10/24/18 E60 “The Magic Pill”

Time for a movie review! Did you know Eric and Chad moonlight as movie critics? OK, not really. But they did both watch The Magic Pill and are here to share their thoughts. (The Magic Pill is a fantastic documentary about ketogenic nutrition).

How our food can work for us (or against us).

Grains are a relatively new phenomenon for humans.

What fattens up cows? You guessed it!

The case of the aboriginal peoples and the effects of diet.

Should you give your children apple juice?

Wheat, wheat and more wheat...what's in your cupboard?

It all comes down to evidence and self-experimentation.

Flip that food triangle upside down!

And, what is it really going to take to bring about change?

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Transcript:

Eric: 00:00 They don't even ask you what you are eating.

Chad: 00:04 Oh yeah. You come in for an ailment or something, a pain or something like that, and diets often not even discussed.

Eric: 00:12 Nope. Nope. No. They don't ask what? What are you eating? What are you eating? Let's start there. You know, we're back to the basics. Nutrition and exercise. Every time we always have to go back to the basics on everything.

Chad: 00:25 They say a journey begins in a single step or in my case, one less piece of bread. My name is Chad and I'm your test subject. I have sought out an expert in the field of nutrition and fitness. Well, I hoped it helped me feel better. They call him the biohacker, but I call them Eric. I hope you'll join me on a path of leads, you and I to optimal fitness as we live our lives in ketosis. This is the life and Ketosis podcast, a biohackers guide to optimal body performance.

Chad: 01:07 Hello everyone. My name is Chad and this is my quest to achieving optimal body performance with the man that can get me there. The biohacker himself. Mr Eric Bischof. Every episode Eric gives us his crazy intense sciencey knowledge and I break it down with my regular non crazy guy take. As we explore the principles of Ketogenics and Kpr performance training, whether you're just looking for a way to feel better or if you're an elite athlete looking for that edge. We're here to help. And today we're doing a movie review. We've turned our podcast into a movie review podcast. Eric,

Eric: 01:40 Sounds good to me. You might be a better movie review guy than me, I don't know.

Chad: 01:49 Uh, so today we're going to talk about the documentary that's on Netflix called the magic pill and I'm, I'm assuming a lot of our listeners have seen this documentary, but even if you haven't, nothing here is going to be too surprising. Um, but overall, let's just start by conversation. How did, how did you enjoy the movie?

Eric: 02:08 Yeah, I, I really liked it. I actually watched the movie first time at the low carb conference in, in Breckinridge, a march last year, and I thought it was great. I really do. I mean, I've watched a lot of documentaries and I think they did a really good job. I really do.

Chad: 02:27 I thought it was. I thought it was really well done as well. So did you just give people who haven't seen it? A quick, quick synopsis, How many different families or individuals do they follow? Was there five different individuals?

Eric: 02:39 What it was, they had a one family and there's Debbie and her son was barry and wife Kim and then they follow them. So we followed Debbie and we followed Abigail. That's son. Okay. You mean daughter? Barry's her son. Okay. So we had, we had kathy. All right. The one with asthma and diabetes and then we had. I'm Debbie and that was the mother of Barry and Barry's daughter Abigail who has autism and then I think her, Debbie's daughter Kim had a daughter with crohns disease. Right. We didn't do much with her and then we had patty and then there was Sarah, the one with cancer as I remember. I'm trying to say it a few times, so that's pretty good. But Debbie's family had some issues, but I don't think barry had any. They never talked about anything from Barry and the issues that he had. Just yes, Abigail know. Then we had Lisa and uh, it was Aaron, uh, the one with autism? Yes. Okay. Okay. That was the other two. So it might be some others that came. Who was, who was the one with autism? Uh, we had abigail and then we had um, uh, Aaron. Great. Yeah, he was the one that finally said the word. Uh, we come. That's right. Yeah. Because she'd say thank you. And then he would ask how he responded for welcome. Yeah. That's incredible. That was a really touching a part of them. The movie I thought. Yeah.

