04/24/19 E86 The State of the Podcast Address

Episode 86! This seems like as good a place as any to talk about the history of the podcast. It's been a fun ride...and it's only going to get funner (more fun?)! Today the guys talk about where they've been, and where they're going.

Thank you for the use of your finite time!

Getting personal...what have Eric and Chad learned along the way?

I've made a huge mistake...

Eric's commitment to listeners: never stop seeking.

Bringing in the "why".

What surprises have come up on this journey?

Is Eric a human-body artist?

Chad's "shame"ful failure, and journaling success.

From Coaching, to bioStak, to Genetics Interpretation and Fasted State - the experiences of clients.

Where is the Life in Ketosis podcast going?

And finally, what to do with new information that comes along.

In this episode, Chad talks about what makes bioStak different. If you're ready to experience that difference for yourself, go to bioStak.com.

And as always, if you have any questions on this episode (or any questions in general) don’t hesitate to reach out to us at bioteam@biofitcoaching.com, or submit a question on www.lifeinketosispodcast.com

And if you’re interested in starting your own journey, you can find out more information at biofitcoaching.com or on Instagram @biofit_coaching
Transcript:

Eric: 00:00:00 Our goal is to make people happy. I mean, and happy is more or less just content, actually enjoying life and being content with it and through aesthetics or therapeutic or whatever methods we use through mental coaching. It's, that's the bottom line is, you know, keeping and getting to that that happy place I, contentment is what I call it, to where you, you're just so content. The stress has gone.

Chad: 00:00:29 They say a journey begins in a single step or in my case, one less piece of bread. My Name's Chad and I'm a seeker. I have sought out an expert in the field of nutrition and fitness who I hoped would help me feel better. They call him the biohacker, but I call him Eric. I hope you'll join me in a path that leads you and I to optimal fitness, the body and the mind as we live our life in ketosis. This is the life and Ketosis podcast, a biohackers guide to optimal body performance.

Chad: 00:01:12 Hello everyone. My name is Chad and this is my quest to achieving the healthy state of being with a man that can get me there. The, my mentor and cohost, he is the science to my regular guy. The extreme testing to my, I'll take your word for it, the biohacker himself, Mr Eric Bischof. Somewhere along this journey of ours I realized that feeling better is really one part physical and one part mental and both are needed to achieve the optimal state of being what I call keto happiness or ketosiness. And today we're doing a little walk through the park, a little, a current state of affairs of the life and Ketosis podcast. How does that sound, Eric?

Eric: 00:01:50 Ah, it sounds interesting. It's going to be interesting.

Chad: 00:01:59 This conversation has been, I think has been a long time coming, but we finally have some time under our belt and some experience where we can really talk openly about our experience as podcasters, coaches, uh, people, um, you know, that sort of thing. And, and you know, we've had a lot of requests for a pod for an episode like this where we just really kind of take a look back and take a look forward, um, and, and really understand where we are presently and help people understand where we are presently. We can, we've had a lot of requests in the past for something like this and we just haven't felt like the timing was right yet. Uh, we wanted some more time under our belt. We wanted to, you know, really, you and I have a lot of conversations about, okay, what is this thing that we have and, and that we're doing and that, who are these people that were helping? And, um, you and I, we don't look a lot at numbers because those numbers are, are humans. And so really try to remember that. Um, the numbers are humans and it's pretty phenomenal when you do look at the numbers and attach a human life to each one of those. It's kind of overwhelming a little bit. Um, and we're going to talk a little bit about that. Um, but yeah, we want to, we want to just, one of the best comments that we've, one of the best compliments that we get about the podcast is people just feel like it's real. And, um, we, we podcast and we work in a realm where there's a lot of show and there's a lot of, uh, front and, um, we just don't have any interest in doing that. We were interested in human lives, human connection, um, and doing the very best job we can to instill change and um, and sustainable habits for people. And so, um, yeah, so that's quite kind of the setup for this conversation. Before we dive in. Eric, how are you doing?

Eric: 00:04:05 I'm doing good. I'm doing pretty good actually. I just started a new 30 day omad 23 and one. So we'll see. I change some variables. We will see how this one comes out and then I'll get my hypothesis together on both of them, put them all together, but I, so far really good. I'm trying to work on some other, um, self experiments right now, so I just keep trying to create things to keep moving forward.

Chad: 00:04:34 That's great. Well, um, I'll tell you, uh, this, um, I wanted to start this conversation off with just a few statistics and a few, um, things that people, I think it might be interesting, especially if you've been listening to us for a while. I know we have listeners that have listened to it, listen to us from the beginning, which is shocking to me and I'm so grateful because that means we have a community and that means we have a, um, uh, a relationship and a communication and I'm really, really thankful for that. And, um, I think a lot of those people will be interested to hear how this has gone for us just statistically. So statistically we have, um, we started this podcast September, 2017 so we're over a year and a half in, in doing the podcast that what that means is Eric and I have had to date two dates every week for a year and a half, more than a year and a half. I, I, I, I couldn't even say that about my own marriage. So, um, well that's cool. Sick of me yet. Uh, yeah, you are. I know you. I am not yet in fact, it is something that I look forward to and I love our conversations. And you're just an interesting, interesting dude, which is what I know a lot of people love about this podcast. And interesting, an inspiring way is what I mean. And so you have so much change in my life, um, and, and my, my, uh, my perspective on my body and what it's here for, what, you know, what I have it for and how do I take care of it and how do I love it and appreciate it. And so those are some of the more, those are some of the highlights from my interaction with you, but that's, yeah, so we're on our 85th while episode, or sorry, this is 86.

Chad: 00:06:31 Uh, we published, just published our 85th, um, this one will come out be ours are 86. If you're only counting full episodes, if you're counting all episodes, which includes our Sunday supps that we do our short question and answer sort of style podcasts, it's, it's uh, going to be closer to like 150 episodes. So, um, probably over 150 episodes. So that's pretty, I mean, that's pretty amazing, right? We haven't run out of things to talk about. That's, that's interesting. Um, and we're going to talk a little bit about that when we talk about the future of the podcast. Don't do it on cliffhanger. You're going to want to hang on to the end cause there's the big surprise, a big reveal. No, I'm just kidding. But you do want it. You will want to stick around. We're going to talk about the future of the podcast, where we're going with this thing, especially if you've, if you're committed to this conversation with us. So, um, we have over 200,000 downloads over overall, which is pretty dang impressive. You think about that. I mean the, obviously that's a lot of repeat, but um, and a lot of committed listeners, but man, that's lot of people and uh, there's, I just have a lot of gratitude for that, for that amount of people being taking us. You know, Eric, one thing that I talk about in my coaching a lot is time is our only a commodity that is not renewable or that we can't get more of. And so any, but anytime somebody chooses to use some of their time to engage with something that I'm creating a man, that's just a huge compliment. And, um, so I think, you know, if we thought more about our time in that sense, you know, that it's not renewable. We don't get any more of it.

