we're going to talk about happiness today and we're going to talk about maybe some ways that could be helpful for people to find some happiness. I was reading an article actually a couple of days ago and this is what sparked this and I just actually just released a YouTube video on my YouTube channel as well talking through some of the things we're going to talk about today. So I'm happy that this is going to kind of couple that. But I was reading this article and they surveyed 100 people. They did this multiple times and they asked people pretty open endedly what is it if you could choose one thing to have more of in your life. What would it be. One thing. What do you think the majority of people said is that happiness is happiness right. Happiness was about 87 percent. On average in these groups that they surveyed so eighty seven people out of 100 are wanting more happiness in their life. Now there's a couple of things at play here. I mean there's there's might be an illusion of maybe this happiness that people think things out there somewhere that they're not achieving. You bet. And maybe that's not necessarily the case but maybe it is. Or maybe they're looking at it or not recognizing it in the wrong places. And that's my that's my that's my contention. That's kind of my point of this whole conversation that you and I are going to have is that I believe that we're looking for happiness in the wrong places. And if we can realign that and just adjust that through some practice we can find it more readily available to us. How does that sound. Sounds really good. That sound right sounds good. OK good. So I'm just start off I'm going to ask you a few questions.

Eric: 06:09 That's not good. You get to ask me all these questions.

Chad: 06:15 So my first question is do you think. Do you believe there is one thing universally that makes people happy?

Eric: 06:27 One thing one of many things are just like?

Chad: 06:31 You think there is a universal cause of happiness across all humankind?

Eric: 06:41 You know I have to go with love. OK. I go with love. I mean true love not. You know I'm one of these guys always say this. There's different levels of love because Arabe said I love you I love you I love you and I can't say if I love you if I don't know you. That's just coming from me. OK. That could have a love for you as a brother or sister and I care about you. But I think obtaining real real love for people and not a partner or spouse or whatever. Children I think love I go with love.

Chad: 07:17 If you have to pick something that's a great it's a great answer. I think I think it's a really good answer. But you can you can take that and you can apply it to other scenarios right where you can say well what if someone you really love passes away tragically. Is that love. Now a source of happiness.

Eric: 07:38 Happiness. That's good. You're right. All right.

Chad: 07:42 So my point is is that I don't think there is a universal source of happiness. Basically what happens is happiness becomes a figure of our imagination. Now a lot of times when you say that it's when I say that a lot of people are like oh well that's even more depressing. Here. My my argument is that's actually what makes happiness amazing is because we get to choose day in and day out. What brings us happiness because we imagine that our happiness is attached to that thing that activity that thought feeling great. All of that kind of stuff which is pretty incredible. It's also can be incredibly damaging. I mean there's some people in the world that believe happiness comes from you know self sacrificing and killing killing other people and sacrificing yourself in in in the actual world. Right. And they believe true happiness comes from that. Or you know so you can see how this can go either way. It's just powerful it's not good or bad it's just powerful. And so I want people to keep in mind as we go through this conversation and I hope I haven't lost people already. I hope as we go through this conversation people can remember none of this is good or bad. We're not we're not attaching a moral compass to it we're just saying it's powerful. This practice of understanding happiness.

Eric: 09:14 Yes I agree. Finding happiness can lead you to unhappiness. So there's that tradeoff. You've got to commit yourself because a lot of people fear happiness and that's what keeps them from being happy as they fear the unknown of the afterward the unhappiness that they could experience. Yeah that's a good point.

Chad: 09:34 Right. And so let me ask you this. What in your life right now. Makes you happy?

