02/27/19 E78 Defending Keto to Family and Friends

If you've been living the ketogenic lifestyle for more than 5 minutes, you've likely already encountered some opposition! It seems that everyone has an opinion, and sometimes the most vocal are those that haven't experienced the benefits for themselves. So today, the guys want to give you some answers to the most commonly raised keto concerns.

Why Eric may be extra chatty today...

Of experimentations and urine.

Wait, isn't keto just another fad??

Bonus: Eric shares his biggest diet regret!

Being cautious of the "keto-approved" packaging.

Ketosis: The ONLY "diet" to be proven in court.

Wait, don't you need carbohydrates?

All that fat will give you a heart attack!

And finally, you can't build muscle on keto. Right?

Have you heard the news? A new fasted state session is right around the corner! (And on Eric's birthday no less). Go to biofitcoaching.com/fast to reserve your spot!

In this episode, Eric talks about the advantage bioStak has given him in his most recent self-experimentation. If you haven't experienced these benefits for yourself yet, what are you waiting for? Check out bioStak.com to grab your bottle.

And as always, if you have any questions on this episode (or any questions in general) don’t hesitate to reach out to us at bioteam@biofitcoaching.com, or submit a question on www.lifeinketosispodcast.com

And if you’re interested in starting your own journey, you can find out more information at biofitcoaching.com or on Instagram @biofit_coaching


Chad: 00:00 So once, once you say all that to them, then you say, so put that in your pipe and smoke it. That's right. That's right. They're like, what are you,They say a journey begins in a single step or in my case, one less piece of bread.

Chad: 00:20 My name is Chad and I'm a seeker. I have sought out an expert in the field of nutrition and fitness who I hoped would help me feel better. They call him the biohacker, but I call him Eric. I hope you'll join me in a path that leads you and I to optimal fitness, the body and the mind as we live our life in ketosis. This is the life and Ketosis podcast, uh, biohackers guide to optimal body performance.

Chad: 00:53 Hello everyone. My name is Chad and this is my quest to achieving the healthy state of being with a man that can get me there. My mentor and cohost, he is the science to my regular guy. The extreme testing to my, I'll take your word for it. The biohacker himself, Mr Eric Bischof. Somewhere along this journey of ours, I realized that feeling better is really one part physical and one part mental and both are needed to achieve the optimal state of being what I call keto happiness or ketosiness. And today we're going to talk about keto questions. We have been, uh, we've gotten a number of people asking us, Hey, I've jumped on the keto bandwagon. I'm doing it, I'm feeling great, I'm losing weight, I'm getting fit. But I have these people in my life and other people that I love and there are people that I care about their opinions. And um, and there's a lot of, uh, you know, differing opinions out there and I just need to know how to talk about keto. And, uh, I think this is something we all face in. And at some point in our Keto journey, especially if it's new and we're being successful and we feel good, we're a little bit more loud about it. And then we get a lot of questions asked or naysayers or people who aren't, don't know a lot about it, who aren't listening to our podcast, getting all the science from Eric and uh, and, and just wondering, you know, what's going on with this Keto thing. So we're going to talk about, we're going to get some pointers and some ideas of how to talk about keto with those around you. Uh, before we dive in. Eric, how are you?

Eric: 02:33 I'm doing pretty good. I'm actually doing good know. Sounds like you're trying to convince yourself. No, I, I'm on my fifth day of fasting, so I'm ending and so I've been five day fasting and as you know, we probably shouldn't podcasts on my fifth day of fat because as wife says, she's heard me with all my, my clients. She goes, oh my gosh, when you're fasting, you're so chatty, you just don't stop. You know, and this is like even with hers. And he's like, ah, can you just be quiet cause he, you know, you've been around me so much. I'm like, ah, I shouldn't have, we shouldn't be doing this on my fifth day.

Chad: 03:20 So we chatted it up for a good 40 minutes before we started recording.

Eric: 03:27 I don't know what it is. You just have so much energy and it's amazing because I was zoned in and all my work and everything was this fast has been probably, you know, another self experiment. There's a reason why, you know, fasting besides just autophagy. But, uh, it was, it's been a really, uh, I'm just getting more adapted to it to where I had no hunger, tons of energy. I worked out and I did a bunch of self experiments with this one. And so, uh, so I have to say it, I would go longer, but I did a seven day fast. So you know, a while back and I shouldn't do too many of them. When you're doing that,

Chad: 04:07 you're doing something unique this time though, you're, uh, you're playing with your pee a little bit.

Eric: 04:13 As my wife says, you are disgusting. I'm like honey. I, I've kind of figured this out and she's like, you're always figuring everything out.

Chad: 04:24 If anybody is listening to this podcast any amount of time, they know that Eric does some crazy self testing stuff, but tell tell really briefly what you're doing during this fast. I think it's hilarious.