Chad: 00:08:19 And how we spend it is, uh, that, that's it. It's written in the books. That's it. That's all the time we get. So, uh, in my, from my perspective, especially in this life that we know of, right from birth to death, I'm not trying to take away anybody's belief about anything, but I'm just talking about from birth to death. That's the time we get, we choose to spend it. It's written. Um, so that people would, uh, you know, choose to spend some of that time with us is just, I'm just really, really cool. And that is okay. Cool. So those are, those are kind of the facts and figures, uh, of, of what the podcast has done. So we want to go ahead now and kind of jump into some questions that I think are going to be interesting and fun to learn, uh, or, or fun to discuss. And the first one is, uh, what have we learned over this, over this journey, over this last year and a half? What are some things that we have learned? And I'm gonna, I'm gonna let you jump in first with that. Eric, what's something, what's something that really just sticks out to you that you've learned?

Eric: 00:09:31 First of all, I want say thank you from the bottom of my heart for those that do listen to us and take the time. I appreciate it. Um, Chad and I both put a lot of hours into it. Uh, I do a lot of study in a lot of prep work and, and I love learning. I really do. And I love to be able to share it for that, for that, uh, for the hour with you. And the only downside to that is I've learned so much that I retain so little sometimes. So that's been pretty discouraging. What I've learned over the time is I try to remember everything that I preach and I teach. And it's been a real struggle because I, it just so much information and so much data then that my brain is, is bursting to try to retain it all. And my wife always tells me, just chill out. You're never going to remember all the stuff, you know, it's just, it's so interesting stuff that I just wish I could retain it all. But I think, you know, it's amazing what I've learned and what I've been taught. You know, in coaching and working with people and enemies, you always use the word coaching, but it's actually just relating to people and in communicating to people. And in sometimes, you know, the teacher learns more than the pupil or the student or whatever you want to say. Um, and I'd actually really, really changed my life because of this being allowed to be invited into your, into your life, those that I'm working with and into your homes. Cause I'm there, uh, your family, you know, has allowed you to, to work with me and giving you the time and sacrifice whatever time it takes away from your family.

Eric: 00:11:09 So I really appreciate those individually and the families, uh, for, for allowing me in, in their homes basically. And I think one of the greatest things I've learned is to really, really care about people. I mean, in, you know, people say it and you know, I'm one of these guys who would say, I would never say I love you unless I meant it or I knew why I loved you. And I'm always been strange that way. Um, because I thought love was just throwing a wound very easy. There's just different levels of a lot. I like you, but I don't know if I love you. What I really learned is to really reach down deep and care about people. And so it become, it's become very personal to me on people changing their lifestyles. And it hurts. It's sad when people don't, or they struggle.

Eric: 00:12:02 I have a tendency to take those struggles, you know, within myself and try to get better. And that's why I'm so grateful to you, Chad, to come bring your knowledge into this because there's things that when you get, you know, into the, into the mind and different things of that kind of life coaching. Uh, I have to admit I'm, I'm, I'm not there and, and I, and I see my people I work with struggle in that area, especially we all do. We all do. And I don't have the answers and I, I, I don't have the knowledge to help. And that has, why, you know, I came to you and said, hey, I need help. Bring it on. So anyway, so I've learned that, that aspect of it and one of the greatest things I learned is not to put my expectations above others, what their expectations are. So in listening more, I've learned not to, to do that cause I get overzealous and I get excited and I get real passionate and why, why, why? And some people, their expectations aren't the same as mine and, and I, and I can't do that. And so there's a lot of, well, I over analyze and I lot a lot of things I've learned, so basically I could go on forever, but I, I'm just grateful because it's never been a sacrifice for me. It's always been an opportunity for me and I'm grateful for that.

Chad: 00:13:27 Yeah. I think that's, um, you know, one thing that this has taught me that I've learned is that, um, these types of projects, like a podcast or, or anything that we choose to do where we're kind of like putting ourselves out there, getting a little bit vulnerable, um, you know, saying to the world like, this is what we know and we have some experience and we want to help you with this. Seeing, um, it becomes a mirror to us. So it really mirrors back to us all of our insecurities. Um, all of our strengths, all of our, you know, so it's, it's really just like I say all the time, you know, noticing is the first step and the biggest step, it's more than 50% of the battle is noticing and noticing that, you know, these things work is a mirror image to show us where we can do better and where we might be doing pretty good. So that's one thing that I've learned through this is, and, and the other thing that I've learned through this and, and being able to work with you, Eric, and just loving what you are doing and your knowledge to, to want to share it with the world, was that, um, we, we've gotten to know a lot of people and people are resilient, man. Uh, people are brave and, and they work hard and, um, they deal with a lot of crap. And, uh, I know we don't have a swearing podcast, but I don't, I wanted to swear there. They deal with a lot of crap. Yeah. Um, and uh, and through that they choose a different way every day and they choose to seek out those who can help them get what they want. And that's really cool to watch. And, and you know, it really buoys up, eh, my faith and my, um, reliance on our society and our human race.

Chad: 00:15:20 And, and so that's, I know that's a huge thing too, to kind of pull out of this little keto podcast that we do. But, uh, yeah, that's something that I've really learned and I, and I've, and I'm grateful for that because that inspires me. That pushes me. Um, and that shows me, hey, you can do the same thing. You can push, you can seek experts, you can get coached. Do, you can, um, share yourself. You can be vulnerable. You can, you can do hard things. You Bet. Yeah. So that's, uh, yeah, that's been a big thing for me. So, um, you kind of alluded to this already, but I'd love to talk about some of the mistakes we've made. I can you, from your perspective, what are some of the mistakes we've made over this time?

