06/26/19 E94 Protecting Your Liver (the one inside you)

So when Eric's not talking about eating liver, he is talking about your liver...And what it needs to be healthy! Today the guys discuss one of Eric's favorite topics as they go over the benefits of this important organ, and how to keep it in tip-top shape.

Eric's liver obsession comes in many forms.

The next upcoming epidemic.

How can you protect your liver?

Eric's Cliff notes version of everything the liver does.

What does "detox" actually mean?

Why detox should primarily occur on the inside (the natural way).

Are you a slow or fast metabolizer?

And, the many benefits of the "liver elixir" (milk thistle)

Did you know bioStak contains killer mushroom antidote? No joke! But, it also contains the 5 natural ingredients your body needs to operate at peak performance. Go to bioStak.comnow to grab yours.

And as always, if you have any questions on this episode (or any questions in general) don’t hesitate to reach out to us at bioteam@biofitcoaching.com, or submit a question on www.lifeinketosispodcast.com

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Transcript:

Eric: 00:00 Delivers in charge. I mean the liver is in charge. It's the hub and this is what controls the homeostasis of glucose levels.

Chad: 00:09 They say a journey begins in a single step or in my case, one less piece of bread. My name is Chad and I was seeker. I have sought out an expert in the field of nutrition and fitness who I hoped would help me feel well better. They call him the biohacker, but I call them Eric. I hope you'll join me in a path that leads you and I to optimal fitness, the body and the mind as we live our life in ketosis. This is the life in Ketosis podcast, a bio hackers guide to optimal body performance.

Chad: 00:52 Hello everyone. My name is Chad and this is my quest to achieving the healthy state of being with a man that can get me there. My mentor and cohost, he's a science to my regular guy. The extreme testing to my, I'll take your word for it, the biohacker himself, Mr Eric Bischof. Somewhere along this journey of ours, I realized that feeling better is really one, part physical and one part mental. And both are needed to achieve the optimal state of being what I call keto, happiness or ketosiness. And today we're talking about the liver. Now there's a, there's a reason why we're talking about the liver. If you haven't been listening for awhile, you should know that Eric is a little obsessed with the liver. First tell us how you're doing and then tell us why you're so obsessed with the liver.

Eric: 01:37 Eh, yes, I am. Oh, I'm doing pretty good. Um, I'm, I'm hanging in there. Uh, everything's going okay. Um, family's okay. Grandson is doing better, so that's always good news. Um, I wish I was where you are, but I can't be. So where are you now? You know, you're on your venture, uh, camping and traveling. So where are you?

Chad: 02:03 Just outside of Seattle. Just outside of Seattle, Washington. Yeah,

Eric: 02:06 I saw some of your pictures. I wish I was there. Yeah, I mean, I, I got to get out and do some of that. So, um, and, and you're coming back when, uh, we'll be back this week. That's great. Okay.

Chad: 02:21 Yep. So about two and a half week, uh, journey is what we did.

Eric: 02:25 So I might get to see it for a day or two until you split again.

Chad: 02:28 Maybe. We're restless people. We don't

Eric: 02:34 Lisa's always saying is he's always, that family's always gone, aren't they? They're always gone it everything. And I said, yeah, that's what we gotta be doing. We gotta pack up the dog and you know, I can podcast out there and, but she doesn't dig it. I can take all my papers, boxes and she, yeah, she doesn't think I can do it, but I think I can tend to agree. I think you need to go away from the papers.