Chad: 04:13 So basically we follow these, these people through their journey. Some of them we follow through their journey. Some of them have already completed, already completed their journey. I'm like the lady who had cancer, she had breast cancer and she was kinda talking and teaching cooking and stuff like that. But she was kind of talking of, of her experience that had already happened where she had a mass, a mass in her breast, and um, it was, it was cancerous and she, through diet, no other treatments, she was able to reduce the size and the activity of the mass

Eric: 04:47 through Keto. And she talked about it, you know, glucose, of course, cancer feeds on certain cancers, feed on glucose and, you know, an overall, it's not meant to say, hey, you know, Ketos a cure for everything for every cancer, you know, which I will say.

Chad: 05:02 I was going to say I was a little disappointed in the title of the documentary, honestly, the magic pill, because I think it would scare people away. I mean, we're very, we're taught to be very skeptical of things that are called pill pill or this thing that's a cure for everything. Right. Um, and, and so I, I hope that doesn't scare too many people away from taking the content seriously or even pushing play, I think is the risk.

Eric: 05:31 And I think there's, there's been drawback and you're not come back on it that say, hey, it's a miracle for everything. It's going to cure cancer, autism, and they never, they never say that these are some individual cases where ketogenic really, really helped them and they trying to just share the knowledge about what food can do for you, what nutrition can do for you. I know there's probably a lot of vegans that jumped on this, on this documentary and uh, had, had a lot to say because vegans, I used to be vegan myself for two years, so we thought we knew it all and

Chad: 06:08 They actually have a post Vegan on the documentary as well. And she talks about animal cruelty. I thought she made some valid points where she talks about, yes, I am against the meat industry still, even though I'm not vegan any longer, right. I'm still against the mainstream meat industry because the way that they're producing it is very inhumane. Yes. Um, but I love the section in the movie where they were, they actually interview a grassfed agricultural specialist, a farmer, and he talks about the life cycle. And how allowing these animals to be a part of that life cycle is actually the most humane thing we could do for them. I'm just letting them naturally be what they're supposed to be and do what they're supposed to do. I just, I loved some of his points. I was really a highlight of the movie for me was to look at this grassfed farmer and, and see his love not only for the animals but producing a nutrition, a new, a food that is nutrition, nutritional and natural. And I thought that was a really cool angle for them to take on.

Eric: 07:22 Yeah. Yeah. And He's been in another documentary and I think he did a great job.

Chad: 07:28 Yeah. So one of the, one of the inner deduction, one of the introduction statements by the narrator is that, um, you know, it's only been 10,000 years that we humans have been eating so heavenly eating grain so heavily. Um, and I thought that was an interesting thing because they followed it up by saying, well, 10,000 years may sound like a lot when we compare it to our life. But ultimately that's only like a half of one percent of the time that humans have been eating on the earth. Right. And so, so before that it was all a, a meat and fats.

Eric: 08:05 I think if it worked out, like she said, 500,000 generations. So what, that'd be like 10 million years. Yeah. So I get lost in all these years and lost. I just don't, you know, we hear so many different, you know, studies and say, oh, it's only this many years and this many years. But yeah, we've been on meat and fat for a long, long, long time.

Chad: 08:32 But I took the difference is, is that it wasn't a factory. Yeah, it wasn't the factory meat and fat. Yeah. And so, and that's a huge, huge difference because when our meat is bulked up by grain, it's corn, it's just basically the same thing now. It's terrible. So, um, so those are a couple of the things that right off the bat that very interesting. Ninety days and at 90 days that the cows can only live on corn for 90 days. So they fatten them up for 90 days and then they slaughter them, otherwise they'll die. I didn't know that. Yeah. And as a sub point it was kind of in passing. But they said, you know, we could learn something from this fattening process of the cows and using grains to fatten them up. You think we would learn something about that. But, uh, we just continue to eat grains quite heavily, more heavily than we ever have before.