Eric: 00:16:02 Um, uh, I think maybe overcome, you know, in over coaching or over teaching, maybe I'm trying to find the right balance of, of working with people. Even teaching through podcasts is trying to find that balance where people are understanding and grasping and, and actually learning. And I know I'm, I go too deep and I get too sciency and in I've been told to say, hey, you know, can you bring it down a level? Or it gives them analogies that make sense where I can come, you know, remember it by, there's things that even in my, I have to learn to get better at that and start, you know, keep the science. Cause I, you know, it's, and I hate to say it's like philosophy, uh, you know, you can just go deeper and deeper and deeper and you end up getting just so confused. You end up with nothing. Okay. And so part of my promise, I go deeper and I go deeper and then I come up with so many different things that I, that I've learned and then I'm trying to compress it to where I can actually share it. And you know, me, I don't like anything that's unknown. I, I'm always fearful of the unknown. Like be, I need to figure that out before I can teach this. And so should I have to learn to kind of like you to, to bring it down a little bit and just kind of keep the knowledge there, but learn how to funnel it better. And that's what you, what you do with me, you know? And, and, and help so much with this. Otherwise it wouldn't come across at all. I don't think so. So I've really got to do better. And you know, the knowledge, I'm never going to stop seeking. Never. I will always, you know, that just w what I do, but I just have a better, I get to learn a better way to express it. So that's what I'm working on guys. I am.

Chad: 00:17:57 Yeah, I would agree. That was one thing that I came up with when I was reviewing these questions that we're going to talk about is what mistakes have we made is neglecting the why a lot. Yeah. We, you know, we've got the science nailed. You're, you're so sharp in the science and you're, you're constantly learning more and, and giving, I mean honestly, if people want cutting edge science on this stuff, this is the place to do it because you are nonstop studying and self testing and those are the two things. Um, and when you, when you're available, you're group testing when it's available, your group testing as well. Um, and so it's hands down, if you want the most cutting edge, the most newest developed science for keto, this is a place to do it or to get it. Uh, I do think we've neglected the why a little bit.

Chad: 00:18:47 And, um, and that's one mistake that we, you and I, we recognized about, oh, it was probably about November of last year, so it was just over a year of doing the podcast and a you and I look, you know, we're talking and said, well, yeah, I think, I think we're missing an element here of, of why, why are we talking about this science? Like it's interesting, yes, if you're interested in science and the human body, but why or why, why do we care? Right? And, and how do we take full advantage of it? And I think that's the biggest thing is we neglected that for a long time. So that's it. That's a big mistake that we, that we made. Um, very early on I think,

Eric: 00:19:30 you know, and, and I, I called the El par por Itis, everybody suffers from [inaudible] and I, I use it all the time. But basically that's the least path of resistance. Okay. We all resistance. Yeah. Yep. We all do it. And, and that's why when you and I were talking in the all the knowledge and everything, but how do, if you understand the why behind it, you'll be more apt to make application of what you're learning. You know what I mean? And that least path of resistance gets easier. It's guy, it starts to leave because you have a real reason why. Now, you know? And that's the struggles that I've been through is trying to figure out the motivating factor for people. Why, why, and, and that's with your help now, uh, we can bring these two together.

Chad: 00:20:22 Yeah. I love that. So what's, uh, through this next question, through this journey, what's been surprising to you?

Eric: 00:20:30 You know, and in this journey beside just podcasting, but actually working with over hundreds of people personally, I think one of the most surprising thing, and, and I'm, I'm looking everybody's biomarkers. I'm looking at their genes. I'm looking at their nutrition, their macros, their success, their failures, their performances, everything. Heart rates. I am amazed how we really aren't that different. You know, everybody, you know, we all say everybody's different. Everybody's different. And, and do I do gene diving? I look at the genetic differences of people, but when, when I see the jeans and I see the expression come forth, not just from genetic, but lifestyle and environment and attitude and mind and everything and stress, we are so alike, uh, it's, you know, I used to think we're all so different and the, well, there are different, everybody's different. I, I'm personally experienced how, you know, all of us out there. We are so much alike and we're all in this together. We really are. I mean, you, you know that the issues you have, we all have those issues. I mean, the fears and, and, and the complications in your life and all the things that you think nobody else has with, it's amazing. We all share these together. We really do it. Even though our genes are different, but the way we were expressing ourselves are really the same. And I think that's one thing I really came as a shock to me.

Chad: 00:22:02 Yeah. That's something that I talk about a lot is, um, we are uniquely the same. And what I mean by that is on the human level. So our struggles, um, are, are the things that we, the things that we find gratifying or find happiness in, they're all the same. They're, they're very, very, very, very uniquely the safe where we're unique and where we bring in the difference is as artists. And I lose a lot of people when I say that because a lot of people don't consider themselves an artists like Eric. I would be willing to bet you don't consider yourself an artist. No. Um, but I, I, I think, I think you are, and I think in the way that you, um, look at the human body, the way that you look at the science of, of Diet and, um, and the way that you bring that into the world and, and, and, uh, really like show people what it is. I think that's an art. And you do it uniquely, right? And they're stylistic choices and there's a personality choices or, or personality traits that come out in that. And so I think we're all very, very similar at a human level. And then we're all artists in our own way and we're unique that way. And that's how we find our place in the market or find our place in the lives of others that we love, is that, that uniqueness that we bring through our stylistic choices of being a human right. So it is very, very interesting. I mean, I'll, I'll, uh, quite honestly in my work, uh, I hear the same chronic complaints every day mean it just like you, you know what I mean? Is you're working with a client. Um, I'm sure there are questions you, I mean, you've told me in the past, I'm answering the same questions over and over again. I'm dealing with the same problems over and over again. Me Too. Um, but what's amazing is watching the way that the people use their unique art artistry to solve the problem. and you know, so it's, it's different ways to approach the pro. It's different ways to approach the same problem. And I love that, that you brought that up. I, I think I, that's been surprising to me as well, is seeing how much of us as a humankind are the same, the things that we struggle with and deal with. Um, but it's also fun to watch how people accomplish or overcome in different ways and unique ways. Um, and that's, that's really fun. It's been surprising to me that, uh, people still listened to us.

Eric: 00:24:43 Yeah. Beyond I said to me too, I am like, yeah. Ah, yeah. I don't know. Sometimes I think I'm very boring, but I, I, I gotta I gotta keep working on it, so I got to make things more interesting.

Chad: 00:25:01 That's surprising to me in a self deprecating way. It's just, it's just surprising to me that, um, we've found a place in, you know, in a lot of people's times in their day and people are busy. That's, that's it. That's, people are busy and they have their own stuff going on and they're dealing with their own things. And, and I hope, I hope our time together that those of you that continue to listen, I hope our time together is something that, um, allows you to put all that stuff aside or allows you to walk away from listening to us feeling like you're rejuvenated, feeling like you're more equipped to take on all the crap that you're dealing with because we get it. You're dealing with it. We're dealing with it. Um, and uh, and we're not beyond it. You're not beyond. So I hope our time together is that time of rejuvenation, that time of recentering and Re Foundation, like building that foundation up so that some of those things are just a little bit lighter for you.