Eric: 02:57 Yeah. Well these days I'll get computerized. Huh? Electronic. I know I probably got thousands of files around here. Please. Tiles anyway. Oh well I'll work on it. So anyway, the liver, yes. I'm obsessed with both. I guess delivering your body in the liver, you eat. So, but, but deliver we're talking about is the, that three pound organ that's sitting on your right side of your abdomen. So that's the one we're talking about today. How critical, how important, uh, basically, um, the basic functions of it and how to protect it and detox it. That's what we're to talking about today is basically the liver, some functions and, and I'm all about protecting the liver. Uh, and you know, you've heard me go on and on about fatty liver disease, nonalcoholic fatty delivery, liver disease, and it is, the liver is your metabolic hub. You know, we, we can't live without it. You know, we can live with a po part of one cause it regenerates. But you know, I talk about this, you know, liver fatty liver disease all the time. We remember 70 million people are affected by this here in the United States. And remember I always said next 10 years, it's going to be, it's expected to be the leading cause of liver transplants and we just don't have enough livers out there. This is going to be an epidemic issue. And so I'm not going fatty liver today. I've beat that drum a ton. You know, Choline phosphatidylcholine, fructose, VLDL is all that stuff out of the liver and protecting it. But today we're just going to basically talk about the protection of liver and how key and a few of the functions that, you know, we can basically start out with that. You know, that, that I've talked about.

Eric: 04:52 I remember fatty liver, you know, with that issue of that failed liver disease. One reminder, it raises that cardiovascular disease, coronary heart disease, like three times in men and up to like 12 or 14 times in women. And even with diabetes 10, 10 times. So it's really critical to keep this liver functioning, operating, no fatigue. And that's why the liver is so key. And so some of the functions, um, that, that we've talked about and some of the vital functions, especially when we're dealing, you know, in Ketosis, we're always talking about glucose. We talk about fatty acids, we talk about ketones. And so some of the metabolic issues that deliver takes care of, or things that being in ketosis that we're dealing with. Okay. So Glucose, uh, you know, where the livers in charge, I mean the liver is in charge, it's the hub and this what controls the homeostasis of glucose.

Eric: 05:58 And so we know in our how glucose travels via the blood from the small intestine via the portal vein, straight to the liver. Remember, you know, we have two, uh, two blood supplies to the liver, you know, one and a two sources. The portal vein of course delivers like 65%, and that's glucose and other nutrients go straight to the liver. The other sources, oxygen. But that's a hepatic artery. So in port, and we know that liver controls, but sugar, because it goes there first. And remember we, you know, just don't forget that it's the glycogen. The liver says, Hey, you know, I'm going to top off that glycogen storage because that's what it does to control blood sugar. It has to have the glycogen. So you go low, it's gonna, it's going to deliver a little glycogen out there to bring up your glucose. Um, so the glycogen oh, is, is, that's why it gets dims first. It's got to top that off. And remember, a lot of people think glycogen is therefore your muscles and everything else. It is to help other tissues and organs for, for ATP to give a glucose. But remember it's the brain. It's always going to have enough to protect the brain, cause the brain lives on glucose. If you're not in Ketosis, the brain has to have glucose to survive. So the brain's always going to be this survivor and make sure the liver has protected it by having that glycogen. So that's why it's always there. So also the liver controls gluconeogenesis. Do you remember what that is? I know you do. I've talked about it enough. The whoever's in control, if there's not enough glycogen are other available energy substrate where we're talking about like if you're not in ketosis or whatever, it'll obviously break down on the molecules to provide that glucose, amino acids, lactate, glycerol cetera.

Eric: 07:42 Okay, so remember that's one of the big functions that delivers in charge of, and then we'd come to the next one, and I don't want to be rambling here, is fatty acids, especially dietary fatty acids, acid metabolism. Remember the Kyla microns, we talked about the April B protein, you know, you're fat gets carried out basically, and that through the thoracic duct glymphatic to the blood goes to the heart and then obviously it's going to go to storage or I show that's your dietary fat that you're eating. It's either going to go to storage, it's going to be utilized as energy source. But what about the storage that we have in in Dodgers? We already are adipose sites. Okay? So we have livers in charge of and helping the fatty acid breakdown. Okay? So that's why policies. And so, um, if you're eating too many carbs, you remember too much glucose is member de Novo lipogenesis delivery will actually take that converted into triglyceride and that'll send it off for storage.