Eric: 09:44 He's there's there's a lot of things that bring me the little things are what's making me happy now because I'm I'm going to be 63. And yes there is many years where I got caught up in the rat race and just go go go from you know that's what I was taught get up at 5:00 start your day work work work work obtain obtain obtain support support support. It was a battle and I got really caught up into it because I thought people basically was judging me by my successes and my finances and what I my possessions say my treasures. And so it was being caught up in that world for a lot of years. And like I always said you never stop to smell the roses or appreciate anything but what you were driven to thinking that was going to obtain happiness for yourself and others. And then what actually makes me happy. Over the years I finally learned is to let go of everything to actually. And I called my appreciation runs or My gratitude walks or whatever I label it to where I actually had it. And I remember when it happened I was in my 50s where I had a ha moment where I didn't know who I was. And I really didn't know who I was. I was competing and doing this and Family and Fatherhood and brother you know everything I did. I really didn't know I did not know who it was. I was Eric of what others opinions of me were. And all I'm going to say is when I learn to let go of the opinions of others of me where it was none of my business. I finally started to be happy in my life. That's just coming from me. I that's what made me happy. That is what makes me happy when I let go of that and actually try to have an opinion of myself and not people's opinion of me controlling my life.

Chad: 11:51 So yeah that's interesting. Was it easy?

Eric: 11:54 No. No. Because once I let go that the opinions of others was what was motivated me to do some things. And you know as ego you know competitiveness and I got to tame this to go for the accolades for that get praise for that to get compliments for this. And it it was a driving force. And then when you let go of that the motivation factor I mean there's a lot things that motivate us the motivation factor dropped. Now like wait I'm going to do this because I wanted to I really want to do this. Then I start to learn what I really wanted to do and be and and what made me happy. And so that was really it was a big wake up call. It was a huge wakeup call and I still fall in that trap a little bit because you know we still it takes it takes time to actually let go of that you know and not you know you want your kids to be proud of you you want your. You know there's a lot of things that they still put you up on. So it's still a battle but no I started being I truly started finding happiness when when I let that go. That was my path was you.

Chad: 13:06 You're mature. And so you're wise. I'm not sure that all you still care. No I just think your answer to that was very wise I thought there was a lot of wisdom in there a lot of people that I coach interact with especially entrepreneurs or small business owners or people who have big ideas but don't know how to get there. Those are the people I work with mostly in the coaching and kind of mentor realm. And a lot of them are my age or younger. I'm 35 and so I get a lot of answers of like you know when I when I land that deal I get to do you know when I achieve that goal. When I when I find that girl or that person and you know and it's a meaningful relationship. And those are all great. Those are good things to find happiness in. But we'll come back to that. Those are really really big things and they don't happen often. No. Right. And so I'm going to leave that right there to think about that for a minute. So I have another question for you. OK. And you haven't thought about this and this is all coming from Chad. I'm on the spot. I'm having so much fun.

Eric: 14:22 He text me last night and said hey I've been working on this topic. Here it is as at 9 930 at night. I'm already in bed and my happiness and I look at my wife I'm like am I happy because I don't know that you have to answer that question.

Chad: 14:36 What would you say. Just off the cuff what would you say the difference between happiness and pleasure is?

Eric: 14:43 Both a state of mind. OK. I cannot take them together like pleasure joy satisfaction happiness kind of grouped those together in my own mind. I kind of I get kind of grouping together yeah kind of group pleasure and happiness.

Chad: 15:07 And so if they're group together do you always do you always have happiness when you have pleasure and you always have pleasure when you have happiness?

Eric: 15:18 You know I probably never thought about it to tell you the truth. I went when I feel pleasure. I'm at peace. Maybe that's where I'm getting at. I have peace of mind and that's happiness to me yeah. So pleasure would bring me peace of mind and happy. You know it's kind of working together I think for me. Yeah. Having not given much thought.