Eric: 00:26:01 You know, it all comes down to, you know, when I think about it is it just our goal is to make people happy. I mean, and happy is more or less just content actually enjoying life and being content with it and through a statics or therapeutic or whatever methods we use through a mental coaching. It's, that's the bottom line is, you know, keeping in, getting to that hat, that happy place I, contentment is what I call it, to where you, you're just so content, the stress is gone. That's the bottom line. Right? Yeah. So, um,

Chad: 00:26:41 so here's where we're going to do now. So those are kind of our questions are set up questions for, you know, what we've, what we've learned, what mistakes we've made and what has surprised us. I want to leave the podcast and other things aside for a minute and get a little bit more personal. Um, I think this will be fun. So, Eric, I'd love to just hear personally over the last year and a half, um, what successes, failures and growth you've experienced

Eric: 00:27:09 for myself? Yeah, for yourself. Me Learning to be a giver and not expect anything in return. Okay. And, and in my mind, I call that signature giving because a lot of times we give, because we want our signature on that to show, look what I did, I, I gave to this or I serve as this without, you know, expecting anything in return. And so what I learned, I think from it is learning to give of myself and my time and effort, whatever it is, to make an an opportunity, not a sacrifice and not expect an accolade or if you know anything in return to keep me going. You know, how we all live for accolades, which, you know, that's normal. You know, we're, we're human, you know, a clap or an accolade or compliment. And to really learn to not be a signature given, I call it to where I'm giving because I have a love for it or it's coming from the heart. And I think that's been over the last few years, something that I really had to learn and it, and it came, it's nothing that it just came out of practice, basically quit looking for the praise or the accolades and just do it out of, out of actually caring. So I think that's one of the greatest things I learned and I hope it just gets better and better. Yeah. Yeah. Any, any

Chad: 00:28:42 ways? I mean, we don't need to get too personal in any ways that you feel like you failed in your personal life or in your, in your own journey or anything like that. Just so, I mean, it, it's, it's a way for people to relate, right. And, and we want to remain human for, for everybody. I don't, I'm not asking, they're like, no, I got sir.

Eric: 00:29:03 Yeah. I go through selfish times, you know, where, you know, I'm not training, I'm not racing. Uh, you know, I start, you know, getting real selfish with my time a little bit like, ah, and I start complaining like I don't have time for this. I don't have time for that. And um, I, I start to get a, a, a selfish attitude and then something will, something my client says or somebody that from the podcast or something kicks me right back and say, sure, I could go out and chase those personal accolades and things that I, I'm used to, but they don't last. They don't, and you just have to repeat it and repeat it. And then when something comes back from a client, some there, they changed their lifestyle, their diabetes, their, their body composition, high blood pressure, anything, you know, it, it just gives me a wake up call and brings me back to purpose again because that's where I'm trying to stay is always having a purpose. And I think because I'm selfish, I, I go through weak moments. I, I have bouts of depression where, you know, I just know nothing's exciting sometimes. So there's always, I always have my, my personal struggles, but I'm just learning over the years on, on how to work through those. And, and I think it is just, you know, we, we all have to have time to ourselves. Okay. I'm not denying that where I have to have me time. Okay. And when I get to do that, go for my runs or train or you just go with the family and do something. The, those are, those are things that I need, but I'm learning to balance everything. I think that's struggle. It's balancing. How about you?

Chad: 00:30:46 Um, I would say so I'll start with the failure. I would say, I mean specifically with my keto Journey, um, the failure. So I've had some periods of time where I've been out of keto. Um, and you know, that's not in my mind, that's not the failure. The failure is the shame that I let myself experience through those times. Um, you know, shaming myself for knowing better and not doing it. And that's that for me, that's a real failure. And that's one, that's one place that shows up for me often. Like, so, um, that's something that I've mentioned a lot here on the podcast is w the way we show up in one place is usually the way we show up everywhere else. We think we compartmentalize our lives. Like, you know, we show up this way at work and this way at home and this way and self development in this way and diet and all that kind of stuff. But that's not true. And when she starts to break it down, you start to notice that, uh, you know, the way I show up here is I can see the same traits of me showing up at other way. So shame is one of my rackets that I really run a lot. Um, especially when I know there's a better way and I've experienced a better way, but I'm not putting in the work to, uh, to live that better way. And so I would say over the last year, few years, a year and a half or whatever, those times that I was out of keto, uh, I let myself experience some shame around that. And so, um, I am working to, to change that because then, um, I'm a lot more willing to notice where I failed or notice where I wanted. I want to change and jump back in when there's not shame.

Chad: 00:32:31 When there is shame, they know there's a lot of hiding. There's a lot of, um, a lot of isolating myself from resources like you and, um, and my wife and that kind of stuff. So I, and I, and I want to be open to those resources and I want to have those relationships. So, um, I'm working on that and it's a work in progress, uh, for sure. Um, successes. I can, uh, I can vary because I've been journaling a lot more. Um, which is something that I would recommend to anybody, uh, especially if you're taking on some of the mindful stuff that we're talking about in our episodes now is really journaling and talking about some of the things that you're noticing. And that's been the biggest success for me over the past. Um, probably year is my ability to notice when I'm getting into my own junk, right? When I'm slipping into that shame or I'm stonewalling or I'm becoming entitled or any of these many, many, you know, patterns that we talk about in, in life that are helpful to us. I've gotten significantly better at noticing. And, and what I've, what I've noticed from that noticing is that the change is, is, uh, unavoidable. Once you start noticing yourself slipping into those. So say I'm, I'm being particularly selfish with my marriage and, um, and in the past, my, my old way of operating is to never even notice that I'm being selfish there. Never even noticing that I'm neglecting my wife's feelings or, or her desires or whatever. And just, you know, make up all these stories. Like, while she doesn't even appreciate me, she doesn't appreciate all the work that I do. I worked so hard and in Blah, blah, blah, blah. And I run these stories that allow me to stay in the selfish space and not notice.

Chad: 00:34:38 Right? Those, that's what those are. Those are a distraction. There, a TV that runs. So I don't have to look at this thing over. I don't have to look at this messy room over here that's not cleaned and, you know, and, and making me feel crappy. So I walked, you know, in the past I've watched that TV stay distracted and it's great coping mechanism. Uh, the problem is, is that it, it really upsets my marriage and, and, uh, and it doesn't make my wife, while I love the most, feel appreciated, feel validated, all that kind of stuff. So just for me, I have noticed that the success has been a significant shift in noticing when I'm jumping into my stories and then really understanding that man, that change has been inevitable. So, uh, that's been really, really cool.

