10/10/18 E58 Keto Ups And Downs

Does it sometimes feel like you're the only one struggling with keto nutrition? Since most of what you hear are success stories, it can seem like you're all alone in experiencing difficulties. Well, today the guys want to get real for a bit and talk about some keto ups and downs. See if you've experienced any of these yourself...

Eric's apology: is he too keto focused?

"My brain was on fire"

How fructose hits dopamine harder than sugar.

Experiencing keto headaches? Eric has the solution.

The correlation between scaling out and depression.

The importance of getting connected to your body.

What does Eric visualize during his workouts?

Plateaus!! (Sometimes they just happen)

And how keto does NOT have to involve complicated meal planning.

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Chad: 00:00 Um, you ready for another big down? Give me another. How do you know? I probably know it. Waking up or going to the fridge after an 18 hour fast and realizing you don't have any bacon.

Eric: 00:16 That's, that's true. That's a good one.

Chad: 00:21 Do you want to hear a really big up, fasting for 18 hours going to your fridge and finding bacon. They say a journey begins in a single step or in my case, one less piece of bread. My name is Chad and I'm your test subject. I have sought out an expert in the field of nutrition and fitness. Well, I hoped it helped me feel better. They call him the biohacker, but I call him Eric. I hope you'll join me on a path that leads you and I to optimal fitness as we live our lives and ketosis. This is the life and Ketosis podcast, a biohackers guide to optimal body performance.

Chad: 01:12 Hello everyone. My name is Chad and this is my quest to achieving optimal body performance with the man that can get me there. The biohacker himself Mr Eric Bischof every episode Eric gives us his crazy intense sciencey knowledge. And I break it down with my regular non crazy guy take as we explore the principles of ketogenics and Kpr performance training. Whether you're just looking for a way to feel better or if you're an elite athlete looking for that edge. We're here to help. And today I'm stoked about today we've gotten some feedback from our listeners and we are responding. And Eric, one of the, the, one of the common feedbacks that we've gotten from pieces of feedback that we've gotten from our listeners is to create some more encouraging content and, and you know, we're much more of like where the rubber hits the road sort of stuff. And I think it's a fantastic idea and everybody loves the science, but let's face it, I'm just like anything in life keto has its ups and downs, right? And so we would, we would do a disservice to our community and our listeners if we just pretended like all we needed to talk about with science and everything's great and easy and Yada Yada. So we are. That is what we're going to address today is some up and downs of, of keto. And um, you know, if you're in ketosis you will relate to a lot of these and sometimes for encouragement, all we need to know is that we're not alone. Yes. Um, and, and if you haven't started keto and you're considering it or you know, any of that kind of stuff, it's great to know, to have a realistic expectation of ups and downs so that when they do come, you don't feel like an outlier.

Chad: 02:58 Yes. Yes. So that's where, that's where we're going to go. We have some feedback from your biofitters, which is really fun because that's real life and we have kind of our own little study group there that we can poll and, and, and do experiments with and in a good way. Um, and so we'll, we'll be bringing some of their perspectives into this. I will be sharing a lot of my personal perspective and a and we'll just have a good conversation around it. So if that sounds good. How are you, Eric?

Eric: 03:28 I'm doing good. I'm actually doing good. No, no specific ups and downs right now. So I'm staying right down the middle.

Chad: 03:38 Well, you had a much, much needed sanity break, which I'm thankful for it. You come back from that a lot, lot with all have to offer. And so that's cool. So last week we had a break and now we're back.