Speaker 1: 08:44 All right. And what's the big thing? We talk about fatty acids with liver ketone production cell. The liver controls this, you know, and we know, I don't have to go into detail. The actual little Acetate, everything else, how this sheet of Colet gets backed up and then it converts to ketones. We all know how that happens. All right? So the liver, you know, you think about it, if your liver is functioning properly, this is what you need. Okay. Then we have proteins. The liver produces amino acids. Okay. Um, the non essential Aminos, you remember the essentially, you know, acids. We have to eat those. And so we need these proteins to be made in the liver, especially the liver produces that apo B number, a puppies involved with the VLDL carrying fat out of the liver. Albumin, another protein. It makes, it makes a lot of proteins that we need to worry about. Okay. So those are some of the easy, basic functions that we're dealing with. And I can go on about the liver, but remember there is a lot of vital things. The liver does many more important things like controls, cholesterol, filters, blood. Uh, what else? Uh, steroid production, uh, converse, ammonia to urea, bio production, fat soluble vitamins are stored. They're fatty acid clearance. Like we talked about. Vitamin D, I can't tell you there's, there's over 500 functions of the liver. So, so anyway, I think I got through that a little bit.

Chad: 10:07 It's slightly important, right?

Eric: 10:10 Yeah. Just those functions alone, low hanging fruit, but very important. I mean, steroid production, cholesterol, protein. I mean we can, we can have, we can go on for an hour about the liver. That's how this organ is. So dominating in the body and protecting it is, is key. And so that's what we get into in the detox. And so what do you,

Chad: 10:34 let's, let's talk about that word for a minute. Detox. Because we hear that word tossed around a lot, you know, a lot of different ways. In fact, I think it's losing a little bit of its meaning because it's used in so many different ways. And so you're going to talk a little bit about detox on this, on this episode today. And I'd love to lay some groundwork for what you mean by detox. I mean, I've heard of juice detox, I've heard of, um, you know, uh, fasting being a type of detox I've heard of. So what are we talking about when we say detox or when you say detox, especially in relationship to our liver

Eric: 11:11 See and why I'm close to this is because if we're going to talk about something that's called the cytochrome p four 50, this is your detox indogenous detox system in, in the liver. Okay? And these are in the hepatic cells. 95% of your livers might've hepatic cells. When we talk about detox, we have everybody's talking about out there as mainly the exotic genus detox, the juices, the fasting supplements in one we'll talk about today. Okay? What I'm, you know, that I'm, then I have a passion for, but in the detox, we're talking about detoxing the liver of poison toxins, chemicals, pesticides, name it. You know, as you know, xenobiotics hormones, antibiotics, carcinogens, pollutants, um, it goes on and the drugs, medications that you take, all right?

Eric: 12:03 And so there's a lot of different detox methods and cleanses. And so when I'm, I'm kind of on the inside track of it because I'm looking, I have, I've had the opportunity and privilege to look at all 75 or more genetic, um, genomes of, of my clients. So I'm actually getting the inside picture of what's going on with these liver enzymes, these detoxification genes. And so I'm seeing what you can do endogenously in protecting your liver. Uh, and I see the mutations, I see the different variants, you know, and there's a lot and we'll talk about it, but there's a lot of action going on in what we call the, uh, endoplasmic reticulum, the smooth portion of, of doing detoxification. So what I'm saying is, yeah, we can have a lot of detox cleanses and systems and different things coming from the outside, but we better work what's endogenously because that's the power.

Eric: 13:08 That's where the bulk of it's coming from. Okay. And a lot of people get how we're naturally meant. Yes. That's how we were naturally meant to detox. Yes. But we are in, you know what my biggest passion is? We're incorporating so many exotic [inaudible] environmental toxins. You know, if we live long time time ago, we didn't have everything just coming on us, you know, without, with all these toxins, pesticides, chemicals, drugs, it's just constant. And uh, pharmaceutical drugs, everything. Um, so our system is getting tax. I really believe, you know, and then when I see mutations and I have clients that have some serious mutations in what we're talking about, the cytochrome p four 50 that they need to enhance, you know, some exotic agonists, um, uh, um, detox, you know, antioxidant, anti-inflammatory things. So it, it does, it does come play a role, but you just can't clean out your liver at one time and cleanse it and think you're all good to go, not going to happen.