Eric: 04:39 There's two things I'm doing. I'm doing a glycogen depletion, which everybody knows I'm out to prove that fatty acids can, obviously we'll spare your glycogen and an energy source because you can use beta and fatty acids at a higher intensity. Totally. Glycogen deplete us. I'm always on that glycogen thing with lactate. Then this one also I'm, you know, we always hear water, weight, water, weight, your, you know, anytime you go keto on those are going new keto, you always lose a lot of water, which you do. Okay. And then in fasting we always hear, you know, you do lose weight but it's water, weight, water, weight, et Cetera. And so I said, okay, on this one I'm going to fast five days and every day I'm going to measure, you know, my complete water intake. But if not, I mean it's not planned. I'm drinking when I, you know, I don't get thirsty, but I'm drinking my fluid. Just work and work out and different things. And I'm adding every ounce, everything. And so that's pretty easy to do. And then obviously I want to see what water loss. So I'm measuring total water excretion and less and sweat also. So I'm measuring everything because I want to say, okay, five days, that's a long enough fast to go without food obviously. And then to see really how much water you really lose. And I am working out hard. Okay, I'm doing the glycogen depletion, throw downs and running. So it was whole planned thing. But anyway, it was so interesting. But the only, the difficult part about it is I'm old and so I pee really, really slow and I pee often. That's what bothered my wife's she's you're so disgusting you're in there all that time measuring your pee. Anyway. Uh, I wish I was a young buck and you can only had to go three or four, three times a day instead of like 12 times a day anyway. So it was really interesting.

Chad: 06:35 So yeah, it's probably too early to tell completely. But, um, I mean I'm being on your fifth day, maybe what's, what's the ratio? What are you finding as far as I did not.

Eric: 06:47 I just, you know, all my drinks, eight ounce, 12 ounce, 10 ounce, 16, you know, I just wrote the answers down then added on my p six ounce, eight ounce, seven ounce, five ounce, 10 hours. He's just officer. I just marked them that way. Then the end of the day I would add up the total and you know, do it in ounces instead of liter, which I average two to three liters a day of fluid, which is normal. What's recommended. Anyway. Um, but it was amazing, you know, and I took in some respiration. Okay. Obviously we're going to lose it, you know, uh, some water through respiration or lungs and they're also going to perspiration if you know, during the day. But I'm pretty lethargic if I'm sitting at a desk and then I work out and I measure my weight for my workouts and how much sweat. But I was amazed that some of the day three ounces difference, four ounces different. So it really was actually on a couple of days I had more intake than I had excretion, uh, and the other and had a little more excretion than intake. But we're always balancing our fluids we need to take in as much as we lose. Okay. But usually through a fast and through keto when you first do Keto cause it was quite good you and you're going to drop your, your water. Um, there's always a big water loss. And so I'm saying, okay, I, you know, did I, you know, obviously I have weighed myself every day and ketones and blood sugars and I did all the lactate and all the pro and all the my biomarkers. But so if, if I didn't lose, if it's not water weight loss, okay. Obviously then obviously I lost fat. It's trying to, and I'll put all these numbers together, but I'll tell you what it was. It came out different numbers than I expected. A lot different numbers and the workouts just keeps proving that the more fat adapted. We'll talk about some of that in carbs today and more fat adapted. You are, uh, what kind of energy output you can't produce. So, cool. Are you going to compile your findings? And I'm done. I'm going to eat tonight. Uh, truthfully I'm not hungry at all. No, I don't even, I've done this too many times. It doesn't even mean anything to me. It's like, what? What are you going to eat tonight? I'm like, I don't know. Probably just some bacon and spinach probably every day. You kidding me? And so, but it's, you know, and I really like I, you know, besides autophagy and all the benefits of fasting, I think it's just an amazing thing for your body. And everybody's heard me on that before. So cool.