Eric: 03:51 It was nice. I got get away a backpack for five days by myself and I think it's just, I haven't been by myself for a long, long time and I think it's great for everybody to kind of just get away from their technology and stress and commitments and just think about life and think about a lot of things and, and that's really helped a lot to think about, you know, our mission and our, our um, and what are podcast and what we try to teach and share. And, and there's a lot that we're learning too. I'm learning constantly and I know sometimes I get a little too ketosis on everybody. Like it's the only method. The only way, the only path, and I don't really mean to come across that way because I follow the science if I trust the science and it's to the point now where we can't even trust science because we don't know who's behind the studies, what the motivation is and it's really getting it. It's really getting into a scary situation. But as I learned and things changed and then, and then I will change. But uh, sometimes I just don't mean to think, you know, only one way. So anyway, I know I come across that way sometimes, right? Chad?

Chad: 05:03 No, you're great. And I think, I mean, people know what they're, what they're signing up for when they get into this podcast and I, and we, we get a lot of great comments about the science and um, and, and the lifestyle tips and stuff like that. So let's go, let's jump in. I have a list of things that I wanted to bring up and then you have a list of, of responses from your biofitters is you've asked them about what their ups and downs have been. Maybe we'll jump into mine and then you can bring in, you can relate some of the answers you got from, from your little study there. We'll cover into mine. I'm sure we all, we all share a lot of the same ups and downs. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting in that way. It's also interesting that at the same time it is a different experience for everybody and nobody knows this better than you because you've got to basically be able to cover your as a coach you've got to be able to cover your bases, uh, every, every type of person and know what to do and hosts in those circumstances. So it's very interesting. It's really a good window to look through. So yeah, so the first, the first down that I came up with was the Keto flu. Yeah. Uh, you know, that I experienced the Keto flu intensely. Um, it was only 24 hours long, but oh my gosh, I was on my back. I was dizzy and, and lethargic and sick to my stomach and all of that kind of stuff. And I was really questioning at that moment whether or not this was going to be worth it.

Eric: 06:39 I remember that. And it happens. It happens to some, it doesn't happen too all in our experience, in a lot of the ones I coached don't experience yet. And um, you know, there is a movement, you know, it makes sense to kinda just edge into it, you know, lower your carbs for a few weeks, three weeks. And I'll be honest, everyone I've coached and it's um, I went in from day one, I started in Keto from day one and very few had the flu and there was some adaptation time, but it's just a method that, that, that I like and it doesn't mean it's right, but it's just a method that I use and, and most people didn't have any problem with it.

Chad: 07:21 So that leads directly into my first up though, which was my cognition. The minute I, the minute that I was no longer experiencing the keto flu, my brain was on fire.

Eric: 07:36 I remember that I thought you were taking drugs at the time. So no, I really remember that. I really do. I was like, wow, it didn't pop me like that.

Chad: 07:49 I just, yeah, I mean I've talked about it a million times, but like not having that afternoon lull. I'm feeling like I could focus for longer periods of time, all of that kinda stuff. And I think there's a lot of, more than just burning the Beta. I think there's a lot of other factors in that too. Like I wasn't, I wasn't needing to focus on, on food. Right. Really this. And I was going to say this, I was going to bring this up as well. I think I feel like this is an up or down depending on your perspective, but one thing that was a really nice benefit to keto for me is I no longer had to think about my food. Great. Um, I mean at first you have to get the right food and in and get used to eating it. But after that it's like I know exactly what I'm going to eat.

Eric: 08:38 So the convenience of it made you talk about the convenience of it?

Chad: 08:41 Yeah, that was a huge up for me because I was, I mean I was one that always worried about what my next meal was going to be. What was I going to eat? Well, how is it going to make it? Was I going to go out once I, you know what I mean? So your next fast food restaurant you're going to go to. No, no, you would never that bad. I know that was never a fast fooder. But yeah, I mean I put a lot of, I put a lot of weight on what my next, uh, I, I considered myself to be a little bit of a foodie and so I want, you know, it was, it was, it was a big concern for me or, or you know, what am I going to make for lunch in the middle of my workday. And so for me it, it, it panned out as a benefit, but I could see it. And you have told me about others' experiences, especially as your coach them feeling like they're losing a lot of things. In fact, you even shared one personally. Was was the fruit comment your comment or was that a biofitters comment?