Chad: 14:10 So how do we, how do we continue to protect to ourselves, um, and, and continued that detox in a life it doesn't, isn't too interrupting to life or, or is within our Keto lifestyle or you know, that kind of stuff. How do we take care of that liver?

Eric: 14:27 So your liver saying, Hey, in dodge, actually I can take care of this through what we call the cytochrome poor. 54 50 enzymes. All right. And I looked and you know, I haven't, I have every one of my four 50 genes downloaded to see what kind of mutations I have. If I have in what I do have, I show what this is. This is p four 50 it's a fee. It's kind of a big family of enzymes. Okay. That are produced from those, Ah, I'm just called p four 50 from now on jeans. All right. So these are involved in the synthesis of certain molecules that will metabolize, break down certain chemicals, toxins, poisons, whatever. And they do also do some building up of certain molecules too. But right now we're in the detox mode. Okay. So all these enzymes, these P, these p four 50 or found, you know, in the liver, like I said, you know, outside the nucleus kind of attach. Yeah, that endoplastic reticulum. You have a Roth, you have a smooth, and not going to go into the sides of it, but basically it's inside the smooth er, we'll call that. All right. So there's about 57 total genes that produce 57 enzymes that are kind of the bulk of them. And the most popular one that we've talked about, which you've heard me talk about it, is the CYP one, a two, remember I said caffeine, that gene that makes me a very fast metabolizer of caffeine.

Eric: 15:55 And so that's the one, you know, most people want when they're talking about it out there. This is the one they hear cytochrome paper in a is is the, uh, the one eight, two and 23 in me gives, you said, oh, your caffeine gene, this one, you're either a fast metabolizer or a slow metabolizer. Okay. So, um, so out of this family we have that, that genes what we know about, but there's about 12 that really are responsible for the removal of the toxins and drugs, medications, um, chemicals, caffeine even. And so, like I said, they're all found in the Er and the smooth portion. And, and so when I do that consulting for people, I look at the main 12 of them. Okay. And so how does that mutation affects you? All right. So what's your response in this sense? It's the detox taking place.

Eric: 16:54 . How do you respond to these drugs? All right, so basically what it does, uh, the, the enzymes, they either gonna make you a poor metabolizers, that means you're slow at metabolizing. So we'll use caffeine. You could use any drug, uh, antidepressants or anything. So if you're a slow metabolizer, what do you think's going to happen? It's going to be, it affects you more, right? Yep. Yeah. And it's going to stay in there longer. Then they have a next classification called the intermediate metabolizer, a normal metabolizer. And then you have a fast metabolizer. They call it like the ultra metabolizer. So like in that caffeine, I'm fast metabolizer and only 40, 41% of the population is a fast metabolizer. So basically it's going to all come boil down to is as far as endogenously is going to come down to. What kind of metabolizer are you in in each of these? Um, uh, these jeans and the one like the CYP a, I think it's the, a three, a four and a, I'll throw these out, but these are all jeans. This one controls like 50 to 55, 60% of all your drug, your drugs and your medications. So this gene alone, if, if you have a mutation, if you're a slow metabolizer, then you don't, you won't need as much a dose or you won't need as many pills. Okay. So, yeah, and then you know, obviously there's other ones, even the like the CYP Two d six Nyquil, there's one there. That enzyme will break down antidepressants, um, uh, opioids and Beta blockers, you have ones even for a cancer drugs that they'll see if you have this genetic what kind of mutation or if you don't, if you'll metabolize a cancer juncture, they're using this and you know, pharmaceuticals are using these to see how you're going to react to a certain drug.

Chad: 18:54 Um, the drug is to make this also, this also in the is, um, when people say you're a lightweight, right, even drinking alcohol, if you're a lightweight, same thing, you know, if you don't need much, you're a slow metabolizer because it's sitting in there longer and the enzymes are taking longer to break it down.