Chad: 09:20 Yup. Yeah, absolutely. Hey, something fun coming up. You have a big day coming up soon in a couple months. You don't even know about this. This is working in the background without your knowledge. I've been, I've been working with a biofit team. We're going to have another fasted state coming up. And if you don't know what fastest state, if is, if you're new to the podcast, I'm Eric and I run a fasting it and we've only done three days so far and we, you know, we've talked about doing something a little bit longer. We'll see if that becomes an option for this session or not. I'm not going to promise anything. But the fun part about this one is it's most likely going to be our birthday gift to Eric, this, uh, this fast, this next fastest state. And I'm not going to say the dates cause I don't want them to change and then people be confused. But it might possibly be our birthday gift to you. So stay tuned. There is a new session of fastest state coming up. You can go to biofitcoaching.com/fast and you can get on our waiting list that will give you direct communication with us about the upcoming fasted state. It's really cool. We all fast as a group all over the world. And uh, we come together every single day live. We answer questions, we give encouragement. Um, and it's, it's just like having some accountability and some support through a fast. So if you are intrigued by the idea of a multiday fast but a little bit intimidated, which if you've never done it and you're not intimidated by it, you should probably see a psychiatrist as well. I'm just kidding. But it can be an intimidating thing. Um, and Eric, you and I, we get questioned, send to us all the time. I'm thinking about fasting. I'm thinking about fasting. I'm thinking about fasting. Multiday what should I do? Should I do this? This, I mean, it's a seven day preparation. We tell you every supplement and everything you should have in the house to get ready. How you should prepare your surroundings, how you should prepare your mind. Um, I mean it's just, it's very holistic and we are dedicated to the success of your fast. The reactions to our fastest state sessions are unbelievable. I mean, just think things people experience. Um, the what, what people describe euphoria, what people describe it as. Just pure comradery and, and hope and support. I mean, we've had people that have had difficult times during the fast up until the end of the second day. And they, they, they tell us, oh my gosh, if I hadn't been a part of this group out of quit easily in the middle of the second day when I was, you know, whatever was going on in my life. And, but I didn't because of the group we were and the accountability we had pushed through through the third day. And the third day was one of the greatest experiences I've ever had. And, um, anyway, so you can go to biofitcoaching.com/fast, that's f a s t. Um, and I get on our waiting list so that you get first communication. First Dibs. We only let 20 people in. So turning people away is, uh, is the worst part of this job, I think for those sessions. But we keep it low because we do do these live chats and uh, these live seminars every single day, they're not seminars I Q and a sessions with Eric and I and we just want to make sure that everybody's questioned, gets heard and answered. And so we can't overfill these things. So get on the list. You'll be first to find out when the next session is up, but I'm giving you that hint. It's in the next couple of months and hopefully it's a, it's a birthday present to Eric. Happy Birthday.

Eric: 13:23 You can ask my wife how I feel about birthdays. I've heard the spiel. Oh Wow. I'm really excited about this fast and when I'm really excited about as we get this good group going on this one then, because we're getting a lot of requests there, sent hey or can Chad, where's, where's our five day fast? We want to do that five day. And so we get a good group on this one and we will win and we'll get everybody worked up and get ready for that five day fast. And that'd be great to have these to a bigger group. And get that five day fast done and really experience that next level of fasting because you will, uh, it's amazing once you become, you know, and Keto fat adapted, but more amazing when you become fast adapted, it's amazing what your body can do. So, absolutely.

Chad: 14:13 Let's, uh, let's dive in, um, and uh, and get going here. So we're going to talk about, uh, some questions you may get or how to talk about Keto with those who either don't know about Keto or, uh, have some unpopular opinions about keto. Um, we obviously can't cover every scenario, um, but, uh, but really want to give you just some places, some starting points of how to talk about it. Uh, so it's not so intimidating and obviously you and I, um, meaning the audience and our listeners and I are, are not as, we're not going to be able to come back with the science answer for Eric Can. And so we're going to keep this as dumbed down as possible. And, uh, and as Eric kind of goes on his science rants during this conversation I'm in, I've tried to bring it back and say, okay, Yep. Um, how, you know, what's the everyday answer? What can we actually, you know, how can we digest this and then regurgitate it to those who are, who are sincerely wanting. Now I will say on the forefront of this conversation, Eric, you brought up the idea of having this topic for one of our podcasts, which I thought was such a great idea. One of the thoughts I had though, because I always go to sort of the mental side of stuff, the mental processing and um, I'll say this, some people just are not worth engaging in with. Um, some people are just antagonistic to be antagonistic and we are not, we are not at all, um, arming people with ammo to go against antagonistic people. It's just not worth your, it's not worth your energy to, to do that. This is for those who are sincerely wondering, who seem like they have sincere questions and curiosity.

Chad: 16:08 Um, if, if it seems just like somebody just going to go into bat and wants to argue, um, I don't engage, that's my suggestion is don't waste that energy. You've, you, you've got a finite amount of time and a finite amount of energy every single day. And, um, sometimes it's just not worth it. And, uh, um, you know, we, we live in an interesting time, especially with social media where specifically the platform, Facebook and Twitter have become the, the grounds for war, uh, across, you know, for topics that are just sometimes it's just like, are we kidding? This is why we're spending our time. Um, and so just, just be cognizant of that. We're not, we're not arming you with that ammo to go and argue this up if you want to and whatever. That's fine. But I would suggest just save these conversations for those who are sincere. Um, and those who have sincere question. So that being said, let's jump in. So, uh, I like this question. Isn't keto just a fad? Isn't it just a, you know, another Atkins or another, uh, whatever that is going to come and sweep everybody? And then it's going to go away.

