01/16/19 E72 Fruit and Keto

Today Eric and Chad discuss "nature's candy". Is fruit really everything it's cracked up to be? And how does fruit fit into a keto lifestyle? 

A dark day in Chad's keto journey.

Is there such a thing as a healthy sugar? And does fruit have it?

Can the body differentiate between sources of fructose and glucose?

Meats vs Fruits: which has more vitamins and nutrients?

Fructose and fatty liver disease.

Fruit! Double the dopamine hit and NO hunger satiation.

Why Eric doesn't use mouthwash.

And how keto is a great safety mechanism for avoiding the bad stuff.

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Transcript:

Eric: 00:00 What fruit do you like? I mean, what you missed the most? Being in Ketosis, have any fruit?

Chad: 00:05 Oh, the most is probably watermelon. Watermelon is one of my favorite to just. There's nothing like a slice of juicy watermelon on a hot summer day. They say a journey begins in a single step or in my case, one less piece of bread.

Chad: 00:27 My name is Chad and I'm a senior. I have sought out an expert in the field of nutrition and fitness who I hoped would help me feel better. They call them the biohacker, but I call him Eric. I hope you'll join me in a path that leads you and I to optimal fitness, the body and the mind as we live our life in ketosis. This is the life and Ketosis podcast, a biohackers guide to optimal body performance.

Chad: 01:01 Hello everyone. My name is Chad and this is my quest to achieving the healthy state of being with a man that can get me there. My mentor and cohost, he's the science to my regular guy. The extreme testing to my. I'll take your word for it. The biohacker himself. Mr Eric Bischof. Somewhere along this journey of ours, I realized that feeling better, it's really one part physical and one part mental and both are needed to achieve the optimal state of being what I call keto happiness, or if you will, ketosiness. And today we're talking about a dark, dark day in my life, Eric. That dark, dark day in my life was the day that you told me that I couldn't eat fruit. I'm trying to save your life. Seriously, man. What's up with that? Why I love fruit? It's delicious. And that right there, the fact that I love it and crave it should tell me enough that, uh, it's, it's triggering some signs within my chemistry that, uh, are a little bit of addictive and a little bit, uh, you know, that kind of stuff. So we're going to talk about fruit today. We're going to talk about, uh, why fruit. We're gonna talk it a little bit about, um, you know, in the industry of fruit, we're going to talk a little bit about the ingredients of fruit or what it is, the fruit that doesn't agree with the Keto lifestyle. And, uh, and then we're going to cry because we can't eat it anymore. Just kidding. Um, so before we get started, how are you?

Eric: 02:41 I'm doing good. Hey, hopefully I'm getting the new year off to a great start.

Chad: 02:47 So tell me before you were keto, where you a fruit man?

Eric: 02:52 Yes, yes. I was, uh, basically, um, I think a lot of people were in the fruit because then we'd go back, we'd have to go back to, I think it was the nineties, if I remember correctly, remember when they said five a day or five to nine servings of veggies and fruit a day. And so everybody, even then and still saying that that fruit is really, really good for you. And so, you know, when you go back to the history of that, of the five to nine servings a day of, of your fruit and veggies and everyone knows there's, it was never evidenced based at, at all, no evidence what so ever. It just came out a five to nine servings a day. And so they, uh, you know, they basically really didn't take in consideration what, you know, you know, how people are either insulin resistance or insulin sensitive, they didn't take, you know, obviously your weight if you're obese that they issue with keto. And so like, that really kicked it off. And so everybody thought they were doing great. And so the fruit consumption really increased and veggies too. But then again, people were deciding, well, would I rather have a fruit or would I rather have broccoli? So what, what would you take?

Chad: 04:14 Would I rather have candy or green vegetable?