Eric: 19:12 Exactly. So Cortisol, their same thing. You know, they, there's so many of these, the main 12 are handling even on alcohol. Okay. And so now, you know, you know, and especially when I look at your, your genes, I know if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're drinking alcohol, I can tell if you're going to get a big buzz from it or not. So, but the sad part is we know it. Alcohol is very important to break down, obviously, you know, and get on top of that of course. But, but the thing about it is, is how, um, you don't know, you know, unless you've had your genes done and et cetera. You don't know until you take the drug and what kind of effects you have. It's like pain pills have no effect on me. Opioids, I don't, I've taken that class, you know, years ago, you know, for pain. And my brother would literally get high on it. Like he could just, he always sat could walk on a roof and I have no fear. I absolutely feel nothing, Chad. I really don't. And so now of course I know why. And I looked at him and I'm a fast metabolizer. How about you on certain things or you are you fast metabolizers? Slow?

Chad: 20:22 I'm slow. I don't need much of anything to start to feel the effects of it. Ah, yeah.

Eric: 20:29 So, so you're a slow metabolozer, the caffeine keeps you awake or can you move to that?

Chad: 20:34 It doesn't really keep me awake, but if I am awake and I drink, like I drink my coffee really slow. Like I have a Mug and it lasts me a couple of hours because if I just took it down I'd be jittery. So yeah. Yup. Yeah. So this, this all really closely explained or this is all very clear as far as indogenous, um, breaking all this stuff. So what about exogenous? Is there any dodginess protection for the liver or anything we can do to protect ourselves from toxins?

Eric: 21:09 the only thing before I go the exoticness is really, we have to excrete these now, so we got to break them down. Okay, so it's so it's key to make sure that, that we've, we've got to break these, these toxins, poisons, chemicals, hormones, antioxidants, whatever, pollution. These all have to be broken down. And the key to breaking them down is what we call the phase one pathway space too. And so I just keep, I won't even go into that. These are two phase one, phase two very critical. And the big goal of all this is bottom line, it's got to convert these toxins, these drugs as a waste product, but they need to be extruded out of the body. Okay? And so what takes place? You've got to convert these toxins, let's just call them all toxins or whatever. Um, you have to, they're fat soluble. So you've got to, you know, that's non-polar. That's hydrophobic. All right? That's what we call this. You've got to convert it to water soluble polar, you know, hydrophilic means it loves water. So you've got to add a hydroxyl group to these and basically get it to water so it can be excreted obviously by the kidneys, through urine, uh, by bio, uh, feces and then, or by, you know, sweat through the skin. So that's the, that's how we're all getting these. All the breakdown that we're doing inside the liver to detox is we've got to get, get them to a water soluble so they can be excreted. And so that's very critical. But now obviously we get to the exhaust as you know, we're getting to what we can take. And what led me into the passion of it is because of looking at the genes, looking at the mutations, you know, everything I do is just say, hey, how can I increase cellular membrane functioning or you know, the free radical antioxidants, anti-inflammatory, everything is geared around that.

Eric: 23:09 And I thought well what's one of the best out there? One of the most known out there is milk thistle. So, you know, I can, we can talk about milk thistle forever. But you know, we, we've talked about just basically Kinda a little bit, you know, in regard to the stack. But I'm not bringing this up, you know, for the stack or whatever. Obviously I put it in the stack because I wanted something to basically pinpoint the liver. It is an antioxidant. Yes, it is. It's probably not the strongest one I have in there. But it also that what's exciting about the, that milk thistle, it actually works in the liver. All right? So we're sending it to the hepatic cells where it does its, you know, the effect and the function and the success of it is there. And, and you remember, you know, it's basically a weed, you know, it's, uh, you know, we, the active ingredient that it contains is silymarin.

Eric: 24:07 And I think you've, you know, we've talked about this. It's just basically just like a weed that's been around 2000 years, I think. Uh, the first time the healing properties go back to like 48 d. And so it's milkthistle and we, you know, the milk, it's a milky substance that comes from when you crush the leaves. But this is really a natural liver support. I remember, I call it the liver elixir. And so as we discussed the pay for 50s and dodginess, now we are taking something exotic generously to give that support and protection to the liver. So it's can,

Chad: 24:44 so let me ask you this, can milk thistle, this is kind of left field. So if you don't know the answer, that's fine. I don't know. But can milk, can milk thistle, um, help with, um, your metabolism speed. Like does it change metabolism speed and, or is it more just effectiveness index in extracting and excreting toxins? Or does it roll jump?