Chad: 15:42 Yeah yeah that's great. So for me I kind of categorize them because just for the use of language because language is really important language we use around this stuff if we want to understand it and we really want to be able to check in with ourselves and be mindful of where we're at languages the only way the only tool we have to do that. Really. There's a few other tools but those are really advanced and those are really kind of just ominous. You know not a lot of people understand them. So for me pleasure is something that's much more physical. I feel feel that you're right. Or I can win in those moments when something seemingly good happens to me. And I feel that dopamine release in my brain and I feel that like kind of jitteriness and you know the butterflies in my stomach for me that that seems like pleasure but I like what you said and I feel the same way happiness for me is much more of a contentment. Yeah. And it doesn't. I don't need those butterfly jitters I don't need that dopamine hit. It's just a state of being OK. It's ok everything. Yeah everything's happy everything's good. Good. Regardless of where things are going on in my life that scene that have been labeled negative what things are going on that are positive. Happiness is that flatlined middle place where it's just like yeah I can deal with those and I can build those. Right. So that's kind of how I separate them out and I think that language is helpful I asked my wife the same question last night as I was preparing for this conversation. And she she gave me an answer that was very very similar and I thought that was interesting. And I'm wondering if that definition or that distinction is helpful to people one even just to think about it because even like you said I don't think we think about that kind of. Right. Right. And my feeling pleasure right now because of something physical that happened to me or something you know some momentary big event happened. I think that's pleasure. And just the day to day being OK with the way things are and knowing you can handle them is happiness. Yeah. So I had we had an interesting experience this last summer which a lot of our listeners went on kind of the adventure with us where we starting in December of this year we built out we started building the school bus. And that was a result of this idea that we've had for years and years that if we were traveling full time we would be more happy. We would achieve more happiness if we were traveling full time because think about it you're seeing new things you're waking up in New places. Some people think that sounds like hell right. That sounds really good to me for us as adventurous and we're very spur of the moment and you know we love being in the outdoors and all that stuff like we thought what better way to live than to wake up in a different place every morning in the outdoors. I would think it's incredible. I want to do that with kids and it's a great idea and I think it was an incredible adventure. The problem was is that we attached a certain amount of happiness that we thought we would find there to that right. Right. This big event this huge change in our life is going to make bring us more happiness. And it didn't happen. You know we worked six months to build out this school bus and make it our home and we got out on the road. And guess what. There's difficulties out there just like there are and are not just not to say that we didn't have a good time not to say that we didn't bond as a family but it was hard. But the hardest realization was that we had attached this idea that happiness existed there through this large event.

Eric: 19:38 Now I mean it may. I'm just asking now were you when you made this plan. Where were you guys escaping something that you didn't have. Thinking this will be the answer of something that you're missing where you're where you left from. I don't know what the status was of your happiness or your wife but where you like. We're out of here?

Chad: 20:03 Yeah. Pretty interesting. So in that same article I'll answer your question in a roundabout way. So interestingly enough in that article that I've mentioned earlier about the survey that they did for people they surveyed people and they found out in a follow up that the number one indicator for happiness for people was a close sense of community. Right. Yes. So I can see that. So what's interesting is this dream to go full time on the road was kind of born out of Kate and I losing a community that we were really deep into. It was a faith community. And so we we no longer felt like that faith community was healthy for our family and kind of exited ourselves from that camp and through that I think there was this void that we did not recognize. And that loss of community did not compute to us as you know feeling that void or whatever. And so we were trying to find something that filled it for us. But I don't think anything could fill it except for digging into another community where we were a part of something bigger helping people. Giving service giving money to you know all of that stuff we just find meaning in that stuff and we didn't recognize that. So I think that the full time dream was an attempt to fill the void that the lack of community for us was creating that makes sense. So when you ask where were running from something I think we were I think we're running from ourselves a little bit because we didn't recognize who we were outside of this larger community that we had given so much to.

Eric: 21:57 OK. Now on your on your voyage. Yeah. What what made you happy out there. You were in the beautiful. I mean people loved nature like I do and I or again the falls are the lake that trail. Those are things that make me happy. OK. But you what. What made you happy. What happened.

Chad: 22:20 So it's interesting. So that's that's I think and we're going to come back because this is the principle that I'm in that I understood this principle. I knew this principle I've been teaching and coaching on this principle for years. I've close to six years I've had coaching clients that were kind of go through some of this stuff and this is a big one that comes up. So I understood it. I just didn't practice it. I didn't follow it. Basically meaning I thought this large event. It's a big event. This leaving this this going this adventure. I thought that was this large thing was because you and to pour down the happiness upon us and you put it out there.