Eric: 17:30 That's what they say. It's just going to be a catchall. Oh, Keto is yes or not a fad diet, you know, and so as you just said, if you think back of all the fad diets, I mean, some of them I've even tried, I mean the Atkins, we have zone diet cabbage. I don't know if you've ever done the cabbage soup diet. Great proof that it Paleo, uh, elimination diets that, I mean, my mom did the HCG, you know, it's, um, that's the injection. Um, and at their home lines, you know, the, the Hcg with me during and during pregnancy and it's like five, 600 calories a day. The South Beach Diet, I mean, there's juice diets and there's so many of these, uh, that are out.

Chad: 18:15 Which one did you do that you look back now and just go, wow, what was I thinking?

Eric: 18:21 Cabbage and sad part is I like cabbage soup. I really do live in, but it just ripped my stomach up and I had no idea back then. Um, you know, and I did the zone diet, which is, it's good common sense eating the zone. It's an anti inflammatory doctor, Barry Sears, you know, and Atkins. I did Atkins. And so a lot of these, you know, the bottom line is these fad diets obviously, well you know, they do work okay to a certain point, you reduce your food intake obviously to a certain point or you can lose weight. So I'm not going to say, you know, none of these are going to not lose weight because everybody's goal basically when they do a nutrition or we call these diets, um, is to lose weight. I mean, that's bottom line. They're going to try anything to lose weight. And of course the industry knows that and so they're going to come up with anything and everything because what is it, what do we say before, like a $70 billion industry, this market and what's the, uh, the failure rate was like 96 or 98%. So you can see that they have to be repeated. I mean, you don't want it successful because once you lose weight, have you're done. You're done. So you're out of the marketplace now. And so basically, you know, we're dealing with, you know, there's a standard American diet, what gave us 70% of the Americans that are obese and overweight. So it's a big market. I mean, there's a huge market for this. So obviously the keto is going to be attacked. I mean, it's going to be challenged and do that. It's picking up speed and I always use this word, this train is going and now we're going to start, you know, uh, dipping into the industry's profits and pockets and everything else. You know, the weight watchers and Jenny Craig, the, the South Beach Diet and all of these prepackaged foods and things like that. Um, you know, they're going to have to come out and, and, and challenge it. I mean, and that's what, that's what's happening and that's why they're trying to link it in to say, oh, it's just a fad diet. You know?

Chad: 20:43 I hear you saying two things. Actually. One explicit, maybe one not as explicit is the first one not as explicit as probably your friends and your family have a right to be skeptical, skeptical because look at the history of the industry, um, and it, and looking at the history of the industry, knowing that this is a money grab for a lot of fads and for a lot of companies and you know, uh, products and all of that kind of stuff. It's, it's seems anybody has the right to be skeptical of, of a quote unquote diet. Um, but you're also saying that these players that, that do these money grabs in this space are going to fight this until they can't fight it anymore. And, and I think we're in the fight phase right now, right, that it's starting to change just a little bit. You know, the old saying, if you can't beat them, join them. Got It. I think we're in the, the trying to beat them phase right now with these companies, these products, all of that kind of stuff. And it's, I think we're right in the middle of that shift from, they can't beat it. The success. And the momentum is huge, and I think we're turning over to the join them. And now you're starting to see Jenny Craig put frozen food in the freezer called keto. And you know what I mean? And so not to call anybody out specifically, they're all guilty for the same thing. Um, but you're right. But I think, yeah, there's, there's this interesting little shift that's happening, but absolutely, they're going the fight them phase, which has been the last four or five years, five or six years maybe is the let's, let's tell everybody that this just is not, um, this is not healthy. This is good. You know, and Julian Michaels, she came out with her all paying. She stands to lose a lot of money if keto is the thing, because, oh, um, you know, we can have specialized keto food that is made by a company. It's prepackage roundabout it on the label. We can have that. But ultimately you don't need that stuff. In fact, I would suggest you don't go for that stuff. You just go for whole clean, organic, uh, back to the farm. Like go back to the ground. Right. And, and that's the best place to live keto is. I, I get that it's a little bit harder and it's a little more expensive. People trying to make it cheaper, trying to make it more convenient, blah, blah, blah blah. But the best place to live keto is in the ground and none of these companies and none of these big names profit. If you go back to the farm, you know, and it's food.