Eric: 25:08 Yeah, it's really a toxin. But remember it's the metabolic hub is the liver. So if we clean up the liver, okay, even more and let the endogenous, you know, that's already there and don't tax that so much, and the gludethyon and everything else, we bring it from the outside, you're going to have a better, you know, metabolism of proteins, fatty acids, glucose, your insulin is going to come down, you're going to control that. So basically you're going to have more energy. All right? So everything there is basically, and it's all energy oriented in the end run because you're, you're protecting your mitochondria, your electric transport chain. Okay. So, yes, you're, you're right on that. It is there. And so basically, you know, when you get down to what's exciting about, um, um, nope, all is it's worldwide. Okay. Germany, they have their scientific board, you know, it, it actually recommends it as a, you know, for toxin induced liver damage, they actually are behind it, 100% for inflammation of the liver.

Eric: 26:17 Um, because of that, one active components got silicon in it. And most, most subs, Cain contains 60, 70% of it. And you gotta make sure that's what you're looking for, like ours. And even some of it has, you know, there's other flavonoids in it and oleic acid and I think there's Pol medic acid and there's vitamin e and some plant sterols, but there's more in the plant. But the main thing is the Sullivan and that's what's behind all the research. I've caught like 60 80 studies piled up that I've been through for animal research and human research. It's just an amazing herb on what it does. And we're back to that, like you said, that antioxidant, anti-inflammatory, anti toxicity. So there's a lot of things that this herb touches on and some of my favorites, um, you know, I don't want to go too long, but obviously it's an antioxidant and it also really, really will enhance your glutathione and that's your master antioxidant.

Eric: 27:16 Um, and so within the liver itself, you have glutathione, uh, that's there and this will actually enhance that glutathione. So what happens, you don't want to tax your glutathione is an antioxidant fighting toxins and chemicals and, and things all the time. So now you have something to help increase the global science and take some of that load off glutathione. Okay. And that's one of the, that's a critical role. I, you know, can fight cancer. There's some simple things we can talk about. I have polyps in my colon and this one thing that Julie took their benign, but you know, when you do cancer research on, on milk thistle uh, they've actually, you know, it's been noted to actually help and killing off precancer cells so that could prevent colon cancer. Obviously it does a lot with cancer. Uh, uh, medication chemotherapy really helps. Uh, obviously it's going to protect the liver from drugs and toxins like we've talked about.

Eric: 28:15 Uh, there's studies after studies, uh, how, how milk this all alone will help detox those drugs. Um, and you know, even, yeah, I think we've talked about it once. A mushroom, that death cap mushroom, I think we talked about it, but it's for death cap. That's the number one killer mushroom worldwide. And it's like the number one antidote for the death cap poisoning. And it's the only one that shows success in preventing death. So you know what it's doing. It's protecting the liver. Okay. It's, yeah, it's detoxing toxin that, but you know, it, it's as an antioxidant. Remember I've talked about nerf to activation. It's there. It activates that nerve too, that your antioxidant defense system, uh, anti-inflammatory, the NF Kappa B, I mean, that's your hub that turns on, you know, that's your, um, transcription factor for the nucleus to turn on those inflammatory cytokine genes. Okay. That initiates inflammation. This actually blocks that. I mean, sir, tune heat shock proteins. Yes. There's so many things. One of my favorite, you know, I, I have clients that have iron issues and so this thing really, really helps with, you know, iron overload. Because remember, if you're all, if your iron is not bound like hemochromatosis, you get too much iron. Remember that mixes with the superoxide radical and or hydrogen peroxide and it becomes hydrox hereto radical. One of the worst ones that attack your cellular membrane. Lipid peroxidation. So iron overload, it actually helps reduce and helps iron absorption. Diabetes. There's trials and tons of studies on, on diabetics lowering their insulin resistance and their blood sugars. And I can go on, keep going for the brain. The BDNF, you know, comes to mind, you know, you know me and the brain derived neurotropic factor guys.