Eric: 00:35:25 And that's cool. That's sounds mine. I think I need to work on that dish to notice the where, where I'm lacking in a lot of other areas. So easy to lose yourself and what you're doing then you don't even know you're neglecting, you know, some important things in your life and those things. I realized I, I, I'm doing more, I've got to do more with my grandkids that I used to do a lot. So I'm, I'm really starting to do better with time management and, and in limiting myself so many hours for this. So my hours for that and then I have time for that and time for that. So that's, that's been a big the, since you've been working with you, that's been a big eyeopener to me. There you go.

Chad: 00:36:10 Yeah. Mean, and the key is there. The key is there is letting go of the judgment and shame of that thing. Yes. And this is what meditation does for us. I'm getting on a soapbox now and I know that this isn't the purpose of this podcast, but meditation teaches us this pattern in a playground. So when you sit down to meditate and these thoughts come into your mind. And at first, you know, for the first couple of years that you meditate, often people judge, they judge themselves and they judge those thoughts as they come in. So it looks like this, you're sitting there, oh, I'm so peaceful. I'm so calm. Oh, I'm supposed to pay that bill. Oh, I forgot to sign that. That a permission slip for my kid. And then you start going, oh my gosh, I'm supposed to be meditating. And now all these thoughts, I'm so bad. I'm so stupid. I can't do this. I'm dumb. Why am I, why am I, why are these thoughts invading me? Blah, blah, blah. And that's kind of the pattern that we, that we live in, in our meditation for at least the first long while. And that's why a lot of people stop and quit because it's not an easy, it's, you know, it's kind of been like commercialized now. It's kind of been like a billboard, like meditation, mindfulness, Blah, blah, blah. Um, and that's why a lot of people are quitting, quitting quickly is because they, they're not seeing that progress fast. It's not a fast thing. But eventually what starts to happen is these thoughts still come in. They don't stop. At least not for me. I haven't reached it. I haven't reached that enlightened stage yet. I'm not even sure it exists. But these thoughts still come in. But the difference now is the majority of the time I'm not, I don't have judgment and shame around those thoughts coming in. It's, Oh, look at that thought. Isn't that interesting? Entertain it a little bit. Oh, look at that. And then watch it disappear. Watch it dissipate. And with no judgement, no shame about it. And so now that is, I see that permanent permeating into my daily life where I have this thing, it comes up, I notice it and I go, oh, isn't that interesting? No shame, no judgment. Just, that's interesting. It's interesting how I make my wife into bad guy when I'm trying to cover up one of my mistakes.

Chad: 00:38:40 And just noticing that and saying interesting instead of like, Oh, I'm so stupid, I'm so bad with Elba and going in hiding. Um, it's just a noticing and then the change is eminent because, uh, it's, it's not, it doesn't mean anything about me. I can change that. No big deal. Anyway, that was a, that was a kind of a tangent and I apologize for it. Um, but it really, uh, is, is a huge success. I've seen new levels of change and happiness in that over the last year for sure.

Eric: 00:39:12 As far as your meditation, how long do you meditate for?

Chad: 00:39:17 I don't, I don't, I don't set a time, um, because I don't, uh, I don't want that to be a thing, if that makes sense. So, um, the only time I have a set time that I'm doing is if I'm doing guided meditations, which I've really dove into in the last few months. Um, through that APP that I was mentioning in another episode called Waking Up. And that's been fantastic. But that's the only time. And the only reason that's his first set time is I'm going, as long as the guided thing goes. So, um, yeah. So there's a lot of people build a lot of hype around the amount of time that they're meditating. Uh, I say get at least 10 minutes, but if you're feeling great, go for as long as you can. Like, I mean if you have the time. Right. Um, and uh, and so it just don't make the time into a thing. And, and the other thing that people do a lot of times as if it's like, like I just did say, get at least 10 minutes. If they don't have 10 minutes or they don't feel like they have 10 minutes, they don't do it at all. Right. Right. So that's another trap. And so I try to, I try to stay away from the time thing cause I've had and just talk. Yeah.

Eric: 00:40:31 one of my biofitters is really, really into meditation. Uh, I, I don't know what the high level is, but uh, she actually can make, she meditates for four hours. Yeah. And that's mean, and it was all explained to me and it made a lot of sense. And if you have that time, I mean, she gets up early. Okay. She's not taking away her kids time, but she gets up very early and, and meditates for that length of time. And it's a long process to be able to get there. I'll years and years and years of training I guess. But it was really interesting how that four hours. I was, uh, I was amazed at that.

Chad: 00:41:14 Yeah. cool. I'll work on 10 minutes. Um, cool. So let's, I wanted to just, I thought it would be fun. We have many things going on outside of this podcast that we definitely talk a lot about in the podcast. And I think some people may not know what those are or have some mystery around them, but I'd also thought it would be really fun to talk about some of the lives that these have affected. Um, and I think that would be fantastic. So, um, let's start with biofit in your biofit coaching. So this is something that we don't talk a lot about on the podcast. We've, we've never really talked about the ins and outs. So basically this is high end, um, uh, high end elite athlete coaching, uh, where you coach people on Diet, you coach him on exercise. Um, and it's just a real well rounded, um, personal experience, personal custom experience for each of your clients. I mean, like we've mentioned you were in Vegas a couple weeks ago, weekends ago with one of your clients doing a triathlon who podiums huge success for you. Huge success for her. That's really, really cool. Um, is there anything, I mean, what do you, when you think of your, your time spent in Biofit coaching. Okay. What is it, what is the essence for you?

Eric: 00:42:36 You know, it, it, it's amazing when I'm, when I'm coaching, if, if first, a lot of it was, um, you know, it, the beginning stages years ago it was more in the performance end of coaching and really utilizing your energy substrate, your energy pathways, you know, to get more performance higher. You know, we call it power, wattage output, more strength, everything dealing with, with performance basically. Um, and those who are racing to get to a podium or just doing their first five k that, you know, whatever it is, whatever level they're at a, and it was amazing to see with, with ketosis and with body composition changing in different energy substrates. It was amazing to see the performance. There's thresholds lactates um, you know, uh, all, all the different, um, outcomes coming from a change in the lifestyle, uh, from that, uh, their vo two and everything else. But then over time, and, and I've talked about in a podcast, I really started realizing the therapeutic value of coaching, uh, not just for the aesthetic value, a body composition and performance and everything else.