Eric: 04:18 Exactly. But you know, it's strange because the more I learned about fruit years ago, I've been calling it nature's candy for years, you know, it's just nature's candy. And I tell my grandkids and my kids and they're like, ah, just tells us it's nature's candy. He and, and, and, and you know, they don't like how negative I am about fruit. But that's just my opinion. I'm not saying all fruit. Am I saying fruit is bad. I'm saying, especially in keto, we know why we don't eat fruit because too much of it will knock you out of Ketosis. Obviously you're going to get too many carbs, you're going to get too much sugar. Okay. Um, but I remember when I went off sugar, when I was 19 years old, I did that two year stint of no sugar whatsoever and I was addicted to sugar. And when we'll talk about addiction, it's there. I mean, come on, it, it, it's a Dopa. Dopamine hit four for sure. But I remember that when I went off the sugar I was very strict. But what did I turn to chat, which I thought I was doing good. I fruit fruit. Oh my gosh. Fruit was it. And then I, you know, it was amazing. I was point orange juice on my, my whole wheat pancakes just to get some sweetness to it. I mean, then I went to honey and I just devoured honey and little did I know, you know, about the different sugars, different forms of sugars in fruit versus sucrose versus starch. And so, you know, there's sugar in everything. Okay. So kinda this is basically we're talking about cryptos okay. We're talking about fruit too because obviously that's fructose in fruit, but when you get down right to it, I mean we got different forms of sugar. We, we've got our monosaccharides. That's your glucose, fructose and galactose. Then we've got dissect rides. That's two sugars. This is where we fall under with fruit is and table sugar and everything else. We've got two sugars, we've got glucose and we have fructose. So that table, sugar table, sugar at home, I don't know if you do with kids, but if you do have at table sugar is and I'll 50 percent glucose and the other part is fructose. Fifty percent. So you're getting keto in there. Okay. And so, uh, lactose is also another double sugar in the way of polysaccharides. And I won't go into all the detail glycogen starches. But what's interesting about it, when you think of sugar and fruit, what do you think of when I say fruit sugar to you? Do you think healthy? Or do you think what? I mean? What is your opinion? You know, fruit because it. Of ketosis. But what is your opinion of fruit sugar? What are you.

Chad: 06:58 I mean, I've been told, I've been told that, you know, of course there's sugar in fruit, but it's a healthy. It's a healthy sugar.

Eric: 07:07 Exactly. But in, in fruit you're going to have the same thing. You're going to have part fructose glucose. Okay? So when you're looking at like a banana or some fruits, they're equal balances of fructose and glucose. So what's table sugar? Equal balance of fructose and glucose. Okay, so apples have more than twice as much fructose as glucose. So what is your body saying? Says, okay, you're eating fruit or you're eating pizza. So does it. Does it really know that fructose in that sucrose came from apple or a banana or from pizza. Okay. No, no, it just registers it the same. It says, all right, I've got glucose, I have fructose.

Chad: 07:58 So let me ask you this before, and maybe this is a good segue into my next question, but this question just came up is. So one thing that I've heard, and I, maybe this is just a wives' tale, but one thing that I've heard is that fruit comes as a complete package. So yes there is sugar in it, but there's also these other redeeming factors or maybe these other things that counteract the sugars or interact with the sugars or you know, that sort of thing. Is that, is that science or is that just kind of making us feel better about the sugar were eating?

Eric: 08:35 No, and there is a point that we're going to talk about. So basically you just have to ask yourself, what is the benefits of fruit? Okay, why am I eating fruit? Okay. Everybody's been told to eat fruit. Why? Because there's nutrient value in fruit. All right. Obviously. Yeah. And that's the issue is fiber fiber course is there, you know, soluble fiber or insoluble fiber. The pectin coming from the fruits basically slows down the absorption of the fructose, the sugars. Okay. Remember we've got, we've got those sugars in there. All right? So basically we have to ask ourselves, you know, what am I going to get from, from this fruit? All right? And that's why I'm not a fruit eater. I'm not a big downer on fruit. Okay? But I know that the negative effects of fructose, okay, because you're going to get fructose from the high fructose corn syrup that we know that 55 percent fructose and, and then 45 percent glucose. Okay? And then there's other ratios of that with higher keto. Okay. Which is, you know, we're gonna talk about the unhealthiness of fructose obviously. Um, but when we get to the fruit, I mean, is there, has there been, you know, think about it. Is, is a, uh, a crab apple basically the same as a pink lady today? Okay. So ancestrally we, we've, we've had fruit. Okay. But was there an evolutionary change that has affected our fruit? So there's different opinions out there. All right? Because basically fruit has been around 2,500 bc all the way back. Fruits, we've talked about fruit but evolutionary and by nature obviously fruits there to be tasty because the fruit says, hey, I want to spread my seed and my species. Right? So I need animals and humans, whatever to eat that it does. Definitely. And spread it. So the question is did we genetically change what we'd done to fruit because we do have processed food, right?