Eric: 09:28 And I really appreciate how they started with the aborigines and just hearing them talk was just. I mean, I thought that was really in, it was open forum, you know, nothing was scripted. I totally believe you know, their answers and the questions they asked and when they just asked him that, what was kind of just shocking to me is how, you know before, you know from, you know, right. Then 50 percent on I think were diabetes. I mean you see the obesity was, was all there and they have all these illnesses, hypertension, metabolic syndrome, heart disease and everything else. And then they just start asking them questions, you know, basically when, when did this all begin and what was amazing is when they go back and, and they started asking him about, um, before the Europeans came, you know, uh, when they were introduced to this food, what, what they die of, and it was basically they said, you know, danger, TB, hepatitis. And then before that you was infectious diseases. And then further back we'd be back. It was fighting and it was an accident or what does a shark or alligator or something like that and then finally old age. Yeah, I mean, how, how great would that be? I mean, if you think about it and it just went through the periods of time, what happened when they were introduced to processed foods, high sugar carbohydrates, you know, when they're giving their kid coca cola for breakfast and they think they're doing a good thing or, or apple juice, apple juice, abigail.

Chad: 11:12 The parents thought, well, we're giving her apple juice. But then when they broke it down on the labels, apple juice has one, one and a half times the sugar cola has.

Eric: 11:23 High fructose corn Syrup and, and parents, you think they're doing a good thing. And even in the aborigines they thought they were doing a good thing because this is what they were told and they went through all the foods and, and people, people saw that, but it was just amazing to see the change in their lifestyle because I think it was at one guy, he was back there and uh, started in the forties and he went back in and the eighties I think it was, and how they were just like superman. Hey were built. They were lean. I mean they were strong and, and all of a sudden it just, in the eighties it became decimated. He said, just unbelievable when you went back and what he saw compared to the earlier years, he was just nutrition. It was the change. Yeah.

Chad: 12:12 Yeah, that's pretty incredible. And the other thing that really stuck out to me was they have a segment in the, in the film where they're cleaning out these people's kitchens, right? They're getting them ready to start on the ketogenic diet and the cleaning out the kitchens and the, the thing that stuck out to me, I mean, yes, they're pulling all of these things off the shelves and looking at the labels and being like, oh yeah, sugar, wheat, sugar, wheat sugar, wheat, everything had put the thing about their kitchens if they didn't look any different than most American kitchens or cupboards. No, I was shocking to me. Now, you know, some of these people that were, uh, the, the lady with type two diabetes and all of the ailments and the, and she was on pain medication and all that kind of stuff. They're cleaning out our kitchen and I'm thinking, man, she's going to have like just boxes of twinkies in there or something. But it was, it was just normal packaged food that you would find pretty much in any American kitchen.

Eric: 13:08 In fact, what Abigail ate and one of my kids and my grandkids, they have, they have a Goldfish, they have chicken nuggets, chicken nuggets, a Doritos are they in and what was striking was that was abigail, which is processed food. She probably had issues because of that, of course on top of her other issues, but what was needed, and I got this, I'm sure with Barry, same five days was like torture. I mean literally she wasn't eating, she was refusing and in her refusals were pretty strong on the plate and they're on the food and most parents would probably just give in, you know, just because one, they don't want to see their child suffering. Yeah. Okay. And number two, is it worth the pain and hassle heart and confrontation and seeing your child like that?

Chad: 14:07 Well, and it's become, I mean, autism has become so common now. I think most of us have have experienced what it's like to be around somebody who's autistic and is not happy. It is. Oh, it must been painful and haven't been around it. I really have. So I have a nephew has who has autism and so I'm, I've been around it quite a bit and it's, I have so much love and respect for these parents who are dealing with these issues. I could only imagine what that five days would feel like. I couldn't even imagine. And so props to them for sticking to it, but also nothing bad towards any parents who haven't been able to do this up to this point. It's really, really difficult.

Eric: 14:51 Yeah. And it's, you know, it was kind of heartbreaking when they were talking to Aaron and they're doing the testing and they ask questions. Then they figured out he could actually answer a question with a complete sentence and it and I am lonely. And then when he, he said the words at any, it came out like I feel lonely. I feel upset because I am a lonely person. And that really, that really bothered me. I was like, wow, I never have taken that consideration that these kids have feelings, you know, I don't know a lot about autism and so really he's a lonely person and it was just. And he's happy to be on a bus to come there and everything else. And it was just, it was really, it was eyeopening for me.