Eric: 00:43:52 Just feeling better, which is great. Okay. Everybody, you know, they change their aesthetics. They feel good. I mean, it's just there. I mean, that's just an ingrained does, but, and over the period of time, I've really taken a turn into, I love both, but the therapeutic, uh, is what I really learned and through study and research is how therapeutic there's lifestyle really is. And so of course is, you know, that led me down the Mitochondria and everything else that I can't seem to get away from, it just goes deeper and deeper. So anyway, um, it's just amazing to see the performance, uh, from those that I've in, in that area. And I love seeing them excited and, and their success stories of just finishing a half marathon or an iron man or whatever. Uh, very rewarding. And I believe in physical, a enhancement to where you push yourself, uh, beyond limits that you weren't sure you could go into that pain cave, I call it. It's, it's very rewarding in that area. There, it is very rewarding, but not only just that, but of course the therapeutic, which, uh, which we'll talk about some of those success stories. But in, in, in coaching, it's been amazing how both of these, um, became very, very, you know, they're, they're almost together, but then again they're not.

Chad: 00:45:14 So, um, do you have any success stories that you can share from this? Cause I'm going to, I'm going to share with all the others ones that we're going to talk about that the next three and we've got to move through them pretty quickly. But I'm going to read some quotes from people that have experienced. Um, I don't have any direct quotes for this one. Do you want to just kind of talk a little bit about

Eric: 00:45:37 so much of it Cause I'm, you know, I'm on a daily basis with everybody and just on the, on the end of the biofit coaching, it's chest, the change in their lifestyle and the success that, you know, when they share it back with me and, and I, I, you know, I just hear it continuously, how it changed their life. Um, not only in energy and performance, but more of the therapeutic, the cognition, the, you know, the feeling better, the energy, just enjoying life, uh, depression and different things. Anxiety, stress, fatigue. I get so excited because I have so much experience with people changing and their lifestyle to the better that I get really too passionate about it because those who don't want to try this lifestyle, I find myself, you know, losing patients sometime like, are you kidding? Are you serious? You're really not going to pay attention to this. And so I've had to learn over time that it's, it's all about people figuring out why they do something and obviously to keep it sustainable. Uh, but it, it just endless with diabetics and those with high blood pressure and those who have atherosclerotic issues and they're on medications. All of a sudden you see that the change there, they're not on meds anymore. They're doctors or wondering what they're doing. Uh, and they feel so good even going on and getting off antidepressants and anxiety meds, meds, and you know, everything that, that I hear back from all, all my clients, they've all been positive. I don't have anything negative to share. And that's why, that's why I'm really excited about this. This lifestyle really excites me on that. So I could go on hours and it's awesome.

Chad: 00:47:30 Yeah, we won't, we won't spend that much time on each one. Please don't worry guys. These ones, these would go quick. This is more of like a just an update or if you don't know what the, what we're talking about when we talk about these in the episode. But I love that and I love your insight there Eric. So the next one we're going to talk about his bioStak. I have a couple of some the rest of these I'm going to start with just a couple of quotes about people's experience with these things. So, um, bioStak just here. Here's a couple of things people are saying. So I started a new supplement a while ago called biostak. Um, it's not a supplement, it's a stack, but they called us up from it and that's okay. We'll forgive them. So far it's been one of the best supplements I've taken. So I've had type one diabetes for 24 years. I have slight neuropathy in the left foot since I've been taking this. I honestly have full feeling back in my foot. Also I've noticed better insulin absorption, which has led to better blood sugars. So I also will say in the forefront of this, these are personal experiences. These are not claims we're making about bioStak, but it's so fun to, to um, read people's experience about them. So I just want to make sure that that's very clear to everybody. Uh, you know, results vary. W as with anything and we want to make sure that we're not advertising that so incredible. I've lot incredibly, I've lost 15 pounds since starting the Keto Diet. I've never felt more in shape than I do now. Adding BioStak from biofit coaching has made cutting, uh, sorry, has made cutting go into overdrive and made my energy levels and motivations skyrocket.

Chad: 00:49:05 Hello. And stuff like that. Using biostak supplements has really helped energize me and reduce my inflammation so I can enjoy my vacation to Italy. That was somebody who was, who had posted that they were walking around Italy for two weeks or something like that. And uh, just raving about what they felt bioStak had done for the inflammation in their legs and knees and joints. And stuff like that. So really cool stuff happening with bioStak. Um, talk to me about, I love the origin story about bioStak. We've, we've told it a couple of times. Um, you were the owner or a co owner of a gym and, uh, you were making some, some nutritional observations of people you were coaching both in a group setting individually and really noticing a gap in the market and a gap in the tools that people had available to them as far as nutrition goes.

Chad: 00:50:02 Um, so the interesting thing about bioStak to me when you were talking about it and you were developing it years before you and I were, were together. Um, but, uh, you know, my question was, Eric, I can walk into GNC and there's shelves and shelves of things and I can take and I can, you know, there's mold, there's huge multilevel marketing companies that are built around supplements and they're all claiming these crazy things. What's, what, what makes you different? And, um, I was really impressed with your answer. I mean, it was, it was a couple fold. One, it's not a stack that's working synergistically to, it's not enough there. There doses don't match up to what our bodies need. It's more of a money grab than it is a focus on what our bodies need. And if you really look at what our bodies need, you need certain doses and they're just trying to cut corners to save dollars to sell high price supplement. And, and I, I was really, really impressed with that. And then finally, most of these supplements or even stacks do not go through the ringer as far as being tested. And you tested this for years, for three years, you developed it and got the doses right and got the centered that synergy right and made sure it was effective in that people's, you know, that the things that were happening behind the curtain were happening when bioStak was taken. And so those answers made so much sense to me. Um, and it's, no, it's no wonder why it's working and people are loving it. And um, I went long on that. So sorry about that. I hope that was all okay. Anything you want to make sure people know about bioStak or, or the, the origin or, or what it's doing for

Eric: 00:51:57 real simple and it's all organic. There wasn't a product I wasn't going to put out there unless it was organic. Ashwagandha, curcumin, milk thistle, acid, anthem, everything is organic. Okay. Um, and, and that is, that's really key. Just number one right there. Cause we don't know, you know, the origin, if you don't know the origin of, of your supplement, everybody's at risk because we know FDA doesn't chase these down. And we went through a very tough company as far as um, uh, making sure the product is what, what it is a, even what we can even say on the bottle is so strict to this company. We, we spent months trying to even use the word free radical and we can't even do that. And so it's very stringent. And so, you know, you could go to places, it gets stuff just thrown together. I mean there's so many, those kinds of shops out there and those distributors that do that. So one, I wanted to make sure the origin and certificate of analysis of every product.