Eric: 23:32 It's like, it's either you have a choice, they're going to become keto friendly, which is going to be the new buzzword. Okay, we're going to hear that. Or they're basically the Akita enemy. So they, that's like you said, there's two choices and the keto friendly starts to bog. I mean, it worries me because a let's, let's make the market bigger gives, you know, me, I'm in it for therapeutic and, and I were going to do a podcast on the therapeutic value of keto. I don't see anybody talking therapeutic about weightwatchers I think, I mean, besides losing weight, dropping body composition and you know, hopefully lower and your insulin and, and the metabolic syndrome, et cetera. But nobody's talking about the exact, I mean the exact effect on metabolic therapies that Ketosis Beta hydroxybutyrate molecule has there a Putin, which I'm not going to go into detail because remember we said this is going to be sciency. So, so we would get down to that point where, you know, um, with um, uh, Jillian and all these others that are or attack, they're coming out to attack it. Uh, it just did just the simple words. They say this is, you know, ketosis. Uh, that's terrible. It's toxic. You know, it's acidic to your body. Nobody wants to be in Ketosis. And they just throw these things out there, you know, like you have to have carbohydrates and, and they don't understand the mechanism behind what ketosis really is. And so then they start throwing out some of these, you know, we'd been on this path, the studies. All right. And you know me, I have every met analysis, every study, I've read them all. But if we get in that, that's, you know, this study shows this, this study shows this, then we're just back and forth in that same argument. Okay. And so that's, that's why that debate, like you said, it's to the point where, you know, I can counter you, you can counter me. And bottom line, I mean kind of an interesting point just came, tell me what, what nutritional diet plan or program out there has been taken to court.

Eric: 25:40 Okay. And it's kind of interesting. I just thought of it cause you remember Tim Noakes we talked about in a podcast member, he was actually taken to court because he, he gave a recommendation to a breastfeeding mother about low carb, high fat. Okay. And how to basically it it's going to help your child in any way anyway. South Africa, you know, they, the, the, the food, I'm a Dietitian, um, board took them to court and it, it actually had to go to court and I think it was like four year trial and he actually looked gentlemanly, brought low carb, high fat into the court to prove it. And it, the exciting part about it was after four years, um, he proved the low carb, high fat, but he did it with all evidence base. I mean, really. Yeah. And so what is, I mean, let's go, I mean, I've read the documents and, and, and the reports on that whole trial and you know, it just kind of excited and to say, Hey, here's your, uh, your fad been taken to court. I mean, and a four year trial with lots, all evidence. It was all science backed evidence had to come forth to, to prove his case and in what a blow, I mean, not a blow that, that's really exciting because a lot of doctors and a lot of it opened eyes to a lot of people to say, Hey, whoa, maybe this fat isn't so bad. You know, maybe this ketosis thing has something, there's low carb, high fat. So that's pretty exciting. I mean, we really,

Chad: 27:23 yeah. So I'm going to try to simplify this one and this is the answer that I give and you, Eric, you kind of tell me if you feel like this. Um, I've had great reactions to this answer. My, my answer to people is, you know, actually keto is not even a diet, you know, is, uh, is a biological reaction inside of your body and a source of energy. Ketosis is a way of describing this system of energy that our body can utilize, um, more efficiently than any other type of energy that we know of at this point. And so, um, Keto for me is not even a dat, a diet, so it can't be a fad diet. It's, it's tapping into a biological system that has been in our, in our bodies for centuries. I mean millions, billions of years. Um, as, as we evolved in, you know, was utilized in the very early stages of our evolution. And then once food became factory, it got lost. And, and so for me, I know it's not a fad because it can be explained biologically and it's, it's a back to our roots sort of thing. So that's really been my explanation for anybody who was asked about this idea of keto being a fad diet. And it, the, the root of that comes from keto becoming a hot, a hot word, right? Odds, word and people, I would say the majority of people who win, when they say keto, they don't even know what they're referencing, which is ketosis. They don't even realize that that is a biological systematic reaction to the nutrients that we are putting into our body.

Eric: 29:09 Yes. You know, and that's like every nutrition a obviously, you know, Katie Ketos, his Keto is a nutritional lifestyle, but every diet, every nutrition plan, you've got to come down to one thing. What is the nutritional balance or value that it's offering to you? Okay. So you know, a lot of people, you know, that's, that's the problem. You know, we've got micro nutrients and macro nutrients and those things have to be analyzed to say, am I getting the nutritional value from the foods that I'm eating? So don't just pick on one or pick on the other. It's a balance of the nutritional, um, nutrients. And that's what it all comes down to. A, and, you know, bottom line is what does it do for you? Okay. Health match, therapeutic wise, body composition, you know, just energy. It all comes down to that. You know, we get to the Mitochondria, low on shell, you learn all that. But bottom line, that's the thing you have, you have to think about not just losing fat because we know what happens with all these other fads. If it worked, yes, you can take it off, but you're not going to maintain it. It's going to come back on. Do you know on the metabolic, um, uh, uh, your rate and everything else, um, metabolism, everything's affected and that's why they don't, they really don't want him successful because then you just don't repeat it or bounced to another one. So the industry just keeps growing. Okay. That's right.

Chad: 30:37 Well that's good. So before we move on to the next one, which you've already mentioned and I'm excited to hear your answer on this, we'll have to move through these a little bit quicker. Yeah. But before we get, before we, uh, move on to the next one, I just want to talk about biostak really quick. You, um, you just, you just finished up a massive biostak giveaway, right?