Eric: 09:41 It was a biofitters. I expressed the same when I started keto about the fruit. Yeah, that was an issue. Yep.

Chad: 09:48 Yeah. Where, where they're basically fruit was like a dessert, right? I mean because you're trying to eat healthy or you think you're eating healthy and so fruit becomes the closest thing to cake or cupcakes or any of that kind of stuff. And uh, and then, and then finding out that fruit's probably not the best thing. Yeah.

Eric: 10:08 The thing about fruit is if you in don't get me on fructose in, I, um, I, I won't go there. But if you think about fruit is just basically nature's candy because what it is, I mean fruit when it's been sold to you as being, you know, uh, of course we always look at fruit being very nutritious and it's healthy and it's got everything for you. But we forget about the fructose. That's how much is in it. And remember, fructose will hit your dopamine receptors harder than sugar does. So you get a reward big time from fructose from fruit you it hits hard, so it's easy to. Your dopamine is going to seek that out all the time and wants it. That's in addiction and. And you think, I love fruit and that was one of my biggest things to give up was fruit because it was my dopamine reward more than more than candy or sugary sweets or anything like that. It was fruit, right?

Chad: 11:05 Don't you think we make the misconception that everything natural is good for you? That is just not the case.

Eric: 11:15 Especially in abundance too much of a good thing sometimes. Yeah.

Chad: 11:21 Yeah, absolutely. Did. Were there any surprising or maybe a unique responses that you got from biofitters is we talk about kind of like starting keto. Did anybody mention anything about that?

Eric: 11:34 There was a little bit, you know, I've always dealt with people is sometimes people will start with migraines or headaches. Okay. And that's usually, it's not so much the Keto flu, it's really dialing in your sodium, your electrolytes, because it's the easiest thing to do it even when you're keto. And I can go out to all of you out there. You're keto, but it's so easy. Once you're keto you're rolling with it and everything's good is you start dropping your sodium and then all of a sudden you're saying, wow, I'm not feeling that energy that I used to have or the cognitive that I used to have. First thing I say, you know, I look at is your sodium intake. Sure enough, they're down to 1200 milligrams, 800, 1400, 1500 milligrams. And here it is bring your sodium back up. And you know, especially for cognitive, you know, if you're starting to lose your cognitive in the afternoon and some of that, it's usually you're dropping off on your sodium. It's just the easiest thing to drop off on.

Chad: 12:28 If i had a nickel every time you asked me what my sodium was at I would be a rich man.

Eric: 12:34 And it's amazing what people actually. And I do it too. I just start making my food and I salt my food and I started thinking, oh, I got enough sodium now saying I'm feeling a little tired. And I'm like, ah, you know, and I thought, oh, so I drink a broth and I pick up my sodium and I start to feel a lot better and it's amazing what sodium does to you, but you also need your magnesium and potassium, but you know, we've talked about that sound great. And then I think one of the biggest that I owe you keep on going. I just have a few here that the, that I wrote down, but we'll keep going. I think the biggest that I dealt with, the biggest downer and it happens to me and my wife a bio fitters is when you scale out, coming back in and, and I've coached a lot of people and they're all experiences is this depression that once you get out of Ketosis and you have to, you're in, you say you ate a lot of carbs or sugar or whatever, donuts, donuts, whatever, and you come back in. Every time I scale out my wife, others, it's happened so much in those out there, you probably have experienced that too, where you just feel depressed and it until you get going again, back in the Beta, flowing and back in Ketosis, everything starts to come back together. My wife literally, she will not scale out now because she just goes. I mean, she'll actually come back in and in such a depressed situation too where she'll actually shed some tears and she says, you know, every time it's not worth it. It's not worth it. All time. Like four months later, you know, she'll scale out. It's not worth it, I hate this coming back in and it's real. It's real and it's amazing how your brain functions and I think some of it could be you jump out, you, you jumped to those foods that were were your dopamine rewards. I don't care if it's donuts or fruit or whatever, and you start hitting those receptors really hard for a day or two and then all of a sudden you say, okay, brain, we're done. Stop. We're going to go back to satiating foods, fats and different things that don't give you that dopamine hit and next thing you know you're like, ah, I don't feel so. Yeah. You start feeling that depressed mode. You started getting that reward signals going again because they've been dormant for awhile. You haven't. You haven't hit those receptors and then you pop them again and it's not a good idea, but know I'm wanting to say I'll. When I. When I do scale out, I'll grab a maple bar and I hate myself afterwards.