Chad: 15:40 Both the autistic cases. They were nonverbal. Yeah. In the beginning. And then once that change their diet, they both became verbal. I think Abigail was saying no, no, no. Actually him. No, she was. She was for me. And that was a huge step. Right.

Eric: 15:56 And she wasn't bouncing off the wall doing everything else and he, he, he was on a low carb and it reduced his bobbing and continuously repetitive actions or things he would say. And it was just neat to see. Exciting has to be exciting for parents because they're witnessing it. Right. Okay. A change and nutrition and you can attribute it to say it's no more processed foods and it's no more sugar or whatever, but you know, we, we understand fat is a different role. And when you. And they do too. I mean that's why they incorporated the Ketogenics because of the fat element. What does in the cell membrane and Betahydroxy molecule and everything else we can. We won't go into that and we do it all the time, but it was just exciting to see the parents, um, uh, talk about it, you know, and plus the see the kids know that was, it was exciting. And then we've got debbie and we had patty and we had kathy, those who were suffering some chronic illnesses and a within weeks, I mean five weeks, then 10 weeks. And the changes they were making I thought was impressive. Of course, I'm not saying you couldn't lose that weight with some other, you know, nutritional program. But it was how they feel it. That's where I have to go with this. How they feel, their energy, their cognitive cognition, cognition, you know, and, and I, and I think what's, what's hard about it is, you know, and you've seen all those other documentaries haven't you like What the Health and the Leap of Faith and what other ones, Forks and Knives was really big. Not As many that you've seen. But yeah, the first one I think I saw was, was Ah, what was it called? Uh, it was um, supersize supersized supersize me about the guy that ate mcdonald's if they offered him to super to supersize that he couldn't say no, what was that? Two thousand three? It was really early. That was really early and I went and saw him in Cleveland and I was like, wow, this is interesting. So it really, you know, it was kind of my, I was into the search going into, but what, what's, what's tough that I have a problem with and maybe those that are listening is it comes down to, you know, sure, this came out great documentary when we have other documentaries that counter exactly that philosophy and that teaching and that science. So what happens in, and I got and maybe a lot of you out there do the same thing, is now it comes down to studies. Okay. So the research and the studies and you see people will, will counter this, um, documentary with this study and that study. And so you see a lot on all sides, Cherry picking, Cherry picking, Cherry picking. And I used to always read constantly the rebuttal, the other side, what they're coming back at. And um, uh, I would go down in such deep rabbit holes trying to read every study that countered it, what it became a war within myself to where It was damaging. I mean I would take it literally so deep and my wife would say, why? Why are you beating? Well, they're saying this, it got to a point where I just spent hours and days and days. And finally I just come to the conclusion that. And I look, you know, I have thousands of studies printed everywhere. It just came to the point of self experimentation to where you have to give it a try and live it and do the bio markers, do the blood test, do the genetics and see if, if, if they're all lining up with what you're doing as far as nutrition, you know, your blood lipids, you know, your, your blood sugars and everything else. And, and that's what you got to go with. Otherwise he just beat yourself up. And I've been there and I still do.

Eric: 20:03 You know. And that's, and you know, and that's what everybody has to make make that I was Vegan for two years and I studied it and I believed it and I and I preached it basically, but I never now I can compare the two. Okay. Blood Markers, energy production, power output, all that stuff. And I literally so much better with this nutritional eating that I'm doing and I have all the markers to prove it. I'm not saying Vegan can't help you lose weight, you know, reduce your cholesterol and your blood lipids and help your sugar. I'm not saying that, but for me the fat is where I felt the best. Seriously.