Chad: 00:53:02 All right, so the next one I want to talk about is your genetics interpretation product, Eric. And, and so this is a, if people don't know, this is where you, they do the 23 and me and you take that, you plug it into a bunch of other cross-referencing databases and do a full genetic reading. Um, and tell them all about snips. Ande, uh, w what are they called? Polymorphisms. Yes. Got It.

Eric: 00:53:31 Single Nucleotide. Yeah.

Chad: 00:53:32 Oh No, you're good. You're good. You're good? Yeah. Cool. Uh, so I'll, I'll read a couple of quick testimonials about this. Eric digs deep. John covered my genetic new nuances and, and the snips that are contributing to my diabetes, but most importantly he offers advice on how to move forward. That's pretty cool. Eric shows his willingness to go the extra mile with the attention to detail and committed to each of his clients. I'm very happy with the service Eric has provided and I have already recommended my family and friends to try it out. I've, uh, and finally I've learned a lot and found it very interesting regarding a mutation I have in, in the, uh, mother effer. The mth F are my, Eric is, Eric was able to give me a list of supplements to take that can counteract this along with nutritional recommendations of what to eat to improve my methylation.

Chad: 00:54:25 Got It. So that's exactly what this whole thing is about for you is, is finding out where we sit genetically and then how we can take preventative action to either counteract or, um, or, or, um, uh, make up for some of these things that genetically we're facing. Right. Um, so anything, anything you want to talk about or, I know this kind of came about, you became pretty obsessed with our genes and how they interact with are the chemistry of our body and then how that might predict or, uh, or, or at least point to some of the diseases that we would face in our life. Um, yeah, but, uh, I think somebody asked the question the other day on one of our fasted state calls is how did Eric get into this gene interpretation thing? Um, so if, if it's a short answer that would be interesting. Yeah,

Eric: 00:55:22 I call it the genetic dive. Ah, basically, ah, in those who started with me on the gene journey in the beginning, Eh, they realize how deep I really go. And there again, it was one of my downfalls going too deep sometimes and I try to cover every aspect of their genetic expression by researching other genes that they're not even in the reports. But I was so nervous about getting any of those that are going to coincide with that genetic mutation to make sure I covered everything. And so a little bit too deep. Um, it is very, uh, it is a very exciting field and it's getting better all the time. But when I, when I real quick, when I do the nutrient markers, I'm looking for, you know, gene expression, inflammation markers, I antioxidant a disease, markers, lifestyle, all we're trying to do is find the best way to change the expression possibility of that gene. It's not, it is a blueprint, but it does, it's not your destiny. I always say. So it's exciting to say, hey, let's, let's see if we can manipulate this, will manipulate these nutrients is all, all I can do is basically manipulate your nutrients and your lifestyle, exercise, stress, sleep. Those actually will, will change the expression of some of these mutations real quick. So it's good to know.

Chad: 00:56:48 Yeah. Yeah. And, and I will say this too, just real briefly, is this was born out of you working to get the very best results for your high end performance clients. Yes. Correct. Yep. And, and then you realized, Hey, this is something that most everybody, especially those that are suffering from disease should know or, or, or going to to suffer from disease. So that's, that's really cool. That's, people rave about that product and that helped that you've given them. So finally, let's talk about facet state. We just completed, um, around of a three day fast with a really cool group, had a lot of great results in a really good people, had really good things to say. Uh, if you haven't heard of this before, don't quite understand what this is. This is basically a guided fast for a certain period of time. So three days, five days. And we do live Q and A's every single day throughout the fast. And uh, we just have a great time and it, and we do it together as a team. And so it takes the edge off a little bit. It takes the fear away a little bit and uh, and everybody gets to celebrate together. It's just super fun. So I'll read a couple of quotes about that. Um, to my excitement and surprise and never had a moment of hunger, a snacking urge. I felt amazing. And this is, this is over three days, remember and had many energy and had more energy than I knew what to do with in day one. And this is, and this has continued to be the case to day two and I'm already feeling very energetic on day three. Thank you for introducing us to this life changing concept and guiding us through the process. You're support information made this experience not only survivable, but something I loved and look forward to doing again. Now, if you were to tell somebody to stop eating for three days, I don't think that would be the experience. Um, and, and it has just been amazing. Um, and the, you know, the mindset change that people, uh, the, that people go through is pretty impressive. Um, once as I've fasted a few times on my own and they were just okay. However, this time doing it with the fasted state experience with the help of Eric and Chad has made it much better, a much better fast, and given me information on how to improve my fast in the future. Um, Eric is living this lifestyle day in and day out is truly inspiring. You're down to earth approach to all this is motivating and it keeps me going. Thank you. Fasted state is fun. It's, it's a, it's a great experience and it's like literally watching a transformation in front of our eyes over three days. And, uh, and that's, that's an honor to be a part of one. And I'm just so grateful that that people jump in with us at this crazy idea of fasting, but then also find the benefits. Um, and, uh, anything you've learned or one x share about fasted state?

Eric: 00:59:44 Uh, yeah, I'll keep it real quick. Um, uh, in fasting, I've literally coached, I don't know, hundred doing the three day fast. And the reason I'm so passionate about it and the reason I am so convinced of autophagy and how beneficial is to our, our body ourselves, I is because everybody who's experienced a three day fast, five day fast, I cannot say enough about, I have no fear of people being negative about it. They're results are always amazing how they feel. Cognition, energy, health, the detox. It's, it's autophagy doing what it's supposed to do and you're allowing your body to actually regenerate, reset. Uh, and that's, I, I'm doing another 30 day type of fat is I'm really adamant about it and I'm very passionate. Like I said, because I've studied it. I keep self experimenting with it. And the success of it is just astounding actually. So that's agile. I love Fasted state. I love it for people. I mean, just in diseases, I just won't go into detail, but I've talked about it enough. Yup.