Chad: 15:15 I was going to say, I was going to say, you know what I think it is. I don't think it has anything to do with the fuel. I think it's you're depressed because it wasn't as good as you thought it was going to be.

Eric: 15:25 Now that's a good point. I actually told my wife, I go, you know, these maple bars don't mean much to me anymore because they were like my things since a kid and I'm like, I feel like I'm losing my childhood. And she goes, what? I go, I'm like losing my part is I have to force myself to like, oh, I like this, still don't I? It's losing its power, so maybe that's what depresses me.

Chad: 15:50 yeah, there's so many different aspects or ways to look at it and things that influence it, but I've had that experience multiple times where I'll have a birthday or an anniversary or something like that and I'm like, I'm going out, I'm going out and it's going to be huge and it's going to be good, and then I do. I'm like, well that was not.

Eric: 16:14 I've done the same thing. It's like when I fasted those seven days, I could not wait to go to the steakhouse, Texas roadhouse to get that stuff. All that was, it meant nothing to me. I wasn't going out, but it was just, wow, that wasn't that big of a deal. Mmm, their rolls, those are bad. So good. So good taste. But that depression thing is real and, and I, I'm sure everybody out there has felt the same thing. Yeah, it's just your brain telling you don't go there. Don't go back.

Chad: 16:47 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So I had, I had scaling out on my list as well as both, it could be an up or a down and especially if it's, it can be a big downer if it's not done intentionally, like if it's a mistake or a or a moment of weakness and it wasn't planned out or it wasn't, you know what I mean? Right. That can be a huge down, but it can also be a huge up if you are planning it out and it's in, it's done for your sanity and you need to, you need that reminder that hey, I don't really need this junk. I think that could be a huge positive. Um, another one that I had for kind of earlier on is starting to feel your body be fat adapted. That's a really cool, or at least from my experience and my perspective, that was a really cool experience because I was eating food that my mind's going, this isn't right. You should not be eating this much fat. You know? And even there's maybe a little bit of a stomach ache or, or, you know, just feeling like you can't eat that much fat, but then once you feel that click, to me, that was such a cool experience and it was, uh, I, I still frame that in my mind as an experience, an experience where I became so much more connected to my body. I remember that we wander around through our lives a lot of times, very disconnected from our body. Meaning we, we are in our heads all the time, right? Everything's intellectual. We're thinking, we're feeling, we're all of that kind of stuff. And, and we, we almost disconnect from our bodies and all of these things happen on autopilot are walking, are typing, are working, all that kind of stuff becomes muscle memory. And it's really, we just kind of leave our bodies most of the day and there's very few windows of time in our lives that we get back connected to our body. And, you know, those are whenever we have an injury, we're forced to reconnect with our body. Whenever we, um, exercise, we're, we're, we'll find windows of reconnecting to our body when we feel that lactate or that pain or whatever. That's it. That's an auto connection to our body. Don't get me wrong, you can work out and never connect with your body, but that's probably not the most beneficial type of working out. Um, and so that's why I tell people when they know, when they talked to me about working out or exercising and stuff, I don't, I don't try to find things to distract me or specifically like television or something like that because I want, I want that experience of feeling what it's like to move, you know what I mean? I'm not saying that I'm perfect at that and that you shouldn't listen to things or whatever distract yourself. I'm not saying that I'm not a purist, but I'm just saying that's a cool, a cool experience. Anyway, I just frame that a feeling of becoming fat adapted to a time in my life when I was the most connected to my body.