Chad: 20:47 Well, and I mean there's more to talk about in that conversation rather than just a are you, are you a meat eater or are you a Vegan who you really have to dive in and say what kind of meat are you? And Are you actively seeking out the meat that is healthy for you or are you and, and humanely harvested? Or are you eating the meat, the factory meat that is inhumanely harvested. And, and I think even beyond self testing, Eric, and you tell me if this rings true for you, but even beyond self testing, you can look at the evidence that's out there in the real world already, right? If you hear that they're fattening cows up with grains, that should tell you, I mean our, our body functions are close enough to tell you that grains are gonna Fatten us up and we can't live very long on just grains and don't get me.

Eric: 21:38 I'm still evidenced based and everything. I really am. But we have observational studies, we have met analysis, we have random control trials to study. So you will in, in. I'm looking for evidence all the time, but now I have to say if is it an industry back or is it public money who's behind the study? And of course we go there and, and there's new evidence coming out even with, with, with Keto and you know, I, I've always said epidemiologist, the scientists at cardiologists, there's more and more just just we don't have to reach back to 2008 and seven in the nineties and you know, we can go back to history and back to um, uh, uh, yet can, you know, it was against sugar and back in the sixties, you know, who wrote a great book on it and he got squashed by Ancil keys and the rest of them to push the fat is being the culprit, not sugar. So we can go all the way back then, but we have so much, 2000, six to 2018, we're getting new studies coming out. And so that's exciting. That's exciting for those, you know, that especially on the fat issue where a lot of the new evidence is coming out. So. So I'm still on top of that, but you just can't begin that war all the time. You really can't. And, and you, you know, and I coach and I see people change their lives. I see the, uh, the diabetics that I have, I see the turnaround, I see the obesity turnaround, know cardio vascular issues, high blood pressure. I, I witnessed the turnaround and that's, that's evidenced to me

Chad: 23:14 That's a unique position to be in as well. And so other people have to live within a system that favors terrible nutrition. It does. I mean the way as, especially in America, I know we have a lot of listeners that aren't in America and a lot of the cultures are different and I commend them for that. They still put a lot of emphasis on good foods and eating and that kind of stuff. But in America, we and a few other places, we have a culture that favors the fast foods and the, you know, the preservatives. You got to keep it around for as long as possible. The large serving sizes, all of that kind of stuff. And in our work schedules and our travel schedules and all of that kind of stuff really point us or corner us into a nutrition that is not doing us any good. In fact, it's making us sick. Um, and so I actually, I loved the part where they talk about the food triangle that was, you know, USDA food triangle and they said you literally have to take that triangle and turn completely upside down, upside down so that your meats and your fats are your biggest and you're in your plant, your plant base are at the bottom. So that's the biggest portion of the triangle. And then you have your grains in the middle and then you have your sugars and all of that and the are and stuff like that up on the top.

Eric: 24:41 Veggies in the middle. AAMI standard or fruit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's Nina. She, she does a really good job. I've read her books and um, but you know, it just throughout the whole film there were just parts that you pick out. And I keep going back to the aborigines in and I forgot her name. It was a long name, she was walking and he was engaging, you know, questions to her and she said, well, let's wait and stop. I can't talk while I'm walking. And then she said, I don't think my body was built to walk and it just, I mean, that's just so shocking. You think about it, you know, and, and, and they, and they were on that two week retreat doing it, learning about nutrition and what happened and obesity and everything else, but she just, it was just kind of striking and she says, my body, I don't think my body was built to walk about her grandfather teaching her from little on what to eat and on the beach and everything. And it was just, it was just interesting to, to hear her talk about they lost tradition and that's what we've got today. Our traditions are gone as far as our nutrition. No. Uh, yeah, it was the other thing that was striking in there was what I liked though. The one doctor said that doctors don't even ask you what you are eating.

Chad: 26:05 Oh yeah, come in for an ailment or something, a pain or something like that. And diets often not even discussed.

Eric: 26:13 Nope. Nope. No. They don't ask what, what are you eating? What are you eating? Let's start there. You know, we're back to the basics. Nutrition and exercise every time. We always have to go back to the basics on everything.

Chad: 26:26 Yeah, absolutely. We're going to, and you and I have just talked about, we're probably going to do a full episode on this, but can you talk just a minute about the end? They, they touched really briefly on this as well. Is the trial literally keto went on trial and, and just talk a little bit about what happened there.