Eric: 10:40 That do we do, we have processed fruit and so when you go down to, okay, they're medically engineered probably. And so anytime that you start changing, you know, and, and, and, and you take fruit and you're trying to obviously the, the quest is to make it sweeter. Okay.

Chad: 10:58 And different flavors, sizes or colors and all of you're just messing with the balance. Balance. Yeah.

Eric: 11:07 Because so you take these cutlings and because you know, obviously there's no seeds, you're going to use the cutling because you know, we're making seedless banana seedless, watermelons and whatever. So basically everything is basically getting changed to make it more my opinion, which, which we know that the fruit, just to make it more sweet because obviously if you make it better, looking more enticing, the size of it and there's no seeds, the sweetness is manipulated. So now you basically got manipulated fruit because if you walk into the produce, what do you see?

Eric: 11:38 I mean, what's the first thing you grabbed you, you see? Just aisles of apples. I mean, I mean I'm in. When I was young, I think the only thing I ever ate, I didn't have pink lady have braeburn or gala or any of those. We red delicious. Okay. And then sometimes we'd say, Hey, get the granny smith so we can get something tart. Okay. But how many different apples are. There's like 15 different kinds. I mean, my, my kids would only eat pink lady. I mean. And I say, well I like Braeburn and they're like, well we like pink lady and so obviously they're going to spend the sweeter than more fructose. Okay. That's, it's in the apple. And I'm not saying that eating an apple is bad, but obviously to a certain degree, if you're obese you have metabolic syndrome and things we'll talk about. Then obviously you don't need any extra fructose. So the question is this, what does fructose, why? What's the benefit of an apple or fruit? And when you get down to the micro nutrients, you have to say, well what am I getting from fruit that I can't get from the vegetables or meat? All right? And so when you, when you really hit there, we're going to talk about that the first. But when you get down to it, the fruits, I just, you know, I'm not trying to be Mr negative, but you've got to weigh the benefit besides flavor besides hitting your dopamine. All right? Besides some of the other negative things you're going to get from it. I mean really fruit. I mean you can eat five a day, but how you know, how much, I mean essential fats, you're going to get none of just traces. I mean your Omega Sixes, Omega threes, you're not getting that. You're not getting any complete proteins at all. I mean, your amino acids, you're not even going to get your vitamin a because remember the Beta carotene, yes, but not retinol, which is the real vitamin a. You have to convert the beta that we've talked about over and over and most people can't convert the, the Beta carotene into retinol, which is vitamin A, you 12, you know, vitamin D might get d two. So anyway,

Chad: 13:40 You get massive amounts of C in some of the citrus though, right?

Eric: 13:43 Not even, not even what's recommended for the, the, the dose for the day. You won't even get all that, but you will get vitamin C but not even enough to make the dose. Okay. So basically I'm not, you have to really get down into the micronutrients of it because they said five, you know, five to nine servings. But there's all you're getting is sugar. I mean you're getting an extra hit of fructose, glucose. You may give him, get more if you're eating apples. So you just have to say, hey, is it worth the payoff? Because when you go to meats and you look at meats, I mean I'm just saying meats kill fruit as far as all the vitamins and the minerals and everything else. I mean, it just so much more. I mean obviously from meats and vegetables, you're going to get everything. You need more fruits are very minimal in vitamins, very minimal. And minerals basically, they don't even come to the top of the chart at all compared to like my ultimate take liver livers, the king, no matter what, I can never not talk enough about liver. Liver kills everything as far as vitamins and minerals and nutrients and essential fatty acids. It's just, they're just living with chicken, liver, beef, liver, whatever. But. So that's part of the question you have to ask yourself is why am I eating this piece of fruit? What's the benefit of the fruit? Okay. Yeah.

Chad: 15:04 And there's got to imagine, and I know this, for me personally, this has got to be pretty common across the board, is that when we think fruit is healthy, it's going to be really easy to overdo it. And, and I even think about these, these, uh, these drinks that people are doing, like juicing. Juicing is incredible to me because all you're doing is stripping it of the fiber. You're concentrating the sugar into a juice the other day. Now, the other day, it was probably about a year or so ago, Katie came home, my wife came home with Jamba juice for her and the kids and I said, you know, that thing is just a cup full of sugar. And she said, no, it's healthy. Like it's a healthy alternative. It's a fruit drink, it's a, you know, and they add carrot to it and you can get protein added to it. It's as perfect marketing plan by Jamba juice and other places that are, that are selling these concentrated drinks. But then we said, okay, well cool. Let's look on their website. They have to have the nutritional facts on their website. We got on there, the sugar in the drinks, the small, the smallest size they have that she brought home to the kids. Well, well intended, but brought home, have more sugar than a can of Coca Cola.