Eric: 19:53 And it's a good point in my wife. She, you know, she'll always tell me if I'm like, I take things too far because we're talking. We just talking about that subject and I said, honey, do you ever like when you're working out, do you ever just picture each cell what the Krebs Cycle, the electron transport change, those electrons are going down and pumping the hydrogen ions up into the Matrix and coming. I'm producing ATP like, oh my gosh, now I'm done with you. I'm done. No, but we're not even having the same conversation. It's amazing when you connect to your mitochondria basically that you really thinking about how this is operating your body. She's like, oh my gosh, I just want to sweat and be done. I don't even like, wow, maybe I'm going a little too deep on this, but it was like two different perspectives, but a little too deep a little bit. I like it. I really think about, you know, the free radicals and what they're doing. I, you know, I, I just kind of visualize it and I don't know if I should share that, but that's what I think the same way when you eat too though, right? Yes, I do. I do. I think about all the, all the nutrients and what, what's coming in, what it's doing. I'm just trying to figure it out really.

Chad: 21:07 So, but you also spend 12 to 15 hours of your day reading, studying this stuff and so I think it would be impossible for you not to think about those processes to connect to

Eric: 21:19 And when I teach it, when I'm teaching genes, genetics, genetics to people and coaching and coaching, everything's becoming genetically applied in my mind and thinking about how the genes are working in the DNA and how the genetic expression and it just starts to all, all the pieces are fitting together as I learned. So it's kind of, you know, I'm getting, you know, I know all learning all the mechanics of the engine basically how it operates. So it looks awesome out.

Chad: 21:50 Another big downer if I can. Um, and then once again we're talking about these downers. Are these these downs because we don't want people to feel alone or isolated or feel like they're the only ones. Uh, this is a big one. Plateaus. So whatever your goals are, whether it's weight loss, whether it's performance, whether it's a cog, cognition, that kind of stuff. There's, there's a big, there's a big feeling I think in the Keto community that there shouldn't be plateaus and there just are.

Eric: 22:28 I coached us in the stalls, plateaus, whatever you wanna call it. And I try to research it and try to put a meaning, our explanation behind it and there's just some that I just keep chasing. It's like today I tested a zero point three this morning on my Beta and I'm like, alright, what's this? And in [inaudible] 96 on my blood, my blood sugar, no reason. There's no I'm, I'm keto. But it's just, I could go through a period where I have a whole stall, you know, for a week. And then I got to try to figure it out. But it, it, it's real, it's real. And I feel bad for a lot of people that will go through a four week or six weeks or even longer, you know, and especially in body composition if you're trying to change him and, and your body sometimes just, you know, I've come to conclusion, Chad, that sometimes your body just says stop. And it just, it, it's reached its, you know, I called the homeostasis or sweet spot and it says, I just want you to stay here for a little while and then all of a sudden, boom, you break through it. And I try, I do fasting, I do a lot of different, um, uh, uh, things to see how to break through stalls, less calories, less carbs, higher fat, lower protein. Been through it all, been through it all. And there's really, I can't put my finger on one thing. I can't, you know, everybody's different. Every body is different. And how your brain protects your body and your cellular functions and your metabolism. How we all operate a little different.

Chad: 24:10 Yeah. I think the hardest stall for me is, uh, is within cognition. If, if there's a particular period of time where I'm feeling down or feeling distracted or tired, um, that's really difficult for me because I'm like, come on. Yeah, I'm, I'm getting Beta for a reason. Where's that at? And uh, I mean, and I've never struggled with a weight loss stall or, or a or a bulking stall or anything like that. I just haven't been interested in those things as much. Um, but the, the cognition stall really gets to me.