Eric: 30:58 Yes. How did that go? You want really good, we got a great response and we gave, um, we're five bottles of bio stack and we ended up doing a bonus bottle cause we got so many. Um, so we're really excited that people participated and most excited about them giving the biostak of try and see, see what it does and for their life and the changes that it will help them through all the benefits of the five nutrients that are in there. Um, so we're really excited about that.

Chad: 31:26 Yeah. So just another reason to a follow Eric on Instagram and a that handles @keto.biohacker, I'll say it again at the end of the podcast, but @keto.biohacker, that's where the giveaway happened, correct? Yep. And, um, obviously check out bio stack biostak.com and check out the five organic synergistic ingredients and see how good you can feel. Grab a bottle for yourself or a, you know, now just grab a bottle for yourself. Okay. I was going to say wait until the next contest, but you don't want to wait.

Eric: 31:59 Do you act yet? Part of this I day fast was a biostak test. Um, so the only thing I took a course, I had some, so sodium in the morning, I had some of my electrolytes obviously, cause I'm working out really, really hard on these throw downs, pushing my muscle glycogen to the Max of depletion. Um, and I took bio stack before and after shows. I actually took a little more biostak than normal because it's amazing with curcumin, Ashwagandha, even with the Sulforaphane, Broccoli sprouts, the recovery is what I was going after. So I did these workouts I always have every other day cause I got to recover and I gotta, you know, synthesis take over, you know, and repair a regrowth. But I did this very tough workout every day, five days and I was testing to see what kind of recovery I was going to get with soreness with. You know, actually coming back to all my workouts were heart rate and you timed a course and there's, there's no cheating. There are certain amount of reps on each one. If, if you fail, you fail. If you can't do, you know, a 20 bar dips, you fail. Okay. So the five workouts with the stack is all I was really testing for that is I was amazed my workouts, one, two, three, four, and five, I have the times I have the heart rate. Um, they were all, they actually got better, stronger on Wednesday. Then Thursday was a really good day. And then, uh, today I will test the fifth day. And so far the soreness, the recovery, uh, everything's there. I was really excited about that cause I have never do these workouts every day. Never. But anyway, I, I pushed it on this one.

Chad: 33:45 So that's a great testament for biostak. So go to biostak.com see how good you can feel. Okay, so you need carbohydrates. I hear this one. Don't you need carbohydrates? Aren't they? Don't you knew a balance of macro nutrients?

Eric: 34:01 Yeah, we get that a lot. But you know, we, I love carbohydrates. I mean, and that's a key tool. Gets a bad name because you know, it's anti carb. Sure it's lower carb, but it's not anti carb. Carbs are not, you know, everybody says, well, carbs are essential. No, they're not. Okay. Mainly because essential means your body can't produce it, so you have to eat them. Okay? So we've talked before, we have the polyunsaturated fats that are essential. Omega three, Omega six you cannot make them. You must eat them. We, we have essential amino acids. The nine, you cannot make them. You have to eat them. If you don't, then your body, your cells are not going to survive. Your DNA is not going to produce those proteins to make, uh, the expression of those genes to keep your body alive. Okay. But carbohydrates is there an essential carbohydrate? And I throw that back to everybody. Tell me what essential carbohydrates I need. There isn't an essential carbohydrates that you need, okay. And what's exciting about it? Sure, we do lower our carbs, all right, but we eat the healthy carbs and if you add up my nutrients from my, my 40 grams a car and take it from my previous nutrition, my diets or eating habits, I am way more nutritional eating than I was before just with those 14 grams of really good, healthy carbs. And you know, and everybody, you've got to understand if my, if I'm not eating carbs, my body is such a survivor and such, well organized, it's going to produce the carbs that my body wants.

Eric: 35:42 Okay? Glucose. All right? Just say glucose. Okay? So everybody has gluconeogenesis at a baseline. And that's not a bad word. Gluconeogenesis is a good word. Cause your body says, Hey, if you're not eating carbs, all right, the Glucagon, you know, the hormones will kick into the liver and says, Hey, let's produce some. And so you're always your red blood cells, your, your kidney parts. And your testes, they, they require glucose. Okay. Um, uh, so bottom line is you're, you're always going to have carbs, but we're not saying don't eat carbs. All right? We're just saying lower the carbs because there's a purpose in lowering the carbs. Where we are today with a standard American diet is because we have been told 60 years ago, we got on this bandwagon to where we are eating too many carbs and that's why we have 60, 70% overweight and obesity and metabolic syndrome and diabetes and all these other diseases. It's because we were told to eat too many carbs and instruct me too many carbs. Right?