Eric: 16:28 Yes, yes I am, and that's the whole. That's what blows me away when I see my grandkids drinking apple juice or orange juice. I'm like, no, don't drink your fruit ever. Do not ever drink here. You're just getting your disease. Really taking it to the liver, and that's really the concern that we. When we get down to it, there's those who can metabolize really well, but remember glucose metabolized isn't different than fructose. All right, so when fructose hits the stomach share, you're gonna lose some to the bacteria that wants to feed on it. Okay. Sure, you're going to have some less absorbed because of the pectin and in the fibers. It's going to grab some of it, but the one is absorbed. Where does it go? Okay. Just like glucose. Glucose goes into the portal vein, goes to the liver and the liver says, Hey, I'll take what I want. It goes right into the blood. All right, but. But fructose does not. Fructose has to be metabolized by the liver, so when it goes to the liver, it's got to go on the hepatic cell. Then it's got to do something with it. Sure. It might. You know the glycogen depletion that we've talked about before, you might get a little bit if your liver needs some glycogen, but I really don't think that much, but other than that it says, Hey, I got to do something with this. I got it. I got to convert this to something because it's not going to be used as energy. It's not going to go out as an energy source. It's going to be metabolized by the liver, so you're putting more work on the liver to metabolize it, and that takes energy, which I obviously you gotta have atp because it's going to donate a phosphate to phosphorolate the fructose to break it down. Then if you get too much, that's the issue is you're overloading the fructose the gluclose You know you're going to send it out. You're either going to bring it back, you're going to de de Novo Lipogenesis, you're going to turn it into fat, and that same thing with fructose. You're more likely to, and there are studies showing that you increase your fructose. You're gonna increase what we call the de Novo lipogenesis of creating triglycerides. You're creating fat, whereas the fat going to go that saturated fat Paul, medic acid, it's going to have to go out as Vldl, so you're going to increase your triglyceride load on your Vldl is going to send it out and say, hey, let's see if we can dump these triglycerides. If not, then that's going to break down to ldl and then you're going to have oxidation and you know, et Cetera.

Eric: 18:55 I won't go into that detail, but that's the issue is we're talking about fatty liver and those who are obese or have fatty liver should not have had her watch their fructose consumption because that's where it's going. It's going to the liver, the liver has to metabolize it, and so there it is. You know that non alcoholic fatty liver disease that I gave a whole podcast on. Okay, so we are increasing that de Novo lipogenesis of the keto too. It's going to interfere with our liver function, which fatty liver. Then that's going to increase our inflammation or insulin resistance in the liver, and obviously it's going to chronic illnesses, cardiovascular, excetera, diabetes, everything starts to snowball. That's some of the issue we have with too much fructose. Sugar. I mean, I'm, I'm, you know, the sucrose. Okay. Glucose. But right now we're just talking about fructose. So sure, if it's coming from fruit, that's going to be a little less. That's going to slow it down. But do you need any extra fruit fructose at all? Do you need any of it? I mean, and, and that's, and you and what's interesting is you talked about it. It's a, when you get down to fructose it is a definitely a, you know, we have dopamine, that's our neurotransmitter of the brain's reward center. That's, that's the, that's the pathway, just like alcohol, nicotine, cocaine, heroin, whatever. You start to trigger that dopamine hit and so now you've got a reward. It's pleasure now. Okay, so when you eat fruits, I mean, think about it. It's been known as, you know, you know, in the, for, for hibernation, for animals. It's Kinda like the marker for, Hey, it's time to get obese. It's time to store up for the winter. All right, so basically they go after it and obviously when you have that you just want to eat more, eat more. Okay. And so in. It's sad because big business in the food industry has of course there are very smart and they jumped all over this knowing that in, in, in people that eat fruit, you actually get a more of a hit on your dopamine. Then from regular glucose you get double to hit and so it really makes you, you know, hey, I, I've got my dopamine hit, I love this stuff. And also it doesn't decrease what we call the Ghrelin, the hunger hormone. You have Leptin, the satiating type hormone that let you know you're full and you also have grown and the stomach says, hey, that's your hunger hormone, but it does for fructose does nothing to squelch that. Glucose does eventually, but you don't lose that hunger hormone. So what happens? You get into a vicious cycle of saying, hey, this fruit is awesome. I'm getting that double hit on the dopamine and of course a advertisers and food industry know that, so they're going to play up on that and that becomes your drug. It can become. Some people don't. You know, everybody has different addictions. Some people don't get addicted to sugar, some people don't get addicted to fructose. But I know I'm really sugar addicted because I mean, it hits my dopamine. I mean a lot. I'm still, you know, I still like my maple bar donuts. I still get a hit from that and that's something that, that I've attached my medically that I get a rush from.