Eric: 22:58 Yeah I mean you put it out. Yeah. To youtube your whole story and followers. So you had this big event that you are committed.

Chad: 23:10 And what we what we didn't realize is we define our own happiness and if it's if it's defined or over around a large event whether the event happens or not there is a moment of happiness in that in that event. But then it fades. Right. And so that's that's kind of the first thing is that when we attach our happiness we define our happiness by these really big things these really big goals and achievements and all that kind of stuff. It's fleeting and it's not there very often that.

Eric: 23:47 It reached the expectation and then surveyed it reached the absolutely yeah I wasn't laughing.

Chad: 23:54 Yeah absolutely. Absolutely. So that's so that's where we missed start practicing this principle was that we had attached it to this large event of leaving and traveling rather than what I'm going to talk about. Now he's moving into attaching our happiness or defining our happiness with every day little things that we can find happiness in and that remind us to be grateful and happy in where we are today. No matter no matter where that is no matter what we're doing right. So for me I'll just give a couple examples of these.

Eric: 24:34 It's kind of like how I teach event dieting that cruise the wedding the beach their bathing suit and reunion and then all of a sudden you get it and it fades. So it is just like event happiness that big. Yeah yeah. I could relate to.

Chad: 24:52 Yeah absolutely. And I want to be very clear lake happiness is a physical reaction. There are chemicals that are going through our brain. There's no hope. I mean right we get that waiting for us to get into how we're going to get science and you're going to take over a lot and that's what I want to make sure people are clear. But the brain is so powerful that we can train we can practice and train ourselves to attach that chemical reaction of dopamine to certain things. Oh yeah. Which is beautiful. That's really really cool. So. So for example some of the examples that I thought of and I've been trying to pay since we settled back down one of our two we have two really main goals. One is to dig back into a community that we really believe in that we can help with and we can contribute to and donate to and all that kind of stuff. So that's the first one. The second one is focusing on the things that can bring us happiness regardless of where we are whether we're in a we're settled into a small house in Orem Utah or were you know traveling abroad around the world these things could be found anywhere in any circumstance and attach our happiness to those. So for me it's like that first smell of coffee in the morning. I love the smell. But. But more than that I've attached a feeling of happiness to that moment right. The way that the sun pierces through the window and hits the wood floor and just looking at that and appreciating the sun appreciating that I have a clean wood floor you know. And a lot of this you'll notice like a pattern a lot of this is attached to gratitude. Yeah. And we think we're thankful for those things. And then it hits that dopamine in our brain and we can feel that happiness and we can breathe that in. But you notice that these things I can get those anywhere. Yeah. And it's repeatable in it's Floro often. Yeah it's like a daily sort of you what do you want to attach. My question is to you and to the audience or it's rhetorical and it's loaded. Right. So here's my loaded question for you. Do you want to attach your happiness to the big events that happen maybe once a year every six months every five years may never happen because you have no control over whether they're going to happen or not. Do you want to attach your happiness indicators to those events or do you want to attach those that same feeling of happiness to little things that happen every single day multiple times a day. No matter where you are?

Eric: 27:31 Of course means no question. And I pray. I've been practicing that Chad and we've had talks about it. Yeah. And I call it even this one of my biofitters and and she'll listen to this and she knows I said she's fasting and she's in her third day and she's a little low on energy and I told her I said exact they said at five Milamole. And I said go for a walk at work go for a walk. Let's use some of that beta and. Yes. Thank you all the gratitude that you have. Just for those that walk you know and it's amazing when you when you start doing that and I practice that next you know you're in a good mood because you are really gracious for the little things you know and those kind of things. Like you say those things matter. And it's daily. And you're not attaching as some big bigger event and you think is going to overwhelm me with happiness which we all know that yeah it's fleeting.