Chad: 36:48 Let me break this down. And I think, no, you're good. So I would say obviously the answer is no, carbs are not essential. Um, but also low carb is a relative term. It's a relative term to the last 50 years of how we've been eating. Right? So that's kind of a funny way to think about it as we have such short term perspectives on stuff as, as a society and as a, as a culture right now, like everything is within, uh, the, the knowledge of like a generation and I think it's getting even shorter because things are moving so fast technology and everything. So our viewpoint of things is getting even shorter than that. Maybe it's going down to 20 years or 20 or 10 years even. And um, so when we say the term low carb, it's only relative to the way we started eating a very short term time ago in the history of humans. And so that's, I, I just liked that, that perspective and I like striking that conversation. You know, low carb is only a term that we use relative to the way we've been eating for the last little while. And, and, um, and yeah, I mean definitely look at our hunter gatherer ancestors and the weight, what their, what their primary meals were made up of. And No carbs, carbs were not essential at all to them. It wasn't where they got energy. It wasn't, it wasn't even sustainable at that time. They didn't know how to produce it. Um, and uh, yeah, so we didn't just because you know, as long as you, and I can remember we've been eating a lot of carbs, that doesn't mean our bodies. We're evolved to, uh, use them.

Eric: 38:42 Yeah. And I've taken, you know, the challenge with, with the nephew when I say, okay, I'm five to 10% carbs per day, you're 50% carbs. So let's take your carb intake, analyze the new nutritional value of the foods you ate during that day. All right. Compare it to the foods I ate at at five to 10% of my daily nutrition. And let's see who comes out higher on micronutrients and, and, um, you know, uh, and, and macros basically. Cause they obviously, you know, they are sourced and every time I come out with more nutrition, then they, because their carbs were basically crappy carbs. They were, they were, you know, filler carbs, processed food and everything else. And so, bottom line, all we're saying is it's not, it's not low carb, but just healthy carbs, you know? And then, and you're going to get all the energy needs. A lot of, you know, that's part of the issues because they're, you know, they're thinking that, you know, if you don't have carbohydrates, you don't have glucose so you, you don't have energy production. And then we get into that long, you know, argument that you get me into fat adapted and you, you know, utilizing fatty acids as an energy source instead of glucose and you know, depleting your glycogen for energy. Um, and those that are in Ketosis know you're fat adapted, you're going to produce ketones. Plus fatty acids are going to be used as a fuel in your muscle and ketones are going to your brain. So those people who aren't Ketosis, Ketosis, yes, they do need carbs because they'd been feeding their brains. You know, you say 80, 90% of the energy going to the brain is all glucose from carbs. You know, you can't run, can't burn fatty acids and you don't have ketones. So obviously, yes, you need carbs. Cause if you're not in Ketosis, yes you need a certain amount of carbs. Do you know, to maintain the brain function? Um, and the sad part is, you know, with carbs comes the number one factor in all nutritional programs and diets. Number one is insulin. It's everything comes down to controlling your insulin. That one hormone, it, it, you know, and it's amazing that people just, and I tried to get people to understand, you know, this issue about, um, uh, about insulin because remember there's just a little sciency. The whole balance of any nutrition. And what we're trying to do obviously is get energy substrates to our mitochondria to produce ATP. We have to do that. All right? But in doing that, how you send that energy source to the Mitochondria depends on insulin.

Eric: 41:26 All right? So everything comes down to controlling that one hormone, not every, you know, third part of it is in slam. I can take anything away from all the other hormones, but as far as metabolism, we're, we're going to talk insulin because we have two hormones and note that makes this real fast. We're going to have a battle of what we call the hormone sensitive lipase and the lipid protein lipase. Okay. Those two hormones. Once there's two choices you have. So insulin controls the HSL hormone sensitive eyes said, hey, let the triglycerides are fatty acids out of your adipose tissue to go be used as energy. All right, the other one, the lipid protein lipase says, hey, and someone says, Hey, let's let just put that into the muscle or into the um, uh, uh, adipose tissue for storage. All right? So those, that's about all you have between those two low hormones, you want to release those fats to be used as energy. Then guess what stops it? Insulin. Too much insulin will stop it. If you want to store that, that energy is fat. Guess what promotes it? Insulin. So insulin is a key factor controlling insulin. So I didn't mean to go off that, but once you say all that to them, then you say, so put that in your pipe and smoke. That's right. They're like, what are you, I'm I like, it's very basic. We have insulin. What raises insulin? Carbohydrates. What's insulin's job? Get Rid of Glucose, carbohydrates, glucose. Out of the blood it says pancreas Beta cells that produce insulin. Let's get this out. But what happens if you, if you come insulin resistance that we always talk about, then the pancreas says, oh, we're not getting that. That glucose out. Let's just give a little more insulin. Sooner or later, insulin isn't working anymore. Okay. But it does at insulin says, Hey, I'm not letting any fatty acids out of that. Your fat tissue. I'm keeping it there. And so there it goes. There's the cycle. Well, anyhow, you know, five days, I'm five days fasting, so I'm, I'm on a roll.

Chad: 43:32 Real answer to all of these are just, just have him talk to Eric and they'll never ask you any questions again. Nobody will ask Eric any questions.