Eric: 22:19 But you know, they also say it raises your blood sugar, does not raise your blood sugar. Diabetes. They say diabetics can eat fruit, but you know, I never want a continuous glucose monitor. And I checked all that. So the yesterday I said, all right, I'm going to check it one more time. So I, I, I, I mean, I'm in Ketosis. I had six carbs already in the morning and I said, all right, I'm gonna. I'm gonna eat a pink lady. Apple and I ate as fast as I could and that's 20, 25 carbs, I think there's five or four in it. So maybe there's 20 carbs in it. Um, and I started out at 79 on my blood glucose, one point two on my ketones and I ate it really quick and testing my blood sugar every five minutes until it would turn around. peaked. So what happened? I went from 79, Chad to 116. That's almost when you look at us, almost a 50 percent increase in my blood sugar and that took 42 minutes to get there. Um, so, you know, they say, Oh, you know, diabetics can eat fruit, but I have a type one diabetic that's a biofilter. And I coach him. He wears the continuous glucose monitor and he's constantly getting hit by fruit. When he was eating fruit he had to insulin up. And so anyway, you know, I just wanted to test it, but it didn't, you know, I was under my carbs for the day and I was still in Ketosis. I went down to one point. Oh, so if, if you want that fruit and you metabolize it, well you don't have fatty liver. Um, I'm not going to say don't eat it. No, no. You can have you fruit. I have my blueberries and blueberries are lower on fructose. Okay. Um, but as far as sweetener, when you think about regular like lactose, you know, milk, sugars, they're the lowest on sweetness and you've got your galactose and honey. Honey is right with glucose, just a little below glucose. But what's the highest, almost double of a lot of them is fructose. Fructose is the highest on sweetener. So you're definitely going to get a good hit on your dopamine and your liver is going to take a big hit too.

Chad: 24:21 All right? So if it's all right, is there anything else negative that we need to know about fructose or, or the effects of fruit? And we'll talk about that for a second. And then if you don't mind, we'll take a quick break, talk about bioStak and then jump back in and talk about are there essential things we need from fruits? Are all fruits created equal and why are fruits pushed so much? So first let's, let's chat. I mean just one more thing. Is there anything else that we need to know about fructose and its negative effects?

Eric: 24:54 Yeah, just thinking about it. I'm an and I'm close to this one because I have some polymorphisms. Those mutations in this gene and when you get down to fructose, when it breaks down in the liver, all right. If you get too much of it. One of the biggest concerns about it, there's others metabolic syndrome and advanced glycation end products and things like that, but one of them that I'm concerned within other should be two is when it breaks down, it obviously goes, you know, it's got to break it down, you know, the keto molecule, but it ends up if you get too much of it ends up being converted down to uric acid. Okay. And why? Why is why we fear uric acid? Because on this type, you know, fructose breaking down to what is going to do it. A uric acid inhibits what we call the endothelium, nitric oxide synthase, which in this area, it's called the nos three. Okay. So why is nitric oxide so important to make in your individual cells? Because we're talking about the vassal dilation of blood vessels. Okay. And so why, why is this important to me? Because when I do genes are, I was honestly one of my check is the gene and see if there's a mutation. I personally have at a seven of them, five of them are heterozygous. So I definitely have a deficiency in, in producing this nitric oxide. Okay? So in fact, only five percent of the population has the mutation that I have. So that means I'm not going to be deficient in making nitric oxide. So what do I lose when you're, when you're losing a nitric oxide production? Obviously blood vessel dilation. Obviously immune system, cardio. I mean, uh, you've got neurotransmission Judah, because there's an nls one. There's different years nos too, but we're talking about ns three anti tumor blood blood pressure, obviously because member vassal dilation, w, you know, it's going to restrict.