Eric: 30:10 I mean, you want to increase neurons, synapses, you want that, your hippocampus, it's been stone as shown to help, um, increase BDNF. Um, high can keep going if you want. I know I'm rambling here, but I just bottom line, um, milk this all you know, is, is such a key or to to enhance your, your liver protection. You want to keep your liver from fatiguing. And we're really hurting ourselves with fatty liver disease. So we're putting a burden on our liver. So if we can do things in Dodgers, sleep to enhance that p four 50 through cruciferous vegetables and the B complex and vitamins. Um, and you know, if you knew your mutations then you can kind of pinpoint it. But milk vessel, as far as I'm concerned, in the studies, I looked at it for like cellular membrane protection and actually can be on the outside of the, your cellular membrane and it'll keep toxins from attaching to receptor, which is a fantastic, yeah. Benefit. So there is a lot of things on animal studies, but I try to stay to the human studies as much as I can, but milk there. So guys, it's, it's one herb not to be left out in your daily supplements.

Chad: 31:29 So yeah, sounds like it does a couple of things. I mean, it's so important. It's so important. It made it into the stack, right? I mean, you are considering so many different ingredients for the stack. And if people don't know what we're talking about when we call, talk about the stack. It's bioStak and go to bioStak.com. It's the five, you know, organic, synergistic ingredients. The Eric compiled together and put it in a nice little two capsule a day dosage for you. And it's phenomenal. And milk thistle is one of the main, one of the main, there's only five. It is one of the five ingredients that were important enough to, to make it in there. Um, and I think that says something for it alone. It's just that you wanted that into the stack to make sure we were getting that tech protection, the antioxidant detox, uh, protection, right?

Eric: 32:21 Yeah. Just for, you know, that, that, that's going to focus on the liver. And you know, like I said, through all my genetic studies and looking at everybody's genes, that's why I'm am really an advocate of protecting your liver and get it functioning. Because everything that's your hub at your hub, if you're not on stack be on milk thistle, uh, it, they would really enhance you. I mean, you know, that's why the doses, it's all dosage, you know, um, regulated on, you know, what's going to do for cancer and different things. Um, but in just in the stack alone, since there's other antioxidants, you know, I've got the right amount I believe of, of milk vessel to enhance and a lot of people in ketosis are living really clean. All right? They're not getting the processed food and all the chemicals and junk. So we don't need an overabundance of these antioxidants because your body's, you know, functioning very well. And so too many antioxidants aren't a good thing cause oxidants actually have cellular signaling that's very important for the body. So that's why I think I did really well on the doses. But get your milk thistle, no matter what.

Chad: 33:31 Yeah, no matter what. But you should get it through Biostak I'll go ahead and say Eric, Eric's too humble to say it, but you definitely should be getting it from bioStak. So yeah,

Eric: 33:40 and organic and organic cause it's, it's out there and you know, everybody knows the FDA doesn't really regulate supplements. So are you getting 70% of silly Ben? That's the active ingredient in milk. This, are you getting it organic? Where's it coming from? Who's growing it? I mean girls like weeds everywhere in the south, California. So just just pay attention to who you know, what you're getting. That's all.

Chad: 34:05 Yeah. Well this is great. Go to biostak.com check it out. Eric, thank you so much for biohacking with us today. No, thank you. And I want to thank the rest of you for joining us on this quest for optimal fitness. If you're ready to begin your own journey and live your life in Ketosis, be sure to check out biofitcoaching.com.com or biofit coaching on Instagram that handles @keto.biohacker. Also, if this podcast has helped you or entertained you in any way, please go to iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts. Leave a five star rating and a glowing review that helps us reach more people and grow the community. Finally, the greatest compliment that you can give us is sharing this podcast with your friends or family, those who need it the most, who are looking for a different way of living and until next time, stay keto.