Eric: 43:43 what makes it nice for me, my wife, it feels, he says, you just go to the science and people just run from you. They only want to ask you another question because you, you go to the science and then I back it up. Say, Hey, well tell me why. You know, and I'll tell you why. And then it ends the conversation real quick. Talk to Eric, talk to Eric.

Chad: 44:04 How about this one? This one's probably the most common I have heard is, uh, one, all that fat kill you. You're going to have a heart attack. And I'm going to get my simple answer before stick with yours. Okay. My, my answer is yes and no depending on what fats you're eating, right? And, um, it's, you know, we, we have lumped fat into one giant, uh, one giant conglomerate that is, this is fat and it is bad. And we have commercialized that. Not We, but the government and those who are, I won't get into that. But those who are in the pockets of the government and uh, you know, so that this whole idea has been very commercialized. It's been very sensationalized with no indication as to what, okay. It's not enough just to say fat. What are we talking about? What kinds of fats are we talking about? How much are we talking about? How is that balanced with our proteins? You know, there's, there's just so many different things that need to be discussed in that conversation. So my answer is yes and no. If you just go eat a bunch of crappy fat, you're going to be in some danger. But if you're, if you're learning and your understanding fat and you're combining it with exercise and activity and those other macronutrients, now the fat will not kill you. Here's my, here's my last one. Um, and I have a simple, I have a simple answer for this 100 years. That's what you said last time.

Chad: 45:48 You, you, you can't build muscle on keto, can you? Yeah. So here's my answer. Here's my simple answer. Pull up biofitcoaching.com. There's a picture of Eric on that website. Yes. Say, does it look like this guy's not building muscle and conversation over?

Eric: 46:09 Got It. No, I'm, you know, Chad, I'm not going to go. Yeah, I am a big defender of this muscle thing. Uh, how, uh, muscle sparing a ketosis is a, and I've tested it over and over for four years now, different, you know, protein grams per day, uh, to do fasting. I've done dexterous with lean muscle tissue testing and I have proven over and over then on in Ketosis. Yeah. How a protein synthesis it really is because you are getting those amino acids, you are getting plenty of protein. And even through fasting I've, I've proven that fasting actually produces more human growth hormone. It's leucine sparing and you know, that's the main, you know, branch chain amino acid that is, is given for protein synthesis as far as muscles. So it's amazing that yes, you can build muscle on Kiddo and yes you can produce power and speed with, with, with ketones, especially with with the, with Beta as an energy source. But it is very muscle sparing. I you can actually build muscle and it's amazing that you can, I mean I I I fasting seven days and actually put on muscle tissue and I can get into, you know, the, the science of, and obviously with the fluids in the muscles and retaining of fluid and uh, et cetera. But yes, you can build muscle on keto. Oh, you're absolutely right. This is great. That was short. Yeah. That's one of my favorite subjects to as one of my favorite subject. Cause that's what I, that's the thing I do the most, it's self experimenting on, uh, but yeah, you know, I've talked about mtor pathway and how I try to avoid that because that's, that's anabolic. And you know, as my age, I don't want to, I don't want to grow, but I did test it out this last, um, I've been on a program for 30, uh, four days and I've put on muscle tissue and I have, um, I've been doing this for, yeah, four weeks and I started three months ago. I got off all creatine, got a fall. Any leucine kept my protein really strict. So I another experiment that don't, that I'll talk about later.

Chad: 48:23 Yeah. Well this has been great. We covered four of probably the most popular questions we get from people saying, what do I say? How do I, how do I handle this? I hope we gave you some good answers for people and a, if there's ones that we're missing, let us know. We'll do another one of these if you think this is, is helpful, we would love to address some more questions that you're getting. Um, we also love just kind of being connected to where the conversation is going keto wise with, it's kind of hard when you're in our position because we're very much inside of it. We're in the trenches and it's hard to see what's going on outside of the trenches sometimes. And so, uh, let us know what you're hearing and what you're getting asked. We'd love to do it again.

Eric: 49:04 Yeah. You mentioned on that that therapeutic podcast, I think you think, I mean, we, we've talked about before to where, why is keto different basically? And when you get into the, the metabolic therapy of it with therapeutic, uh, it's, it's, it's a whole new world and that's what's exciting about Keto. It's not just to lose weight.

Chad: 49:25 Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. Well, thanks so much for biohacking with us today, Eric. Yeah, you bet. And I want to thank you for joining us on this quest for optimal fitness. If you're ready to begin your own journey and live your life and Ketosis, be sure to check out biofitcoaching.com or biofit coaching on Instagram that handles @keto.biohacker. Also, if this podcast has helped you or entertain you in any way, go to iTunes or wherever you get your podcast, leave us a five star rating and a glowing review that helps us grow the podcast. Get the message out there. And finally, um, the greatest compliment that you can give us is sharing this podcast with those that you love, those who are looking for a different way of living. And until next time, stay keto.