Eric: 26:43 Yeah, that's Tim noakes and I'm, I was a huge fan of Tim and I sat in another podcast. I read his lure of running when he started back in the nineties. He's the guy and I said it before. He's the one that got me on carbs. I mean, he is the one that got me carbo loading before races and it was all about glycogen storage glycogen and it was just amazing that the turn in the early 2000 2007, I can't remember the year, but, and, and he's a like a, a one, you know, he said it ain't even been there. And in the book I read about him a top type of scientists and Dr and South Africa and he, um, and I followed him. I've read his books and I read the allure of nutrition, his new book and I think he's a fantastic. And they basically put him on trial basically because the burden of proof, burden of proof was his and, and they basically got him for unprofessional conduct. Okay. Because he said he was given a tweet that, you know, you can wean your child on low carbs and you know, basically a low carb, high fat diet. Well, Dietitians just know uproar over it and eventually, you know, they, that he went to trial, he wasn't gonna relinquish his license or whatever, you know, to avoid trial. And, and, and I've heard him speak, you know, quite a few times and it's just amazing where basically the low fat, the high carb was on trial basically, and he, he brought proof and scientific evidence, etc. And it, it went on for weeks and it was brutal on his personal life, but it was just exciting to see that what the, the low carb and high fat versus the low fat high carb, um, especially on trial and it ended up in his favor and he patiently proved his points, you know, that it's fat is basically good healthy fat and it's the carb situation. And I think, I think it was, is tremendous, you know, and uh, I think it's opened a lot of doors and know a lot of doors for that.

Chad: 29:02 So, um, there is a comment and we'll, we can kind of end on this, but, um, there's a comment towards the end of the documentary where they said, you know, how, um, how are we going to change this? what's going to happen? And uh, the one of the person's answers was, well, um, that we're going, we'll see. We'll see how successful this documentary is, so I'd love to just get your take. What do I mean? What, what direction are we going generally as a society? I mean there's, you know, obviously the, the messaging from the government, they stand a lot to lose if this catches, if this catches a lot of steam, um, you know, a lot of large industries and a lot of large companies stand to lose a lot. I mean, people go high fat, low carb.

Eric: 29:52 What's our food control by nine or 10 companies, major companies. And I think what, what's going to happen to change? like everything else when a change happens and they can adjust the food to where it's profitable, then they're going to go that way. Just like when you took fat out, what were they left to do? They were left to say, hey, we've got to find another avenue, so let's bring in the sugar. Yeah. And so, you know, they made a tremendous amount of money and I think once we get to the dietary guidelines and we can get a change in that and the food industry is going to say, oh, the money is in the fat now, the sugar and they'll go after it, that they'll go after it. I mean, they're going to go after whatever people are willing to eat,

Chad: 30:39 whatever people are willing to put money to that money speaks. Yes, it does. And that's how we cast our vote. So when you're at the grocery store and you choose to go with factory meat over the grass fed, you're voting and saying we want more factory meat. Yes. And I get that. That might sound a little harsh. Um, and it's, it right now, the expense, it's a little more expensive, but, um, you know, it's, it's really where you can and where you choose to make a stand.

Eric: 31:08 You know, it's, it's interesting. Lot of people, you know, the vegans and others that talk about keto, they always throw in this word high protein all the time, you know, big meat eaters. What I mean who, who's hitting more than six ounces or five ounces of meat, right. I used to eat more than that. You know, back in my old days, I have two big steaks or whatever right now with your protein, keeping it at a medium level, you can't afford to eat that much meat. I mean, you can't take that much in. Yeah. So a five ounce, three and a half, four, five ounces. You're not a, you're not a big meat eater. Right. You know, and we get blamed all the time. You know, this isn't the atkins is not high protein. Which protein is what percentage of freedom on average. One percent. One percent. And that's not a lot. That's not very much.