Eric: 26:54 So we want the, the blood vessels to dilate him, uh, also the nos. A nitric oxide worked with blood clotting and platelets and different things. So basically you're going to, most people attach it to high blood pressure. Hypertension, okay? Because remember, you need nitric oxide to the, to dilate the blood vessels to keep them in. It also can be, you know, they'll stiff too. So you need an pliable, you, you, you need them workable. So that's an issue with too much fructose You're going to decrease your expression of the nitric oxide synthase. And some of us have mutations already, so we really don't want to add to it. And just a year ago, uh, Chad, I had to in my wife thinks I'm gross, but I, I gave up mouthwash, I will not use mouthwash and she thinks it's gross. So why don't I use mouthwash, which you could guess is the bacteria in your mouth, okay? Convert nitrates that you eat from vegetables and everything else converts it to nitric oxide. So what happens to mouthwash? They've done studies on this, that it kills the bacteria. So you lose that conversion from the nitrates to nitric oxide. I need all the nitric oxide that, that I can have. So obviously I eat the foods that they're going to give me the nitrates so I can make the conversion. So other than that, but no uric acid is, is an important issue when it comes to too much fructose. So

Chad: 28:21 yeah, I've always wanted one of those products that was just created to, to sell you another dental product.

Eric: 28:31 I know it's funny because you know, obviously arginine and citrulline and there's some precursors to help make nitric oxide and there's supplements that you can take that I don't worry about. I get enough for my, my, my cruciferous vegetables in my foods, but my wife always says I go look, Hey, I brushed my teeth. Okay. Isn't that good enough mouthwash user? And I tell her and sure you can use mouthwash to a smaller degree. I think the study said if you do two or more mouth washes a day, you know, then you reduce your nitrate conversion to nitric oxide. So maybe a little bit in the morning and I could probably do, but basically I don't take, don't take any chances.

Chad: 29:09 Well, let's talk really quick about bioStak if that's okay. Um, so I'm just gonna make this quick because we still have a bit of material to get through. We wanted to make sure we, we get a good, really good picture of this fruit stuff. So, um, just to make it really quick, if you haven't gone to biostak.com, do it, do it, do it. Five natural pure ingredients that are work together synergistically to give you to supplement any of the. I mean this is a stack. So this is not just a supplement, this is just, this is not just one supplement you're taking. Adding it to the pile of bottles you have in your kitchen. This is a stack. There's, there's five ingredients that you, Eric took three years to search out, find, see how they interact together. You had your own study group, which is pretty, pretty amazing. Um, the sample group where you, you tried different amounts and different ingredients along with yourself. Obviously you're a huge self tester, but I just want to make sure people understand this thing is tested and tried most of the stacks, most of, most of the supplements on the market have never even been really tested. I mean, as long as their natural ingredients, they don't really do a study groups or, or, or, um, test groups. They just take them to market and say that they do these great things. This has been tested, this has been tried and true. Um, and it's, um, you know, 100 percent organic and just this, just the good stuff that's going to help us supplement some of those things that we need when we're specifically in the ketogenic lifestyle. But even beyond that. Um, and anything else you want to add to that in a quick, quick way?

Eric: 30:54 You know, you made me think of something really quick, like you're saying that some of the reasons why people eat fruit and especially blueberries and is because the antioxidant in all that you're going to get from them. Alright. So obviously if you're not eating fruit, but you've got other vegetables and other antioxidants, I'm obviously this product is really beefing up your antioxidants and one thing that's really important, you know that I just thought of about fruit is when you eat sugar, I don't care if it's a sucrose, which is glucose and fructose are just freaked out. You're going to what we call have glycation and what that is I've I've talked about before, that advanced glycation end products, which means sugars, very sticky and it loves when you eat too much of it, like your, your, your glucose or fructose especially, it will actually get sticky. It actually sticks to the hemoglobin proteins. Obviously we know that, but other proteins it actually attaches to, it becomes glycated. And what that. What happens when it does that, it actually is going to produce more reactive oxygen species, which is more free radicals. You have oxidative stress, inflammation, aging chronic diseases. So when you do fructose when you're eating more fructose, it actually does this seven times more and faster then than glucose. So you, when you're done all that fructose, you really increasing your glycation. Okay. Which that binds to proteins, make some dysfunctional. That brings in those free radicals. So in, in this supplement, you're really countering those issues. So if you're, if you're given up fruit, don't worry if you've got a great backup, if you're still eating fruit, you, you're going to create more free radicals obviously, because you're going to have glycation. Now you have this stack to even countered that.