Chad: 01:00:58 Yep. So let's talk about the future. Where are we going? We told people we would talk about the future where, you know, what, what is our goal? What's our, our, um, ideal for this podcast in this conversation and, and going forward. And I can say this, um, you know, we love doing this and the minute that we don't love it, we won't do it anymore. I know that it is very much a labor of love. Yes, we've been able to reach a lot of people and that's really cool and we get to get the word out on some of these things, but it's by far not the most, um, uh, it's not the most efficient way to do that. It's, it takes a lot of time. We put a lot of time and effort and thought into it. And, and that is because of our love for it. And we feel like it's a fantastic way to get our message out or to get your message out, Eric. So just know that the future of the podcast always depends on our love for it and, and are wanting to continue to do that. But beyond that, um, you and I, Eric, we're having this conversation at the beginning before we hit record, um, is that this, this is, um, this, the conversations that we're having is a reflection of our growth. Um, both my growth in mindset and, and physiology and diet and all of that kind of stuff. And Eric's growth in knowledge and the, you know, the cutting edge of the science behind keto and his self testing. And so if, if you're wondering, you know, where can this go? Well, it, it goes where we go. It follows our journey. It mirrors our journey. So quite literally, um, Eric as he self tests a new, um, fueling technique for 30 days, you get, you're the first ones to get the results of that self test. And that's pretty cool. Um, you know, as I work with clients day in and day out and I come across new mindset, uh, obstacles or stumbling blocks, you get that on the podcast and the next week. Um, so that's quite literally where we see the future of the podcast going. Uh, we hope it grows because as it grows, we get more opportunity, right? Like we're going to be a at a, at a keto event in Salt Lake this weekend, and that's going to be an opportunity for us to meet more people, get more information, spread our message. And the more that the podcast seeks you sees growth, the more we're able to put into it, uh, both time and energy and thought. So that's Kinda my synopsis of the future of the podcast. Anything you want to add to that, Eric?

Eric: 01:03:56 Yeah, real quick. Um, everybody out there and have to listen to me. You know that I have picked my hypothesis. Okay. And I'm glad you're on this journey with me. Uh, if, if the hypothesis changes, I will change that. My hypothesis is I'm at the Mitochondria. Okay. I believe the Mitochondria is the key to everything. And even my, Lisa asked me, my wife, she says, when are you going to stop testing and experimenting? Where, where are you going with this? And I just, I answered, I said, look, I'm dying. All right, my body is dying. Basically. I'm 63. We all are, right, we're all done. My Mitochondria is dying. I agg at 40 45, your Mitochondria starts to lessen. And I won't go into any of the science of that, but it's happening. And so I'm on a quest with through research and knowledge and, and through self experimentation to produce better mitochondria, to free radical control through anti inflammatory agents, through cellular component autophagy.

Eric: 01:05:08 And, and everything that I'm focused on is the Mitochondria. That's where I hung my hypothesis with. And if change because of my research and testing, then hopefully you'll change with me. But right now it's almost, you have to pick your path or pick your truth. There's something to hold onto and the science is there. And what the components of, uh, you know, talking about, you know, Beta hydroxy butyrate molecule on the show for fame and omega three fatty acids and get away from Omega sixes and all these things. We compile these antioxidants together with other things and healthy lifestyle and exercise. We can bring our, my mitochondria more biogenesis of it. And actually through Mitochondria fusion and fission and those kinds of things. We, you know, I've talked about we can actually make your life better and, and longevity, uh, anti aging, better health, no more neuro degenerative diseases, other diseases, et cetera. So anyway, that's my, and I'm going to keep on this path, the experiments or keep going. So I'm, I'm, I'm done. I just hope you hang with us.

Chad: 01:06:24 And inevitably I'll say this for the future of the podcast to inevitably there will be things, we will make new discoveries and we will, we will get new information and that's so important and understand that that new information, oftentimes we'll make some of our old things that we talked about and said it will make them obsolete. And I would, I would, I would, you know, acknowledge or I would, uh, what's the word I'm looking for? I would admonish you. That's the one. Yeah. Um, to only find and stick with people who are giving you information that have that type of outlook on whatever information they're giving you is that new information will come. And when that new information with comes, it may make some of the old information obsolete and that's a good thing. Yes. Like, that's not a gotcha moment. That's a, Oh look where we're going moment. And that's with anything that's with keto science, that's with mindset, that's with personality, that's with relationship, all of that. If you're not discovering new information and letting it overtake old information and grow, then you're then then that his death that is, that is stunted growth. That is all of those things. So I hope we grow immensely in our conversation in this podcast

Eric: 01:07:51 and if it changes, I will admit that, that it's changed. Okay. It sure, yeah, I'm wrong or, or, or that hypothesis is wrong. But if you're gonna I mean, I'm going to sh I stay right now with this mitochondria lower and your insulin low in your blood glucose, keeping keto for that Beta hydroxy at molecule. I know a lot of people going low carb or slow carbs and different things. I will always be a fan of endogenous. Uh, Beta uh, doesn't mean if you can't keep a sustainable low carb is good. Okay. Uh, of course I get real passionate about the Beta and you know, everybody knows I'm in it for the beta and I'm learning to be a little more balanced and say, hey, low carb is better than high car. Let's, let's keep it sustainable. And that's what I'm trying to do with everyone and myself is to work with you to keep it sustainable, even if it's really hard to stay on the, you know, the carb to keep the Beta. I just want that going to your brain. Remember when you get knocked out of ketosis, if fatty acids don't go to the brain, it's still glucose dependent. You lose your Beta to the brain. So there's, there's all things I'll talk about later. But anyway, uh, I appreciate so much you guys on this journey and I'll keep doing the best I can.

Chad: 01:09:10 Yeah. Well, thank you for letting us indulge a little bit if you've made it this far with us sooner. Sorry. So congratulations. Nice work. You're committed and we can appreciate that and just know that, that we love you. We think of you as individuals, we think of you as people. And we're constantly trying to figure out how we can serve you. We can create better content, um, that this can be a, um, a place to recharge and refuel and recommit and all of those things that we need help doing every single day. So thank you so much for biohacking with us. Thank you, Eric, for, for all you put into this and all of the things that you have going on to help improve people's lives. It's, it's truly inspiring.

Eric: 01:09:55 No, I thank everybody, I thank you and I thank everybody out there and I appreciate you guys listening and any feedback, let us know. Appreciate it.

Chad: 01:10:02 Always, always because I can work with, we love feedback. So, uh, anyway, thanks so much for joining us, uh, on this quest for optimal fitness. If you're ready to begin your own journey and live your life and Ketosis, be sure to check out bio fake coaching.com or biofit coaching on Instagram that handles @keto.Biohacker. I'll also put in here, Eric, really quick that a lot of people have been asking how they can get in contact with me for more mindset. Goodness. Uh, I'm also on Instagram, Chad l brown. That's a great way to get in contact with me. If you're curious about individual coaching, if you're curious about some of the content that I put out there for free, that's @Chadlbrown, uh, connect with me. I would love that. And a, you can get more of that goodness as well. So awesome. Until next time, stay keto.