Eric: 24:47 It does. Yeah. And I think a lot of people have shared that with me. Then, you know, the afternoon, they always felt very, you know, very cognitive and then the cognition is, is, has gone and they're trying to figure out what happened to it and then all of a sudden the next day, Bam, it's right there. It's right there and stress. And you know, I'm doing a study on Cortisol, a seven day study to bring in that, you know, we always say cortisol, cortisol, I, I say it, cortisol in the morning could drive your blood sugar up and bring your ketones down. Your Beta. It can effect, but I'm doing it seven day study on Lactate, glucose and Beta and Cortisol, seven, seven tests strict. I'm eating the same thing same time everyday and I'm going to see the correlation. Nobody brings a lactate into the picture, but I have been studying lactate and I test my lactate everyday and I'm going to bring lactate into the fuel source and see what it does in regard to cortisol, blood sugar and your Beta. I'm going to try to figure out why we have these differences in the morning and I really believe it's cortisol related so I will be able to do a seven day. I start next week and it's going to be a real strict, a experiment to draw the correlation because we always hear about cortisol, cortisol, cortisol, but now we're going to bring lactate into the picture and I'll be able to share that. I think that'll help a lot of people out there, especially in your stalls is what I'm looking for.

Chad: 26:12 Yup. I'm ready for another big down. Yeah. Give it another. How do you know? I probably know waking up or, or going to the fridge after an 18 hour fast and realizing you don't have any bacon. That's, that's true. That's a good one. Do you want to hear a really big up? Yeah. Fasting for 18 hours going into your fridge and finding bacon.

Eric: 26:42 You know, it's funny how, how when I look at everybody's Macros, it's amazing, uh, the bacon consumption because it's something that we always avoided and there's good healthy bacon and it's amazing how much, how many meals or with bacon and I, I include, I eat bacon, bacon almost everyday. Bacon and eggs. It's just, it's what I like. I, I want the fat and I want the, a coleen from the eggs and everything else, but it's a, but it's not. It doesn't hit the dopamine receptors like a maple bar used to or a fruit. It's awfully close.

Chad: 27:20 Maybe not In the same way, but man, I sure get a watery mouth when i start opening.

Eric: 27:27 It's that satiating taste, I guess what it is. It tastes good, but it's amazing that Bacon is, is, is huge.

Chad: 27:36 What was the one that you were the one you thought I was going to bring up?

Eric: 27:41 No. One of them is, um, that we talked about and is the meal planning and I think some of it is getting harder now because if you know, we're on instagram of course and you see a ton of meals and pictures coming forth on instagram and you could just scroll for hours and see these delicious. I mean very time consuming. Probably a lot of them to make. And I think some people that I've talked to are saying, ah, Ketosis, I, I see it, I hear it, but it looks like so much preparation to make those meals. And I'm like, no, Ketosis is actually easier. They're like, what? And it's, it's, you know, what's out there is everybody's pushing, you know, there's foods there's in is ketos getting made simpler course, but all these fancy dessert, different things are changing. And so I, I worry that some people think that wild to be in Ketosis, it's going to be so much food prep too because what they're seeing out there that's being presented and people are getting pretty fancy, which is nothing wrong with that. If you have the time to do that and you enjoy doing it, that's fantastic. But people like me, I mean I eat the same thing every day and it's. And I love the convenience of it. I love the taste of it and it's easy for me. So I think some of the people are having some difficulty coming up now with, with a food preparation and meal. That's a great point. No planning, nothing complicated a lot more than it needs to be. Yes, yes. And you if you intermittent fast, which I'm a big fan of, of course, if you're down to one, one, two meals a day and don't. I think you told me, I remember, you know, in the early days you're like wow, this is really real simple way of eating. And, and I think more and more people are, are they realized that keto and when you travel and one of my biofitters said it's really, it's easy for them because they can always order salads, egg omelets, and, and things they do fasting while they're traveling and they make it really simple for themselves.