Chad: 28:32 Yeah I was listening I was listening to a podcast just yesterday actually with Alex Honl Do you know who he is. He's the free solo climber. Yeah. And he was talking about an injury that he got. He had sprained his ankle somehow or something like that. And you know the host was asking well you know that's got to be really hard for an athlete like yourself to have an injury like that especially you know you depend so much on your ankles. And I loved his response. His response was Actually I'm really grateful for it because every time now I'm training and I'm exercising and I'm healing that ankle. Every time I feel the pain down there I'm so grateful for my body. And it makes me so happy that I have this body that's fallible and very actually very fragile. And it's taken me to heights that I never would have imagined. You know I have used that he attached happiness to that to his sprained ankle which I just thought was such a good example of what they were talking about today. It's a different way to look at it. So one of the biggest points I want people to come away with besides finding happiness in the little everyday things. And that and knowing that you can create that regardless. I think we think of happiness as something that's like out there somewhere. And we've got to go hunt for it and find it and it's separate from us and then once we find it we can touch it and feel it and then we'll be happy. But I want people to understand it's something we create inside of us and that is very that's made very obvious when we look at people find happiness in different things. So the only way we can experience it is you know the only way we can explain that is that we create it not something out there for us to go find touch and then we have. Yes.

Eric: 30:25 Do you think and I talk to my wife about this. I told if we lived on a farm and we had no TV we had no billboards staring at us. We had no reality shows telling us everything coming at us telling if you have this you'll be happy you do this. You'll be happy. This car this house this vacation this cruise everything this is coming at all of us all the time and you don't have that means you're not happy and what you're visualizing them they're happy and you're not. And I said you know what the simple things in life would be a lot happier if we didn't have all these things trying to tell us to be happy. You have to have this and this is what kids are getting at. There's teenage and young years. And that's why I think depression is just you know does not get in depression we will we'll have your trio you'll bring back another podcast about this. Depression is rampant. I mean it is. And like I said I think I see more the highest numbers we've ever seen. Oh yeah I see more unhappy people than happy people now. And it's really sad. It is sad.

Chad: 31:27 It's an interesting point you bring up and we we can have a heart. We will have a hard time getting there right. So I come from the marketing world. Yes I am a videographer photographer and I have worked for other agencies and all that kind of stuff. And it's very explicit with any advertising campaign or effort that if they can convince you that your happiness they can define your happiness for you. They've been successful. Exactly. Think about that terrible if you think of it in the context of the conversation you and I are having right now that we get to define where happiness comes from. Do you have these marketing professionals and agencies and psychologists and all of these teams of people that are working so hard to define that for you. And that's why we're messed up. We have something working against that. But it's but it's powerful to know that we can take that. I agree. All right. And don't allow it. So where I want to go with this. We're running we're we're running short on time. What I want to leave are our listeners and our friends with is this idea of nontraditional antidepressants. So you brought up depression. We've been talking about happiness. I'm not convinced depression is the opposite of happiness. I do think however it affects our ability to feel and create our happiness. Yes. Right. And so I love this idea of I'm reading a book right now that's all about depression and antidepressants. It's not antidepressant at all. As far as medications go I'm not antidepressants. I think they're they're useful in circumstances and each person has to judge that for themselves. However the thing I love that he talked about in this book was non-traditional antidepressants. So when you and I did the review of that documentary the magic pill we talked about how they said in the documentary it's so amazing how we can go to a doctor now and for some ailment for God or whatever. And immediately the doctor wants to go to prescriptions or you know that kid stuff without ever even asking What's your diet what are you eating. Yeah. What do you think. Into your body. Right. Same thing is I think there's so many mental health professionals that are going straight to antidepressants without asking What's nontraditional antidepressants are you using. Meaning no exercise. Yeah it is Rickel movement nutrition sunlight relationships community these are all non-traditional antidepressants and we're not taking part of them. You know in community a lot of people we work so much and we're busy and all that kind of stuff. Well your work is a community can be a community. But it's not a lot of times it's not one that you're coming to. Choice with that you really believe in and that fulfills you and so we need to find that community we need to find the time to be outside in the sun. Take a walk like what you are talking about. Take a walk for lunch. You know all of that kind of stuff. So I love the idea of recognizing these things as antidepressants and labeling them as such. Because if we could as a whole start labeling these things as antidepressants. It's great that people would start utilizing the right.