Chad: 32:36 Yeah, that's great. I'm glad you thought about that because that definitely one reason that we used to stock our fridge full of berries and other fruits was the antioxidants for sure.

Eric: 32:47 Yep. And I still eat blueberries. I mean, I, I love blueberries. I like and you know, even though remembering transportation of fruit, obviously most fruit is green, you know, apples and oranges or you know, that they're picked green and they ripen in transportation, they use chemicals and the sad part is they lose a lot of nutrient value. They really do. So you really don't know the nutrient value of the fruit that you're getting because of the chemicals, pesticides and everything else. So that's why it just got to be careful with the Fuji, the Fuji, pick organic even in all their nutritional value in organics to. So it's a lot of decisions out there to make. But, but go, go to biostak.com. You, especially if you haven't before, but even if you have go back there, check it out, read some of the details there, get a bottle for yourself, see how good you can feel. Again, that's biostak.com. Let's jump back in. So let's talk about are there's got to be some things in fruits that we need. Is there ways that we can get those things other than fruits or is it worth eating some fruits for those things you've, you've already mentioned antioxidants, you, you've mentioned fibers. Do we need to eat fruits for something specific?

Eric: 34:02 A No. Basically basically, uh, if the shortest answer you've ever given pitch, I just leave it there because you're in your meats and vegetables and other foods, your nuts and seeds. And what time about good fruit? I like good fruit. Okay. I like avocado and cucumber and tomato that those are good fruits. I mean obviously. Okay. But every, every mineral, every vitamin you know, and all your amino acids in your essential fats and things you can get from meats and vegetables. And I, I'm just saying that's a bigger bang for your buck. Sure. Fruit looks good. Fruit, you know, it just, it's what, you know, when I grew up and my parents gave us fruit, but I wasn't allowed to eat it any time. It was just, you know, we've got apples, you know, we'd get one every few days. But now I see people eat. I've had people just eat six bananas thinking. No, I'm telling the truth. He hit seven bananas every morning and I had to finally convinced him of fatty liver disease and what he was doing. But he was told and working out replacing the, the, the, the glucose that he was going to build muscles better and faster, etc. Is a better window. But no, no, I, I, I'm not, I don't want to come across like I'm, I'm anti fruit, but you know, there's dieticians and nutritionists that are still teaching this five to nine and if they get down to the science of it and get to the mitochondria, see what's taking place with these nutrients, then all of a sudden they're going to say, oh, really? why? Why are we eating all this fructose?

Chad: 35:37 Yeah. Are all fruits. Um, I, I know we've, we've Been lumping all fruits into this, this category in this conversation where they all created equal or are some better than others?

Eric: 35:47 No, they're not created equal because some wIll have more fructose than the others. Like apples will be like twice what bananas have as far as fructose. So there is different level of pears are high watermelons high as far as fructose. So there is some fruits that have lower, uh, the fructose ratio of house. Okay. So they're basically, you know, It's, it's sugar, it's fruit sugar, but just when you see the food industry say, oh, pure, pure cane sugar pure fruit sugar. I mean, it's just pure fructose I, it's amazing what they try to get by people by saying it's pure, uh, and, and It's healthy. Like, like agave. Remember dr oz. I mean he was all over agave and I was pouring agave on everything and now he has to say, oops, sorry, I was wrong. Agave is not good for you and reason being it's like 90 percent fructose. I mean you've really taken a hit in the liver, but you know what? Maybe your liver can metabolize it and move it, but most people I would, I would attend because remember when I talked about the liver, a nonalcoholic fatty liver disease, I talked about that pn, pla three gene and the pmt gene. These are genes that are going to process that out of your liver. And most people's. I said, ah, that 20. How did genetic mutations in these genes that would limit that vldl production of getting those triglycerides out? When you eat fructose, you are boosting up those triglycerides and most people have a genetic mutation in that area. That's why I'm, I'm kind of not a big fructose fan,

Chad: 37:28 so why Why is fruit become so popular? I mean it. We'll, we'll kind of end on this. I think it's important for us to always know why we're getting marketed. The things were getting marketed so that we can actually make an educated choice on our purchases and our consumption. Who benefits from pushing fruit?