Chad: 31:58 Yeah. If everybody were to go to that diet, we would, I mean factory meat would lose so much money because we're, we are, we're so meat heavy right now in a normal american diet and, and so if everybody we're going to dakota the sparing meet sparing protein. Then problem solved

Eric: 32:22 Back when when I, when I went keto, you know, three years ago, I was like, oh wow, I can enjoy meat again because I was vegan. Okay. So I thought, wow, eggs and meat, I get to enjoy that again, some bacon, but boy when you start to add up your protein it goes really fast. And so there's really. Sometimes there's, when do my eggs and bacon and everything else, there's really no no room for it. Nothing left for me, you know, like a fish or whatever. And so, so we, we get accused of that a lot and they, even the studies when they cherry pick studies, they look for things to say low carb, but they're not looking for what the rest of the nutrition is. Okay. It could be high protein. Lot of times it's a lot of protein and a lot of the studies I won't get into the studies, but it's amazing when you see them cherry pick stuff and you can just pick it out, right? They're like, oh my gosh. Did he finish the whole study? Absolutely. I want to make sure I'm not a cherry picker, uh, you know, and all in all the studies that I do

Chad: 33:19 to consider all the evidence plus yourself testing. Yes, exactly. Yep. Well, uh, I was about to say thanks for biohacking with us today, but I'm going to say thanks for movie reviewing with us today.

Eric: 33:29 I've watched this thing quite a few times. I got people to watch it, you know, so I would watch it with them and so I've enjoyed it every time. And, and I think there'll be more of these coming out. I think that I'm excited about ketogenics, because I think more the train is just getting stronger and stronger because not because I think a lot of people are seeing the benefits, you know, diabetes, hypertension, cardio, they're seeing it. Obesity and talking about it. That. And that's what's exciting.

Chad: 34:01 That's a big deal. It's just talking about it. Having the conversation at the table as part of the battle is a huge part of the battle. So I'm also speaking of what we eat, how about we not eat? Oh yeah, we got fasted state coming up. Uh, so all of this talk of food come fast with us starting in november. The fast that we're doing for the next fastest state is february, february. Wow. I'm really jumping ahead or I'm really behind November 14th, 15th and 16th of the days that we're fasting. It's a three day fast that we guide you through. We have live q and a's every single day throughout the fast and there's also a week preparation with eric through via email. You get videos, he helps you prepare for the fast. I'm literally going three days with no food and uh, the, the reviews and the, and the experiences that we get from, from people has been amazing. You can go to biofitcoaching.com/fast and see some testimonials there. You can see a video of eric talking a little bit about the fast and fasted state and you can also sign up. The deadline for signups is November 5th and the prep starts on November 6th. So again, go to biofitcoaching.com/fast. Get in on this fastest state. We only take 20 people for each session because we want to make sure everybody has the chance to get individual attention for questions and concerns in any of that kind of stuff. So I'm excited for this fast.

Speaker 1: 35:33 Hi. I just had three, uh, francis and lucy and debbie all on ending their fast and second day fast, three of them and they're doing really great. That's awesome. And it's their first time and I, I love, uh, yeah, but he knows I love fasting and I love the autophagy and it's just exciting for me when anybody fast it really is and the change, the regeneration and et cetera. But anyway, I just got a few of them just in the middle of it and just wrapped up a fast. So it's always exciting to see that and hear their comments really is

Chad: 36:09 well, and we don't do this often. So jump on if you want to, to create some self mastery, um, work on some body composition and just feel the amazing effects of autophagy. Jump in with us. Again, the deadline for signup is November 5th are fasting dates or the 14th, 15th, and 16th right before our feasting day here in America right before thanksgiving. So exercise, some self control before we lose it all. And that's not the purpose of the. No, no, no, no, no. It's not, but it, it, it does help. absolutely, and I want to thank you for joining us on this quest for optimal fitness. If you're ready to begin your own journey and live your life and ketosis, be sure to check out biofitcoaching.com or biofit coaching on instagram. The handle is @biofit_coaching. The keto tips on there are phenomenal from eric and there's a lot of help there. Uh, also, if this podcast has helped you entertained you in any way, please consider going to itunes or wherever you get your podcasts and rating our, our show. Give it some five stars and a glowing review so we can reach more people. And until next time, stay keto.