Eric: 34:58 Yeah specially if you know they put a lot of faith in their doctor. OK especially the doctors say Hey let's start here. OK let's start here and before we you know take into the drugs and go that route which is simple. You know we all talk about the magic bullet everybody's looking for that pill just to say hey I love life. I'm ready. But you know amazing that when I think about it and in growing up I remember when I wanted things my mom would always say you don't need them you don't need that. And I learned later on that I didn't need what I think that what I wanted. But now today when you talk to people I think more they're unhappy because the wants they're not getting. If they just get back to what you need because you realize you really whatever you wanted you really didn't need it. You were unhappy. You got that or depressed. And I think that's just my opinion I did see a lot of people suffering that that issue that lead right to the doctors said I'm unhappy. Yeah.

Chad: 36:02 Make me happy you know there's actually a bell curve on on the scale of happiness. They've done studies about it and I wish I could. I wish I could cite it but there's this bell curve where obviously when you're when your basic needs aren't being met you're very unhappy. And then as you start to get your basic needs of relationships all that kind of stuff it climbs. And then as you get past that point of like comfortable you need them and it starts to go into more of like complicated things a lot of money all of you know boats and big houses want the wants and all that ahead of the curve goes back down on us.

Eric: 36:43 It's very very interesting if that's because all the treasures you see do you become a slave to those treasures. Protect your investments you've got to protect your assets your your toys you've got to maintain them you've got to maintain your house. I wonder if you now you become a slave. You thought wow this is happiness

Chad: 37:04 and don't get me wrong I don't want any of you wrong. I have nothing wrong with wealth. Nothing I don't know running things nothing at all but it's what it's the meaning that we attach to those things. And I think that's what we see in that bell curve. Right. And so anyway this last couple minutes I want to turn it over to you because I want to land with beta beta because beta is obviously a brain fuel that allows us to feel some of these things more intensely. Happiness it it opens up those neurotransmitters. All of that kind of stuff. So what role is beta playing

Eric: 37:45 Basically when we get to the neurons. You know all we're doing is jumping from one neuron to another goes into space synaptic. We've got to have that neurotransmitter go neurons to different neurons all over the brain. I mean different things we have dopamine serotonin we have oxytocin. We have endorphins. So we do have these chemicals that you know we all know dopamine. You get a dopamine hit. It's your attention it's reward excitement. I mean we all have different behavioral. You know we have addictions. OK. So where we're getting into the neurotransmitters that of course drugs are trying to treat. All right. Tone and dopamine etc. But what's neat about this last nine days I've been on I've been analyzing strange how you brought this topic up because I kept telling my wife I am not happy and she goes Well what are you missing. I'm working out I'm I'm I'm forcing myself to get my workouts to get those endorphins to get that dopamine hit. You know because I always feel good when I workout but when I leave the gym or leave the trails I'm like man I'm not feeling so good. You know I didn't understand it. And the missing link to me and I'm not just saying this is obviously the beta. I've been out of beta for nine days now but when I left the fast I mean five million more super high beta and then I walk out of that lab and then I started eating bananas and start carbon up. I went from the highest level of ATP mitochondria production with no less free radical damage. And you know oxidative stress etc. to where my my neurons in the BNF I was working out I was really firing up my mice my synapses Gene neuron growth regeneration. I was on the biggest high on my fast cognitive and physical that I've ever experienced. And then I went straight to carbs knocked out a beta and then I went to a real low. I mean like a depression low. And is it beta. I am just looking I've got glucose obviously I'm looking for the missing link my brains like woah what are you doing. I've been you know I've been on beta and adapted so well and efficient and now you're doing a 9 10 day glucose bomb on me right now and no more beta. So I think it just made it worse on my brain and depression. So beta comes into the brain and neurons. I mean as far as the mitochondria you are going to get more ATP production you're going to get more functional mitochondria which is going to help with the neural transmission synapses neurons your astrocytes. I mean obviously you're going to have some Lactaid obviously push into neurons but you're going to have a better fuel source and a cleaner fuel source so I really believe beta comes into play and people who do get in ketosis. You did. Others felt more mental clarity and more or less depression you might say or unhappiness because of the fusion of the brain. And of course you GDNF another movement. We know we can actually increase a better neural transmission so neurotransmitters like you said there are real chemicals are real.