Eric: 37:45 I mean remember, glucose Is something all our cells need. Okay? And especially red blood cells because they don't have mitochondria. They got it. They've got to have glucose and there's some other, you know, that need new glucose, but glucose, if, if you don't eat it, you're going to make it. It's that important gluconeogenesis. Fructose you do not need fructose whatsoever. You have everything you need. You don't need fructose. So basically they promoted as an, as it's also a very little energy source, but they promote it basically because of the, the healthy nutrients that they've convinced people that what they carry. Okay. And obviously they know that once you eat it, it's going to hit your dopamine receptors a lot harder than regular sugar on. They're going to know you're going to continue to eat it. Remember, when you eat fruit, does it fill you up? No, no. It doesn't touch your ghrelin hormone. You can just eat more and more and also makes you crave more because you're getting that dopamine hit. So basically, I hate to say it, the food industry has taken advantage of our brains basically by controlling their marketing and everything else to push us to get our pleasure reward system hit. And, and that's a pathway that we all have to deal with in, in any type of addiction. I don't care if it's behavior or food addiction. That's something even in artificial sweeteners, that's why I've talked about you and I've talked about is I feel bad because when I, when I eat these artificial annulled in keto, fat bombs and things, I'm still hitting my dopamine reward center and I'm not, you know, I don't have the cravings. And in most people the greatest things. When you go keto you don't have the cravings for fruit anymore, you don't have the cravings for sweets anymore, but you do still, you know, hit the dopamine and when you're doing your fat bombs in your artificial sweeteners, you still, you still tap into that pathway.

Chad: 39:39 Yeah. We're still tricking that response system.

Eric: 39:41 I know and I still, I still fall to it once in a while, you know, I mean, I enjoy it, you know, uh, some of it. But, but that now that's in a nutshell, I hate to say it's the processed food industry. You remember what 75, 70, 75 percent of all products in the stores have sugar in it so they know, they know what they're doing, they know how to keep people coming back for more. And it's sad because you see your kids, they, they get indoctrinated little on the commercials and everything else about, you know, how great sweet cereal is. All the syrup and everything else. Yeah, it's tough. It's tough. But you know, I, I do like my blueberries. And, and what fruit do you like? I mean, what you miss the most being in ketosis, have any fruit?

Chad: 40:30 Oh, the most is probably watermelon. Watermelon is one of my favorite to just, there's nothing like a slice of juicy watermelon on a hot summer day. I will say. However, I think watermelon seems to be getting less and less flavorful as they continue to go down that road of genetically engineering it and um, you know, taking the seedless stems and all of that kind of stuff. So it hasn't attempted me and as much in years, recent years because it just hasn't tasted the same. And does it ever fill you up when you eat watermelon? Oh no, no. I could eat a whole watermelon and then regret it.

Eric: 41:13 You know, it's neat. I mean, and it's sad because they, they've actually tested kids where they brought down their fructose and sucrose, glucose level completely in the, uh, there was a test that cut them out for like nine days. And it was amazing when, when they, they had to replace it with some starch, you know? But anyway, it brought down anything from their triglycerides or their insulin, their blood glucose in nine days in their clusters, everything improved. And remember the, you know, the scary part about, about what's going on out there is, you know, we've got one third of adults have fatty liver disease, one in 14 or now diabetic. I mean the list just goes on and on and on. So just remember, I think keto is, is a big culprit and metabolic syndrome which fatty liver disease, insulin resistance, you know, hypertension, triglycerides and everything else.

Eric: 42:07 So I just say be be wise on your consumption and your vigilant educated, know what you're eating. And that's what's good about keto if you too much, you get knocked out. so we have a safety valve which is really nice and people aren't eating sugar, you know, and keto like they like they used to. And I, I think it's, I think that's one of the greatest benefits because sugar, if you get down to a process, foods with sugar is the culprit of almost all chronic diseases when you get ready to it. All right?

Chad: 42:39 Absolutely. Well, thanks so much for about biohacking with us today. Well, I appreciate it and I want to thank all of you for joining us on this quest for optimal fitness. If you're ready to begin your own journey and live your life in ketosis, be sure to check out biofitcoaching.com or biofit coaching on instagram that handles @biofit_coaching. Also, if this podcast has helped you or entertain you abroad, any value to your life, please consider going to itunes or wherever you get your podcasts, leaving us a five star rating in a glowing review. And finally, the greatest compliment you could give us is recommending this podcast to your friends or family, those who needed the most, those who are looking for a different way of living. And until next time, stay keto.