Chad: 29:46 Yep. Absolutely. Um, another one that has two sides is it's a big downer for me when I start to think of keto as a diet, you know, and, and I see this a lot. People talk about it all the time as a diet, um, and, and that's just a big downer for me, but when you look at it as a lifestyle and it's something that you are committing to for a long time and, and not even committing to just just fueling your body the way it was meant to be fueled that, that's a huge upper for me because it's just like, wow, we, we have found a way to fuel our bodies in a way that it's meant to be, that it makes us feel good naturally. And you know, we can, we can get rid of a lot of the medications and the supplements and the Blah Blah Blah, blah blah, because this is a lifestyle, not a diet.

Eric: 30:45 Perfect. Yes I do. It's great because when you think about macros then if you go to the, you know, like how you think about macros is different than how I think about macros. I'm thinking of macros of what's going into the cellular membrane, what, what lipids belong in there, what they're doing in there, you know, you avoided lipid peroxidation and what's going into the Mitochondria that fuel. So it's like, it's amazing that I, I really start to pay attention to macros and my people just say, hey, eat all the vegetables. You can overdo this, but they really don't understand what it's doing in the cell. And what is the purpose of it. Okay? And you can overshoot anything. Everything we can, you know, I can overshoot my macros in vitamin A or vitamin C, e, any of the. Even in antioxidants, you can overshoot them. So it becomes something that you, that lifestyle that you adapt. You're actually changing everything. You know, cellular wise, but you really don't think about it that way, you know, and so it's, it's a lot of it's taste, but when you think about fat, what it really does for the body and how beneficial is for membranes, then you think, oh, this is really a good thing, and that's the hardest thing I have with coaching is get that people over this fat magnetic message that they've learned from many years that fat is not good for, you know, a hard absolutely hard. And you, when you said fat adapted that I love hearing that from, from everybody when they say they're fat adapted because they realized the energy source and what it does for them and they feel it. You actually feel it. You really do feel it. Yeah. Your body operates different event.

Chad: 32:25 Um, are there any others? I mean that kind of exhausted my list. Are there any others that were like overwhelming answers from, from your biofitters?

Eric: 32:33 No, I think a lot of it, you know, I think, um, I think the greatest is people, their cravings on the upside. Okay. Uh, and again, you know, you choose your addictions in a way, but when food becomes your cravings, because you know, again, we're gonna tap into the dopamine in the reward center that we're so used to rewarding and not eating food to just stay alive and exist and, you know, and basically function, we get away from it to where all the sugar industry took over and really pushed us that way and to say, hey, this, this is how you know, you should eat. And next thing you know, you're into an addiction situation with dopamine. And I think what's so exciting, I love when I hear biofilters and those that are out there that comment to us that they're amazed that they're not craving a, the sweets and the foods that were harming them. They're not, they don't have the cravings anymore and their appetite has really reduced. And, and, and they're not thinking about food. Like you said, you're not thinking about food. So I'm a, you, you have to remind yourself to eat. And I think that's a big upside. You know, uh, let your body tell, you know, listen to your body. If you're hungry, you're hungry, if you're not, you're not, but you know, we've been accustomed like, oh, you got to feed yourself every two hours. Oh, your body needs. Of course your brain needs glucose every two hours if that's all you're giving it. Of course you've got to give it something, but if you have fat and you have protein in your body is burning the fat on your body as an energy source. So let it take its course. Real simple. Yep. That's great.

Chad: 34:07 Well, thanks for biohacking with us today Eric.

Eric: 34:09 I hope we covered everything. I think I got a lot of, um, what people talk to me about. Um, and I'm sure anybody else out there, if you, you've got some that we miss hit us up on instagram or facebook and we love the whole. I like to hear about it, but we're always, we're always getting ideas to talk to you guys about. And uh, and we didn't have any science today. Well, yeah, not really, right? I don't think I did. I'm good. I'm good. A little context. Is it okay. I, I get away with it.

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