Chad: 41:05 Yeah. So is it safe to say from your perspective is it safe to say that beta is not going to make us happy but it's going to make our brains more efficient and alert to these chemicals that allow us to feel. Yes yes. Right. So we still have to create and notice and be grateful in our lives. We just have to create these opportunities for happiness. Yes but beta make us allow us to feel that more efficiently. And I definitely experience

Eric: 41:34 and it's like my wife you might kill me for this. She just turned 50 and she's going to write some severe just down the top issues and she just has been really suffering mentally and she's beta. I mean she's in ketosis but I do say she hates this word movement movement got to move and I said just go for the walks. Just get movement get the BDNF going. And she actually can tell she doesn't want to because you know when you do she's resistant to death spiral. Nothing motivates me right now. And so she's got her movement back. It's amazing how much force yourself to go through it go for that walk or go for that run. Even though the last thing you feel like doing and trust made the movement will well that's why we move. That's why our bodies move. OK. Outdoor activity is the most effective antidepressants. She laughs at me because she said Oh you are her great and your sun 20 minutes every day I'm sitting in that chair facing the sun every day to get my vitamin D. But that helps. OK. You need that.

Chad: 42:44 Well this has been great. I've really enjoyed this conversation. I don't know if I can thank you for biohacking with us today but I'm kind of did right. I mean we brought beta into it so

Eric: 42:53 I think we get good. I hope people give us feedback because I've always been pushing that we need to broaden and to because I'm all about nutrition and getting you know I'll get you the nutrients to the brain and everything else but I'm missing that extra where I can learn coaching. It's there's people dealing with depression on happiness fears and different things or do every day in their life that I wish I knew no more about where I could help it. You know what you've done before and youth coach is so great. Yeah yeah. I think he's a great addition.

Chad: 43:29 I've had a lot of fun bringing some of this to the podcast can help me. I'm going to give. I'm going to give our audience their very first piece of homework. Do you think that's OK. All right. OK so here's my very first piece of homework for audiences too as soon as this podcast is over. Take out your phone. You can do it. I mean turn on the voice recognition or open up the notes app or if you carry a note paper notebook like me I still carry a paper notebook open up your notebook and make a list of ten things that you can think of that happen at least weekly. Hopefully every day that you're going to attach a feeling of happiness to him that you can find gratitude in and result that into happiness and start practicing that practice it for one month. That's the homework. Write those down. Review them every day remind yourself day and day out when those things happen. Concentrate and practice on feeling happiness. You can force yourself to smile. That helps. If you're just not into it and you just don't want it there's a few things so giving up and moving can help. Forcing yourself to smile can help. Thinking of somebody that you really love that you're good on good terms with at the moment really helps. So there's a lot of little things you can do to jog some of these feelings but so that's that's my challenge. That's my homework to our listeners. So anyway thanks so much for the conversation.

Eric: 44:55 Thank you Chad.

Chad: 44:56 And I want to thank you for joining us on this quest for optimal fitness and fitness of the mind. I guess we'll say for today if you're ready to begin your own journey and live your life in ketosis. Be sure to check out biofitcoaching.com or biofit coaching on Instagram that handles @biofit_coaching. This podcast has helped you at all entertain you please consider going to iTunes or wherever you get your podcast to leave us a five star review and a rating that helps others who are considering listening to the podcast join our community. The greatest compliment that you can give us is sharing this podcast with your friends and family. Those who need it the most are those who are looking for a different way of life. And until next time stay keto.